Help with 7-pin

[Old Scratch]

I've been suffering from a new bowling plague the last few weeks - leaving lots of 7 pins (I'm a righty). Last night I had eight of them with three in a row at one point. This is new for me and I'm not sure how to adjust to carry a 7 pin, or, what is happening to cause it to stay standing. Some of these were due to light hits, but more often they're coming after a bone-jarringly solid hit. Those are the ones I don't understand. Normally I'd think I'm having a spot of bad luck, but I'm seeing too many of them. It's got to be the operator. Thoughts?

[excalibur]

I left several last night also and then didnt pick twp of them up, one of them was in the 10th costing me a 200 something game. I have no clue either why that was happening last night. :confused:

[Lonewolf300800]

two of the things i try when leaving the 7pin is either moving back to the right a little bit or staying where i'm at and slowing down the speed a little.

[mmcfarland300]

There are a few minor adjustments that you can make to battle this. Move left or right just slightly. Or slow it down a touch.

[VmsTopGun]

First things first, it's important to understand how you are leaving the seven so you can make the correct adjustment. Is the 4 going in front of or in back of the seven??

while the below is written to highlight the ten pin, watch the left side and see how the 2 and 4 react to the hit.

http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13433&f=21

here's a link to some slow motion video #3 leaves the seven. See if this article helps some

http://www.bowl.com/bowltv/highspeed.aspx

[Old Scratch]

First things first, it's important to understand how you are leaving the seven so you can make the correct adjustment. Is the 4 going in front of or in back of the seven??

while the below is written to highlight the ten pin, watch the left side and see how the 2 and 4 react to the hit.

http://www.bowl.com/articleView.aspx?i=13433&f=21

here's a link to some slow motion video #3 leaves the seven. See if this article helps some

http://www.bowl.com/bowltv/highspeed.aspx


Sorry if this is long. It helps me think...

I've looked at these and they are both interesting and informative. I just wish they'd have rolled the camera a little longer on some of them.

Video 3 leaves the 7, and a few of mine were like that. I know what happened in those cases. I'm more confused about what to when I'm leaving 7s on solid hits.

The most appropriate videos seem to be 1 and 4. I definitely wasn't sending the headpin to the left wall. In both 1 and 4 I'm seeing the ball hit the headpin twice. (Or maybe its the pin bouncing off the deck? Hard to tell.) There's the initial hit and then an almost immediate change of direction / fall of the headpin before it hits the 2. Maybe I'm seeing things, but that's what my eyes are telling me. You can see it on video 1 but its more pronounced on video 4.

On video 1, the flush hit, the headpin lays down and ultimately goes right of the 7. It hits the 2 which drives the 4 straight back and then the top of headpin hits the 4 changing its fall (laying it down) into the 7.

On video 4, the high hit, I'm seeing what I'd call a classic domino effect with the 1, 2, 4, and 7. The 7 actually is going down before the ball hits the 5. Here, the headpin goes straight into the 2, or maybe slighty in front of it. It doesn't lay down until the 7 is already taken care of.

Not sure what this tells me. Maybe what I'm getting is something similar without that second hit or bounce of the headpin off the deck. Then the headpin goes too high. ?... Dunno.

Sitting here I can't tell you what the 4 pin was doing the other night. I'll pay closer attention to it at league tonight.

[idlehourlegend]

Personally if I was leaving solid 7's on solid hits (high flush), I would move to a ball that was less flippy and had more of an arcing motion to it, meaning a ball that would keep the pins lower to the deck and would cause a better pocket hit. Most people would make a move on the lanes or something but me personally, if I had a good shot that was hitting the pocket well, I would try playing the same line just with a better ball choice.

[VmsTopGun]

I remember in a league game lately, I had a string going with my anger and left a single pin, cant recall if it was the seven or not. Shot looked great to me. A team mate said it came in flat. So I grabbed the ball cleaner and scrubbed away between my frames. Next shot is a strike. The entry angle started to lessen as the ball was picking up oil, dirt and any other assorted debris. My Anger is such a mop that it barely shows any oil rings even in the early frames of the first game so I never wipe it off, same with my NVD.

In the article it mentions that the ball should be on the 17.5 board ( given that I recall correctly ) perhaps a slight change in the line you're playing could be the difference.

I'm certain that you can make a well reasoned adjustment.
Hope you do well soon...

[Old Scratch]

Personally if I was leaving solid 7's on solid hits (high flush), I would move to a ball that was less flippy and had more of an arcing motion to it, meaning a ball that would keep the pins lower to the deck and would cause a better pocket hit. Most people would make a move on the lanes or something but me personally, if I had a good shot that was hitting the pocket well, I would try playing the same line just with a better ball choice.

I'll keep that in mind for next time, but I usually don't carry balls that are similar enough to throw on the same line. The other night I was using the Vibe and had the Doom and the Resurgence in the bag. It was dry and those two balls were hooking at my feet. The Vibe (polished) was the only thing I could get down the lane. It had plenty flip, like you suggest. Next time I'll have to be sure to pack the Thunderbolt for something more arcy.

[Old Scratch]

I remember in a league game lately, I had a string going with my anger and left a single pin, cant recall if it was the seven or not. Shot looked great to me. A team mate said it came in flat. So I grabbed the ball cleaner and scrubbed away between my frames. Next shot is a strike. The entry angle started to lessen as the ball was picking up oil, dirt and any other assorted debris. My Anger is such a mop that it barely shows any oil rings even in the early frames of the first game so I never wipe it off, same with my NVD.

In the article it mentions that the ball should be on the 17.5 board ( given that I recall correctly ) perhaps a slight change in the line you're playing could be the difference.

I'm certain that you can make a well reasoned adjustment.
Hope you do well soon...

Thanks! Me too. Maybe the trick is to bring it in a little higher. I was just trying to see if there was one of those easy "duh" answers to fix my 7pin-itis.

[Old Scratch]

There was plenty of oil last night so I rolled with the Cell. No 7s. :)

[Thepainscoming]

if it looked like you hit high-flush and you banged a 7 pin. move just a hair left. your coming in just a tad high.