Weak Sauce

[djbowl6]

I am a very avid bowler and can not get away from Hammer equipment. I purchased the sauce about 2 months ago. I would say by the time i had 30 games on it, it had completly died out. I kept it clean after every use and since have tried resurfacing, water treatment, and baking it. Nothing seems to work. Anyone have any ideas on anything else i can do? Also, i am a very high speed high rev player and am looking to purchase a ball for the upcoming nationals tournament in vegas...any suggestions?

[TraPStaR]

what do you mean it just completely stopped working?

[Jermarace Miller]

When you did the water bath and/or rejuvenator was the surface at 320? Have you done the hook again treatment? Try those one more time and see what it does. Now to your question on a new bowling ball what are you looking for? A replacement for the sauce, a skid/flip ball, something that has good length?

[djbowl6]

By completly died i mean i am shooting corner pins with it now. I have not tried the hook again treatment but when doing the water treatment i had it sanded down to 180. I am looking for a ball to throw at nationals so im looking for something that is going to roll early but not roll out or use all it's energy to make the turn.

[cobaltstg2]

if your willing to get away from hammer lane 1 makes a ball call the agent orange (one bad ball)... take a look at it see what you think.. i personally have one and love it

[Nicodemus]

I know what you mean when you say that your sauce "died out". It seems to me that my ball has done the same thing. I tried the baths, hook again treatments, and resurfacing the ball..... and its still not the same as when I bought it. The hot water baths did the best for my ball and its reaction to the lane. It seems to me that this ball soaks up a ton of oil, even after cleaning in properly after every use. I hope this doesnt happen to my hot sauce too...............

[Young300]

Put some polish on it. The lanes may not be able to accompany the aggressive cover of the Sauce, and since you are high rev you are making it burn up it's energy. Putting polish on it should help it retain some more energy better and kick out the corner pins.

[TraPStaR]

Put some polish on it. The lanes may not be able to accompany the aggressive cover of the Sauce, and since you are high rev you are making it burn up it's energy. Putting polish on it should help it retain some more energy better and kick out the corner pins.

thats my thoughts... i have nearly 60 games on my sauce and its getting stronger as i throw it...

[excalibur]

Absolutely agree with the polish, most bowling centers do not have enough oil for the sauce and it burns up early and wont have any energy left to get back, same thing happened to me, the ball is not dead. Polish it and then try again.

[BubbaRay]

Polish The Sauce. Make sure the cover is clean anf oil free. Do what you have to so all the oil is out of the ball. Then apply some polish to the ball. The Sause needs oil. It burns it's energy up before hitting the pins on most med oil conditions. The Suace being polished will store it's energy up for the back end. What you could also try is putting more surface on the ball also. Take it from 4000 abralon down to 1000 or 2000 abralon.

[djbowl6]

i have thrown it at 500 grit and it still does not hook. Polishing it does not help. We have 100 units of oil in the middle of the lane that is plenty of oil. Polishing also did not work but i guess i should be happy it lasted longer than my venom did.

[BubbaRay]

I can't believe that the Sauce is as dead as you say it is and nothing helps. 500 grit didn't make any difference? If that is the case I would start looking at the Lane condition and how much oil is out there.

The Sauce is not a big hard snap ball with the way ity rolls. The ball does hook alotbut remember this ball starts early. there is a product out there called CPR. Use the CPR in the Hot water Bath and it should bring it's movment back.

[djbowl6]

Thanks bubbaray i will give that a try. My house pattern is 41 feet and i play the whole lane with my total nv and it has very many games on it. I am thinking about getting the hot sauce...any info on it?

[idlehourlegend]

Thanks bubbaray i will give that a try. My house pattern is 41 feet and i play the whole lane with my total nv and it has very many games on it. I am thinking about getting the hot sauce...any info on it?

Some people like it some dont, I have seen 3 of them thrown and not really impressed, personally dont like how the Sauce line looks at all so not the person to go by, but after seeing them thrown by 3 different styles they just didnt react like I thought they would. All it is, is a pearl Sauce, goes longer and snaps harder.

[excalibur]

Idle is pretty much right on with it being a pearl sauce and I certainly wouldnt disagree with anything he says, but I might add the Hot Sauce is a skid flip ball the sauce isnt. Might be more what you are looking for.

[Young300]

dj, you may have 100 units of oil in the middle, but what is it like on the outside. Sounds something to me like you are going to have a 15:1 ratio house shot, so the outsides are gravel compared to the middle of the lane. I would work with a rejuvinator and a hook again kit and then at 4000, put polish on it. Balls just don't die. With your problem in leaving corner pins, the ball is losing the energy, so the ball isn't "dead". Try playing a tighter line with the Sauce if anything, keeping it in the oil in the middle. Stand on 35, play over 30-25 at the arrows and then look for your break point right around 15.

[ashley1_scott]

i guess i should be happy it lasted longer than my venom did.

What happened to your venom, and how long did it take to do that.

just to clear things up, you say you are very high speed bowler with high revs.
can you give us an idea what type of figures we are looking at here.

revs 450, 500, 550, 600,650,1000 ( ok that last one was a bit OTT)

[BubbaRay]

The Sauce Pearl is the flipiest ball Hammer has ever produced. Compared to the Sauce the Hot Sauce goes real long and has a tremendous hard flip on the back off the dry.

As for liking it , it is like any other ball on the market. Some people like it and some don't. There are many other brands of balls out there that resemble the Suce and Hot Sauce. When you have a soild version of a new ball these days , it is always followed up by a Pearl version of that ball. For instance, Black WIdow SOlid, Black Widow Pearl, Cell, Cell Pearl, Strret Rod, Street Rod pearl. Get the idea? Each solid and each pearl are desinged to react dsifferent'y compared to their solid counter part. And always remember this, One type of ball may work and fit into your game where the same ball doesn't fit fit into someone elses game and style.

Here is something else you might try and try this . You said you are a high sped and high rev player right, try slowing the ball speed down and instead of ripping the cover off the ball try staying behind it more and coming up the back of the ball instead of reving it up and see the difference in reaction.

[djbowl6]

i did not say im leaving corner pins with it i said im shooting corners with it aka a spare ball. i will post our house shot oil ratios as soon as i oil today.

[idlehourlegend]

Idle is pretty much right on with it being a pearl sauce and I certainly wouldnt disagree with anything he says, but I might add the Hot Sauce is a skid flip ball the sauce isnt. Might be more what you are looking for.

Pearl = skid/flip, its usually something that goes hand in hand so I didnt feel I needed to add it, good point though with something I missed.

[TraPStaR]

Thanks bubbaray i will give that a try. My house pattern is 41 feet and i play the whole lane with my total nv and it has very many games on it. I am thinking about getting the hot sauce...any info on it?

your playing the whole lane with the TNV? if thats the case then your sauce is more than likely burning up, not enough oil on the lanes to do much... 4000 + factory + extender and see if it comes to life on the lanes... i just do not believe that the ball is dead... if you think so, post a pic and tell me the span and drill and ill gladly scrape up the cash to buy it off ya...

[JohnN]

My Sauce has not lost any of its hitting power. I bought it last October and my average just keeps going up. I took it down to 1000 abralon and have left it there. I wipe the ball down during play and clean it after every set with clean and dull. I have given it one water bath. Current ave 207, last series 746.

[TenPinSniper]

I like to see the tapes, graphs of this pattern... along with some video.

While not "everyone" likes this ball (okay just idle...:D )JK

Its a pretty good ball. You can't expect every ball to work for youl with the "OOB" surface. If you have alot of revs I'd image you d want a grit on lower than say 1000 with this ball ona true flooded shot, on the typical house shot you'd probably want this at 2000 or 4000 and polished.

Honestly, both of the Sauce's are pretty strong and really only need to be used on specific conditions. IMO

Most of the time on typical conditions my Psycho, Acid or Bite are more than enough.

[djbowl6]

well i wont have to worry about the sauce anymore bc i just traded it for a brand new nvd and a slightly used raw hammer doom.

[Chicarpenter84]

These high end balls need to be taken care of after every use. And I would only use that ball for the conditions call for it. Alot of low rev players use the high end balls to get more hook. I never really like anything so far. Also remember when they come out with a new line of balls the 1st one not always the best.

[Rowdy]

i have thrown it at 500 grit and it still does not hook. Polishing it does not help. We have 100 units of oil in the middle of the lane that is plenty of oil. Polishing also did not work but i guess i should be happy it lasted longer than my venom did.

Uh oh. Anyone else seeing a pattern here??? A "dead" Venom too???

[idlehourlegend]

Uh oh. Anyone else seeing a pattern here??? A "dead" Venom too???

The words proper Ball Maintenence are popping up in my head Rowdy.

[uberamd]

The words proper Ball Maintenence are popping up in my head Rowdy.

Amen. I have thrown hundreds of games on my equipment over a year and nothing is 'dead' by any means. I played against a high-speed high-rev guy on Monday with the Venom, and on a broken down league shot (used for 3 games) his ball hooked like nothing else, just a total snap into the pocket, it was fun to watch. Then again, he was doing that all league too, and got a 300 with it that day.

Maybe the few times it was moving a ton the track you were throwing on the lane was bone dry, and now its not. I can throw my BWP out to the 2 board when they are dry and have it sling into the pocket, but 90% of the time the conditions aren't right for that, and I dont call my ball dead because of it.

I also clean all my bowling balls after every use. I mean come on, your sauce dies and your venom, all before my Bite which I have used heavily for over a year? I doubt that. Highly doubt that.

[Sabotage]

The words proper Ball Maintenence are popping up in my head Rowdy.

same here, my venom is reacting just fine. i have well over 100 games on mine from THS to the pba patterns. still works great

[TenPinSniper]

Yeah I have several balls that have been used alot this year...

Bite got about a year ago used alot in my PBA League. Along with my Psycho.

Still use the Psycho...

My Sauce and Acid still hook alot, as does my wife's Sauce. Jeez I could go on and on.

[NastyNate]

I had a BW solid when I first started bowling 3years ago and It died and I trully think I was lazy on my cleaning but I have changed all of that now I have a Blue vibe that has more games than the BW solid ever had on it and no loss of hook I would like to know if the cover stock of the Bw solid and Blue Vibe and Sauce all being diffrent if this makes a diffrence on the life of the ball? the USBC ball reviews in the lates mag. called out the sauce having a pearl reactive covestock and I assume the solids soak up more oil than the pearls or am i wrong.

[TraPStaR]

my venom is starting to loose its power again, so its getting a hook again and a full resurface in a couple weeks... 350 games, i think its done plenty for me over those games as well :)

here's a quick question, since im gonna need to replace the venom sometime soon (50-60 more games on it) would the HSP be a nice replacement so i can still get length with good backend??? (i use my venom in leagues and tourneys, so it needs to take place of both)

[Dave34]

I had a BW solid when I first started bowling 3years ago and It died and I trully think I was lazy on my cleaning but I have changed all of that now I have a Blue vibe that has more games than the BW solid ever had on it and no loss of hook I would like to know if the cover stock of the Bw solid and Blue Vibe and Sauce all being diffrent if this makes a diffrence on the life of the ball? the USBC ball reviews in the lates mag. called out the sauce having a pearl reactive covestock and I assume the solids soak up more oil than the pearls or am i wrong.

The Black Widow and Sauce coverstocks are more aggressive (and non-polished, not sure if you took the polish off your blue vibe or not) than the Vibe, so they will absorb oil at a faster rate, which is why they perform better on heavier oil than the vibe. This also makes them higher maintenance than the Vibe, so you have to have a good cleaning/oil removal regimen to keep them working as good as they did out of the box.

[idlehourlegend]

I had a BW solid when I first started bowling 3years ago and It died and I trully think I was lazy on my cleaning but I have changed all of that now I have a Blue vibe that has more games than the BW solid ever had on it and no loss of hook I would like to know if the cover stock of the Bw solid and Blue Vibe and Sauce all being diffrent if this makes a diffrence on the life of the ball? the USBC ball reviews in the lates mag. called out the sauce having a pearl reactive covestock and I assume the solids soak up more oil than the pearls or am i wrong.

The Sauce isnt pearl, its a solid. The Hot Sauce is the Pearl one. Balls with more agressive coverstocks or balls at lower grit, will soak up more oil that balls that are less agressive or are at a higher grit. This is because when you lower the grit of a ball, you open the pores on the coverstock of the ball more, therefore making it more suceptable(sp?) to soaking up oil. Which would be why none of my balls die and I dont have to clean them as often, I have all mine highly polished and I make sure to never let the polish wear off.

[NastyNate]

The Sauce isnt pearl, its a solid. The Hot Sauce is the Pearl one. Balls with more agressive coverstocks or balls at lower grit, will soak up more oil that balls that are less agressive or are at a higher grit. This is because when you lower the grit of a ball, you open the pores on the coverstock of the ball more, therefore making it more suceptable(sp?) to soaking up oil. Which would be why none of my balls die and I dont have to clean them as often, I have all mine highly polished and I make sure to never let the polish wear off.

I thought the Sauce was a solid, I was confused by the USBC Mag. review listing it as a Pearl. Ok one more dumb question homany games can you get out of a solid ball not polished and cleaned after every series?

[Sabotage]

I thought the Sauce was a solid, I was confused by the USBC Mag. review listing it as a Pearl. Ok one more dumb question homany games can you get out of a solid ball not polished and cleaned after every series?

sauce = solid

hot sauce = pearl

2 different balls

[idlehourlegend]

I thought the Sauce was a solid, I was confused by the USBC Mag. review listing it as a Pearl. Ok one more dumb question homany games can you get out of a solid ball not polished and cleaned after every series?

I wouldnt be able to answer that question, I usually use a ball for 90-100 games max and then get a new one. But I know Brett has had his TNV for like 700 games, and I have around 400 on mine, so I know that if you take care of the ball, get resurfacings when needed and run it through the hot water bath, oven or Hook again every once in a while. You should be fine.

[Dave34]

And with some solids they "die" and become predictable and you like that reaction enough to not want to de-oil it.

Like when I first got my Bash (even though it's not a huge oil sucker in the first place), it was way too flippy to use on light oil. Now after the however many games I've thrown with it (300+) it's mellowed out to the point where I can use it way right on a house shot and love the reaction.

[uberamd]

I wouldnt be able to answer that question, I usually use a ball for 90-100 games max and then get a new one. But I know Brett has had his TNV for like 700 games, and I have around 400 on mine, so I know that if you take care of the ball, get resurfacings when needed and run it through the hot water bath, oven or Hook again every once in a while. You should be fine.

You get new ones every 100 games? Man that seems frequent, thats almost 1 ball a league season, not counting practice. Throw practice in the mix, does a ball even last you 5 months?

[TraPStaR]

You get new ones every 100 games? Man that seems frequent, thats almost 1 ball a league season, not counting practice. Throw practice in the mix, does a ball even last you 5 months?

i have 11 balls now... i guess i do that same thing but over the spread of my arsenal... and when i like a new ball and got the cash i buy it... if i dont got the cash then i just say, not like i need it anyways.

[idlehourlegend]

You get new ones every 100 games? Man that seems frequent, thats almost 1 ball a league season, not counting practice. Throw practice in the mix, does a ball even last you 5 months?

1 a league season? thats nothing, I've thrown 8 different ones this season. And 4, about to be 5 since christmas. Keeps the game interesting, when I get bored of throwing something I get rid of it. But people buy a TON more balls that I do, just ask Crusher :).

[nite_owl_28]

never bake a ball, they have done tests with baking new balls and it "sweated" out stuff on brand new balls! You can set your ball about 6 inches away from a small electric heater set on low for a few minutes and it will sweat out alot of oil that has soaked into your ball. Just make sure your ball doesn't get so hot that you can't touch it.

It is very important to clean your ball after every time out with a good cleaner like "powerhouse". Get an everyday cleaner and also a more agressive cleaner to use every few weeks.

If you use scotch brite you are changing the cover of your ball so be carefull and make sure it's really what you want to do.

[nite_owl_28]

I just bought the sauce last Saturday and rolled a 278 on Sunday.

My first 5 games after getting it drilled

194
194
211
248
232


I also throw a Doom most of the time on league and will use the sauce on nights when the oil is really heavy.

Still have my Big Block Diesel that actually has more hook than the sauce.

[idlehourlegend]

never bake a ball, they have done tests with baking new balls and it "sweated" out stuff on brand new balls! You can set your ball about 6 inches away from a small electric heater set on low for a few minutes and it will sweat out alot of oil that has soaked into your ball. Just make sure your ball doesn't get so hot that you can't touch it.

It is very important to clean your ball after every time out with a good cleaner like "powerhouse". Get an everyday cleaner and also a more agressive cleaner to use every few weeks.

If you use scotch brite you are changing the cover of your ball so be carefull and make sure it's really what you want to do.

There are ovens specifically made for the fact of baking bowling balls, lots of pro shops have them and a lot of people have said they work great, I know guys on here have used them a lot too.

[NastyNate]

If you use scotch brite you are changing the cover of your ball so be carefull and make sure it's really what you want to do.

Is is bad to use scotch brite?

[djbowl6]

Idle, maybe you didnt see where i said i cleaned my sauce after every use. I use powerhouse cleaner and clean all my equipment after every use. Believe me i get all the games out of my equipment that i can and i would not say something was dead unless it is. I threw my toxic for probably 500 games and id say my tnv is getting close to that. Seems to me that Hammers high end equipment soaks up much more oil than there mid range and also more than any other manufacturers. I have had the Black Widow solid, No Mercy, No Mercy Beat'n, and the Black Widow Venom. Non have lasted as long as any of my ebonite high end equipment.

[idlehourlegend]

Idle, maybe you didnt see where i said i cleaned my sauce after every use. I use powerhouse cleaner and clean all my equipment after every use. Believe me i get all the games out of my equipment that i can and i would not say something was dead unless it is. I threw my toxic for probably 500 games and id say my tnv is getting close to that. Seems to me that Hammers high end equipment soaks up much more oil than there mid range and also more than any other manufacturers. I have had the Black Widow solid, No Mercy, No Mercy Beat'n, and the Black Widow Venom. Non have lasted as long as any of my ebonite high end equipment.

Powerhouse and cleaning does hardly nothing, all it does it get the oil out of the top layer of the ball, it doesnt get the deep down stuff out, only hot water baths, ball ovens, hook again etc. can do that. Actually the TNV had a very absorbant cover and that was what made the ball what it was at the time (easy to tell with the name Traxion Reactive), mines the same way, have a ton of games on it. Dont know what to tell you about the Hammer stuff, not the biggest fan myself so not going to defend it. But the Widows and NM's depended a lot on high maitenence of the balls, if that didnt happen, they didnt work well.

[Jermarace Miller]

Idle, maybe you didnt see where i said i cleaned my sauce after every use. I use powerhouse cleaner and clean all my equipment after every use. Believe me i get all the games out of my equipment that i can and i would not say something was dead unless it is. I threw my toxic for probably 500 games and id say my tnv is getting close to that. Seems to me that Hammers high end equipment soaks up much more oil than there mid range and also more than any other manufacturers. I have had the Black Widow solid, No Mercy, No Mercy Beat'n, and the Black Widow Venom. Non have lasted as long as any of my ebonite high end equipment.

The Widow and the No Mercy series require a high demand cleaning regiment. Meaning if you give your normal ball lets say your TNV a bath every 60 games I figured out that Hammer high end equipment needs that type of cleaning half that time. I thought the same thing when my Black Widow Bite was not reacting like it was in the beginning. Come to find out it has too much oil in side of the coverstock so it needed much much hot water time and it coming back to life.

The Sauce is a ball that is very fickle to what type of surface and lane conditions it played on. The Sauces that I seen being bowled with are usually 2000+polish since it burns like crazy this problem was the same with the Black Widow Pearl. When people bought it they changed the surface immediately after bowling with it a couple of times in league, practice, tournaments etc etc etc.

To end this just cleaning the outside isnt going to cut it with any brand ball no matter what you use or how much you use it. Also just one time in the rejuvenator, hook agian, and or hot water bath is not going to cut it. You already gave away your sauce so you cannot try the suggestions that have been given to you but this is something to think on your next ball.

P.S. The Storm ball I have in my sig the Big Hit, its been with me for about most of my bowing life (10 yrs) and its still going strong. So a ball cannot "die" I prefer the term its getting weaker and need some working out.

[TraPStaR]

i would not say something was dead unless it is.

well im gonna say your wrong... just not possible, im guessing its how your throw, lanes and coverstock maintenance... its burning up... its not dead.

[BubbaRay]

It doesn't matter whether it is Hammer / Ebonite/ Storm/ Columbia / or any other manufacturer, balls, like most other equipment, require occasional maintenance and/or adjustments to maintain their maximum performance. Also, like most other sports equipment, your skill level, your expectations for the ball’s performance, and the technical quality of your equipment directly affect the amount of maintenance required.

Let me break this down for everyone. I know alot of members here know this but for those who don't here goes as best I can.

We always hear people saying, “My ball is dead , won't hook any more. What’s wrong?” There are several possible options that need to be considered:
(1) Have you maintained your equipment in a manner that allows it to perform?
(2) Does your bowling ball still fit properly?
(3) Has the bowling center changed its lane conditioning procedures?

If you have questions about your equipment, drop by your pro shop and let your ball expert help.

A ball’s surface is one of the key factors in determining how that ball will react with the lane surface. Dirt, lane conditioner build-up, and nicks/scratches on the ball surface will affect a ball’s performance.

Everyone should use an approved ball cleaner to wipe the dirt and conditioner build-up off the surface of their ball. There are numerous USBC-approved products that can be used for this purpose.

If you are using a high performance ball with an aggressive cover, it may require additional maintenance to preserve its performance characteristics.
Reactive-resin balls are designed to grip the lane surface, creating the potential for the ball to hook. Since ball surface is one of the key factors that determines whether a ball will hook and at what point on the lane it will hook, it’s important to maintain the ball surface if you expect your ball to perform.

Generally, a ball with a dull surface will hook earlier than the same ball with a polished surface. To help maintain this dull or polished surface, you may benefit from using a more advanced cleaner.

Now the next part is key
Regardless of how well you hand-clean any type of ball, an occasional cleaning/polishing by your pro shop operator, using a high speed ball spinner and a cleaning procedure, will enhance the cleaning/polishing process. A ball spinner allows your pro shop operator to fine-tune the ball surface using more complex polishing/sanding agents that are not effective when applied by hand.
Unless the balls lose their shape (this occurs when balls are exposed to extreme heat or cold) or become so gouged up that they can no longer be resurfaced or repaired, they will still work, but you will see diminished performance.

It doesn't matter what manufacturer either.

[Dilktuff]

I just purchased the sauce and will be getting it drilled tomorrow. Right now I use powerhouse energizer foaming ball cleaner and Ultimate Ultra Clean ball cleaner. I find between the two my equipment cleans up pretty good. Before I even take it outta the box, do you think I should use any different cleaning product on my sauce?

[Sabotage]

how are your lanes? if your lanes are drier youre gonna want to polish the sauce so it doesnt burn up and lose its energy

[Dilktuff]

I got the sauce for strictly heavy oil tournament conditions. Knowing that every time I use it there is gonna be a ton aof oil out there, I wanna make sure i'm using the optimal claning product for that ball.

[Lonewolf300800]

currently, i use ebonites "clean n dull" for all my dull surfaced bowling balls, including both of my Sauces.

[mmcfarland300]

Clean N Dull works well as does Valentino's Remedy Rx

[southpaw14]

The energizer cleaner will leave a film on your ball after cleaning so it doesn't work well for dull balls. You would be better off with either the clean n dull or the power wash.

[excalibur]

Heavy Oil last night for a change, I finally got to pull the sauce out of the bag again. Stood on 20 rolled it over 9-10 came back strong all night only had to move a few boards in all night. First time I have been able to use the Sauce all three games. This ball hits a ton, I can assure you your Sauce hasnt lost power, hook went dead or whatever you want to call it. You just have to experiment with cover changes and make sure there is plenty of Oil. This ball isnt much good without a lot of oil, but on the nights or tournaments you do have it you cant beat it.

[TraPStaR]

The energizer cleaner will leave a film on your ball after cleaning so it doesn't work well for dull balls. You would be better off with either the clean n dull or the power wash.

i never have a problem with the energizer... never got the film on it at all... are you guys shaking it before each use???

[BubbaRay]

i never have a problem with the energizer... never got the film on it at all... are you guys shaking it before each use???

TrapStaR, I have used the energizer cleaner and yes I shake my clkeaner bottles before each use. The energizer leaves a film, not the type you could see byt the type you couold feel on the surface after use. Try the Regular Power House Ball Cleaner and you will feel the difference of the surface . Iuse this and Power Wash exclussively now.

[TraPStaR]

TrapStaR, I have used the energizer cleaner and yes I shake my clkeaner bottles before each use. The energizer leaves a film, not the type you could see byt the type you couold feel on the surface after use. Try the Regular Power House Ball Cleaner and you will feel the difference of the surface . Iuse this and Power Wash exclussively now.

see i use all 3 cleaners, i cant feel a difference on any ball with any of my powerhouse cleaners... maybe im lucky... lol

[Dilktuff]

Thanks for mentioning the clean n dull. Through my first 6 games with the sauce yesterday. Not much oil. But I could definitely feel the difference between the energizer and the clean n dull. Appreciate the advice