Carrydown?

[Fastcar]

so I go in to bowl league this morning...I bowl youth and there are plastic balls being thrown, so we often get carrydown alot..

so first game I go front 4, stone 9, double and then carrydown hit...ended up 236 and down hill from there...switched to a earlier rolling ball but no luck..over under reaction, sometimes it made the turn, sometimes it turned to soft and ended up leaving 10's 7's, a 7-10 and even a 2-10...make the adustment to have it finish more flush and it overeacts and leaving like the 4, 9 or 4-9....

So I just wanted to get some of ya'lls opinions on how you tend to deal with carrydown

thanks

[idlehourlegend]

Get a ball that saves its energy for the backend and has a good backend pop, something like a Cell Pearl or something in that direction. Throwing an early rolling ball is a bad idea with carrydown, carrydown usually also means dry heads, thus the early rolling ball starts rolling early and uses all its energy up by the time it hits the carrydown, therefore having no drive through the pins or hook on the backend. Like I said, get something that gets clean through the heads and packs a punch on the backend, will get through that carrydown just fine. Another option would be a ball that has a good midlane but still has very good continuation and power on the backend, something like a Dimension, Second Dimension or Rogue Cell would be good examples of this.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

Get a ball that saves its energy for the backend and has a good backend pop, something like a Cell Pearl or something in that direction. Throwing an early rolling ball is a bad idea with carrydown, carrydown usually also means dry heads, thus the early rolling ball starts rolling early and uses all its energy up by the time it hits the carrydown, therefore having no drive through the pins or hook on the backend. Like I said, get something that gets clean through the heads and packs a punch on the backend, will get through that carrydown just fine. Another option would be a ball that has a good midlane but still has very good continuation and power on the backend, something like a Dimension, Second Dimension or Rogue Cell would be good examples of this.

ok, i had same situation today, I have a cell pearl though. My Virtual Gravity was burning up super fast cuz when I walked in this morning, a 7 year old bowling with a plastic was on one of the 2 lanes. They were dry and then carried down, so I used my Cell Pearl on the Carry down and then my psycho on the better midlane lane. They were too dry to even try the Virtual. bowled my first 600 sanctioned series. I love the Cell Pearl. It snaps really nicely.

[uberamd]

ok, i had same situation today, I have a cell pearl though. My Virtual Gravity was burning up super fast cuz when I walked in this morning, a 7 year old bowling with a plastic was on one of the 2 lanes. They were dry and then carried down, so I used my Cell Pearl on the Carry down and then my psycho on the better midlane lane. They were too dry to even try the Virtual. bowled my first 600 sanctioned series. I love the Cell Pearl. It snaps really nicely.
Do they not apply fresh oil before your league? For my league they oil freshly and nobody touches them until league. I would be annoyed and probably find a different league if they didn't have us playing on fresh clean shots.

[Thepainscoming]

for my style being low rev unlike idle i cant use large snapping stuff on carrydown. im a fan of particle pearls because not only does that help get through carrydown, it helps tame over under also.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

Do they not apply fresh oil before your league? For my league they oil freshly and nobody touches them until league. I would be annoyed and probably find a different league if they didn't have us playing on fresh clean shots.

They oil sometimes, but today they werent fresh and add on carrydown from this kid using a plastic on our lane, means that they were really messed up. I havent used my virtual since the week before I got the Cell Pearl, but i got it cuz of the terrible patterns and conditions we bowl on. For summer im gonna bowl a league at the same place and a league at another local alley.

[uberamd]

They oil sometimes, but today they werent fresh and add on carrydown from this kid using a plastic on our lane, means that they were really messed up. I havent used my virtual since the week before I got the Cell Pearl, but i got it cuz of the terrible patterns and conditions we bowl on. For summer im gonna bowl a league at the same place and a league at another local alley.

Thats very strange, every house I have gone to that has sanctioned leagues oils before league, and leaves the lanes untouched before league starts. If I ever go practice during a week day and the place has league, there is usually only 8-10 lanes open, the rest are just going unused until league starts. And, in my opinion, thats how it should be.

Maybe you should see if there are any leagues in the area that do this. I would hate to have to deal with that, especially if it meant I couldn't use my virtual gravity. It would be like having a league during open bowling. Not what I am paying for.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

Thats very strange, every house I have gone to that has sanctioned leagues oils before league, and leaves the lanes untouched before league starts. If I ever go practice during a week day and the place has league, there is usually only 8-10 lanes open, the rest are just going unused until league starts. And, in my opinion, thats how it should be.

Maybe you should see if there are any leagues in the area that do this. I would hate to have to deal with that, especially if it meant I couldn't use my virtual gravity. It would be like having a league during open bowling. Not what I am paying for.

well, i know that I bowl there somedays and they are fresh, others they might just spray some.. the house is 20 lanes and is a more party oriented place. It is a very poorly taken care of place and the mechanics are so dumb its funny. The other day for example, I say," Mom, go ask the mechanic for some slide powder" because i almost hurt my knee trying to force a slide. I can never slide well here and yeah, so anyways. comes back without it in 10 minutes and says," the mechanic told me that you should use your rosin sack and put it on your shoes." Whats funny is even my mom is like what?! Rosin is for making stuff stick better, not slide. Thats what easy slide is for. Then she adds, "he said that you would slip and fall and hurt yourself if you used the slide powder." Im like serious?!? I have a 180+ average the last 2 months and I slide great, so u tell me that ill slip and fall? wow. Im just like, no wonder the approaches are so sticky and hard to slide on, he puts rosin on them! :mad:

[idlehourlegend]

The places are trying to have people on the lanes so that they can make money with open bowling for league, and you really cant blame them for that, as a league bowler yea its not the greatest thing in the world. But having the exact same condition every week is too boring and easy, so honestly having the harder conditions will make you a better bowler, helping you read how the lanes are different and where you should play. If you cant use one ball you have to be just as comfortable throwing your other ones and being able to adjust with them, thats bowling.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

The places are trying to have people on the lanes so that they can make money with open bowling for league, and you really cant blame them for that, as a league bowler yea its not the greatest thing in the world. But having the exact same condition every week is too boring and easy, so honestly having the harder conditions will make you a better bowler, helping you read how the lanes are different and where you should play. If you cant use one ball you have to be just as comfortable throwing your other ones and being able to adjust with them, thats bowling.

thats why im proud of my solid 175+ average in a house that doesnt always consistently oil them and has open bowling before league. every day is different and a new challenge. but the fact they told me rosin would help slide and that the lanes never slide, might be a clue to why they dont slide and why their mechanics are stupid.

[thegoldenchild]

Rosin on sweaty palms will make them "sticky" but I'm thinking rosin on dry soles and wood flooring would make your shoe slide at least a little more.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

Rosin on sweaty palms will make them "sticky" but I'm thinking rosin on dry soles and wood flooring would make your shoe slide at least a little more.

synthetic lanes, and the floors are really dirty, because the bottom of my shoes are black from this place and they are half a month old. Its pathetic, trust me it doesnt help, i tried it on my old pair so if it didnt work, i didnt screw up my new shoes. Didnt slide a half a foot.. my dad works there, and tey are very poorly managed. He is a counter guy though, not a mechanic.

[uberamd]

The places are trying to have people on the lanes so that they can make money with open bowling for league, and you really cant blame them for that, as a league bowler yea its not the greatest thing in the world. But having the exact same condition every week is too boring and easy, so honestly having the harder conditions will make you a better bowler, helping you read how the lanes are different and where you should play. If you cant use one ball you have to be just as comfortable throwing your other ones and being able to adjust with them, thats bowling.
My league mixes up patterns every week. A line that worked last week won't work this week. It's never the same, it's never boring and it makes me better. But, if I wanted to play on open bowling conditions I would go during open bowling. I do great during open bowling. The last 2 open bowling outings I have put up multiple games in the 240-260 range. In league I average way lower, it's much harder for me anyway to bowl on a fresh league shot then open bowling conditions. And my friends are the same way posing much higher open bowling scores than league scores.

[idlehourlegend]

My league mixes up patterns every week. A line that worked last week won't work this week. It's never the same, it's never boring and it makes me better. But, if I wanted to play on open bowling conditions I would go during open bowling. I do great during open bowling. The last 2 open bowling outings I have put up multiple games in the 240-260 range. In league I average way lower, it's much harder for me anyway to bowl on a fresh league shot then open bowling conditions. And my friends are the same way posing much higher open bowling scores than league scores.

I personally doubt its the conditions, you and your friends most likely relax and have more fun in practice, but once the lights turn on for league you try to make everything perfect, hence over thinking and tensing up, which in turn causes worse scoring.

[mongoliantreesloth]

So I just wanted to get some of ya'lls opinions on how you tend to deal with carrydown
Bring out my Track Crash.

[Waveb67]

In 25 years of bowling I've never seen a 7 year old that can create carry down with plastic. I do definitely notice a difference in my scores when I start thinking negatively though; I.e. Last night's 569.

On a different note when I start getting caught up in over/under reactions I usually have the best luck switching to a light hook and/or extremely long ball; and move my line way inside. Imo when the lanes get inconsistent the less the ball moves the less chance for inconsistancy.

[mongoliantreesloth]

In 25 years of bowling I've never seen a 7 year old that can create carry down with plastic
Think of it as a bicycle tire going through a puddle. Bit by bit the damp patch will be extended beyond the original confines of the puddle. Same principle applies with lane oil and plastic balls.

[uberamd]

I personally doubt its the conditions, you and your friends most likely relax and have more fun in practice, but once the lights turn on for league you try to make everything perfect, hence over thinking and tensing up, which in turn causes worse scoring.

Trust me, it is the conditions. I don't get nervous in league, its no different than any other bowling outing. However during open bowling the outside boards are usually very dry so you can swing them to the 5 board and it will snap back into the pocket. The lane in general is more dry, so I can work more lines, and when I miss the ball usually finds its way into the pocket. The conditions make me do way better. However in league, usually the outside boards aren't dry, so I have a hard time finding the right line that gets me to the pocket (lower rev player). Its not that I do bad in league, because I don't, I can post 600 series, 200 games, etc. But the idea behind league is that the oil patterns add a dimension of difficulty to the game, and thats exactly what it does.

One of my friend for example has a lot of revs and speed, during open bowling he has posted many scores in the 260-290 range, but not in league. Just boils down to the fact that myself (and my friends) feel open bowling is easy.

Heck, I have more fun in league than I do in open bowling. Me and my team are always joking about things and laughing, being tense is the opposite of what goes on. But hey, thats just me, everyone is different.

And if open bowling is no different than league, why is it people average lower in PBA experience leagues than in open bowling or normal league? Just nerves? I highly doubt that.

[idlehourlegend]

Trust me, it is the conditions. I don't get nervous in league, its no different than any other bowling outing. However during open bowling the outside boards are usually very dry so you can swing them to the 5 board and it will snap back into the pocket. The lane in general is more dry, so I can work more lines, and when I miss the ball usually finds its way into the pocket. The conditions make me do way better. However in league, usually the outside boards aren't dry, so I have a hard time finding the right line that gets me to the pocket (lower rev player). Its not that I do bad in league, because I don't, I can post 600 series, 200 games, etc. But the idea behind league is that the oil patterns add a dimension of difficulty to the game, and thats exactly what it does.

One of my friend for example has a lot of revs and speed, during open bowling he has posted many scores in the 260-290 range, but not in league. Just boils down to the fact that myself (and my friends) feel open bowling is easy.

Heck, I have more fun in league than I do in open bowling. Me and my team are always joking about things and laughing, being tense is the opposite of what goes on. But hey, thats just me, everyone is different.

And if open bowling is no different than league, why is it people average lower in PBA experience leagues than in open bowling or normal league? Just nerves? I highly doubt that.

Ok the whole thing makes sense except the last part, thats just an assinine comment in bowling terms, PBA expierience leagues are more difficult than any house shot, I dont care where you go THS's are not that difficult, if theres oil inside/dry outside its easy, miss in it holds, miss out it comes back. PBA expierience leagues are a totally different animal, are they as difficult as everyone makes them out to be? No, there really not and yes nerves play a role in it and people over thinking the pattern has a lot to do with it too
because they look at it like its the hardest thing ever. Confidence is a big thing, just like your friends looking at open bowling like its easy, bet if they looked at league that way they would do better. JMO but have seen it a ton.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

In 25 years of bowling I've never seen a 7 year old that can create carry down with plastic. I do definitely notice a difference in my scores when I start thinking negatively though; I.e. Last night's 569.

On a different note when I start getting caught up in over/under reactions I usually have the best luck switching to a light hook and/or extremely long ball; and move my line way inside. Imo when the lanes get inconsistent the less the ball moves the less chance for inconsistancy.

what does age have to do with it? he bowled 3 games and threw it with one hand at maybe 13 mph and has some sideways spin on the ball. Yes he just chucked it, but any type of throw with a plastic ball on already day oild oil will definitely have an effect. I didnt mind though, i just took out the carrydown beast (my new Cell Pearl) and went for a 609 series where i have a 175 average. I wasn't complaining that I had carrydown because I dont mind that, but the fact that they let people bowl on our league lanes and that they never take care of them aggrivates me.

[TenPinSniper]

My local alley has practice session with the coaches before each league on a pair or two. First session gets fresh, second session gets left overs.

As for other league once they oil lanes, they only allow league bowler to use they lane generally. (No Open Bowling.)

They have to make money, can't blame for not wanting to make money on the lane, up until the last 15 minutes before leagues starts.

[uberamd]

My local alley has practice session with the coaches before each league on a pair or two. First session gets fresh, second session gets left overs.

As for other league once they oil lanes, they only allow league bowler to use they lane generally. (No Open Bowling.)

They have to make money, can't blame for not wanting to make money on the lane, up until the last 15 minutes before leagues starts.

It is understandable that they want to earn $ on the lanes, but its very interesting to hear that places allow them to be used. The 3 places I frequent are the opposite, they oil, and not even league bowlers can touch them until league starts. Complete off limits zone. And they even have a pair or two that are oiled but cannot be used just incase something happens mechanically and they need to move. Its not uncommon to go to the places I play, and see ~16 lanes empty for a good 45 minutes to an hour until the league people come in.

[Sabotage]

makes it more challenging! i like it, let em bowl and tear the house shot up. im all for it

[TenPinSniper]

It gets down to the economics, they have the expense of everything.. even if they only allow league bowlers on the lanes at a reduced rate then they are making a few bucks to pay saleries and such.

My local alley is still paying a fuel surcharge on their trash pick-up, gas locally is around $1.67 as of today, we peaked last summer just over $4. This is a bunch of crap that they still have to pay extra for fuel. Even if it was pro-rated or based off a percentage of the average cost of fuel for a month or one week of the month.. it would be providing relief to every business.

Maybe league that have issue should ask for a rule stating only member of either team are allowed to bowl on their assigned lane before leagues starts, after the lanes have been conditioned. If you have a issue. Buy I would recommend that you make to practice atleast once a month before league to say thanks.