question to idle (and other 2 handers)

[TraPStaR]

how do you drill your balls???

i was at practice last night and thought why not... lol actually to my surprise i was extremely accurate to where i was throwing, but the problem is i would get to the break point and man would it snap left... brookies all night doing that... i wasnt using my thumb either (not sure if you need to or not???:confused:)

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[Street Racer]

you would drill it like a normal ball,

just put the pin to pap more then normal more then 6+ inchs..

[TenPinSniper]

If you are going to make the conversion you need to decide whether or not your gonna use your thumb or not. Some use the thumb while others don't. Sure Idle or someone else could tell who does and does not.

Then you can figure out ball layout for this release, as it will probably change your PAP, Rev Rate and Ball Speed.

[BubbaRay]

I am not a 2 handed bowler but using 2 hands does increase your rev rate quite a bit and you generate more speed an power also. A couple of things always concerned me about using a thumb or not. I also see alot of 1 handed olwers not using a thumb but that's another ball game.

Since I have a little experience with using 2 hands I will try and help anyways, but please remember these are my opinions. Now that you are trying using two hands your swing is probably much shorter then before. This may cause you early timing problems . If it is work on this next time you go and practice. Using two hands you may want to open the lane up more. Open your shoulders to your target will help you hit your mark consistantly.

Not using the thumb always bothers me. I see so many not using their thumb and when they hold the ball their thumb is no where near the thumb hole. Their thumb is more morgth or left of the hole depending if they are right handed ot left. Consider this. When not using a thumb and your thumb is no where near your thumb hole, that thumb hole may become a weight hole now. Since the thumb hole is not anyways near the position upon release as it would be if your thumb is in the ball. Just something else to think about not using a thumb.

[TraPStaR]

just so everyone knows, im just toying with the 2 hand release, in no way would i ever convert to it in competition, i just got a little bored in practice and thought about jason bellmonte (sp) and said why not see what the fuss is about... the only 2 hander i could think of to ask was idle... lol

[idlehourlegend]

Ok, to first answer the original question about ball drillings, I basically can throw anything a normal 1 handed bowler can, my driller bases my drillings off my PAP and most of them are normal drillings, something simple like 5x3 or 4x4.

The first big thing about bowling 2 handed is knowing how to control all of your new speed and revs, your going to want to try different hand positions with the hand thats in the holes, having 1 hand position as your normal one, one hand position as a dryer lane position and one for when there is more oil, for when your first starting to learn, I would throw a spare ball at everything right of the headpin.

Secondly your going to have to revamp your approach, your going to want to stand farther left than normal for targeting, like saying if you usually stand on 28 to hit 3rd arrow, well throwing 2 handed your going to want to stand on around 31-33 to hit third arrow, depending on how comfortable you are. The reason for this is because you have to give yourself more room to clear your hips with the ball, so your naturally going to need more approach room.

The big thing is clearing your hips with the ball, so that you have a normal backswing, its not going to be as high as normal, its going to be a shorter backswing but it will generate as much, if not more speed that normal and a lot more revs, learning to control these revs are the big thing, you have to know when to use them and when to be versatile and take hand out of the ball to be able to play a normal line even when the lanes dry up. It will take a while to understand everything, because your top hand can help you adjust length and tilt also, but thats more advanced and wouldnt worry about that quite yet.

As for thumb in or thumb out, thats more of a personal feel issue, some of us put it in, some of us dont put it in. Belmo, Osku, and Chas all have there thumbs out, while myself, and Cassidy have our thumbs in. I feel with my thumb in, I am MUCH more accurate and I can control my rev rate, tilt and accuracy a lot better with my thumb in the ball.

Go on youtube, search for Jason Belmonte, Osku Palermaa, Cassidy Schaub.

Also here is 2 of my videos, will try and get more videos this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzvSUN9yPY&feature=channel_page

[Street Racer]

i dont know if it is for you... but the first related video is mine haha:D :D

[sawmaster]

Ok, to first answer the original question about ball drillings, I basically can throw anything a normal 1 handed bowler can, my driller bases my drillings off my PAP and most of them are normal drillings, something simple like 5x3 or 4x4.

The first big thing about bowling 2 handed is knowing how to control all of your new speed and revs, your going to want to try different hand positions with the hand thats in the holes, having 1 hand position as your normal one, one hand position as a dryer lane position and one for when there is more oil, for when your first starting to learn, I would throw a spare ball at everything right of the headpin.

Secondly your going to have to revamp your approach, your going to want to stand farther left than normal for targeting, like saying if you usually stand on 28 to hit 3rd arrow, well throwing 2 handed your going to want to stand on around 31-33 to hit third arrow, depending on how comfortable you are. The reason for this is because you have to give yourself more room to clear your hips with the ball, so your naturally going to need more approach room.

The big thing is clearing your hips with the ball, so that you have a normal backswing, its not going to be as high as normal, its going to be a shorter backswing but it will generate as much, if not more speed that normal and a lot more revs, learning to control these revs are the big thing, you have to know when to use them and when to be versatile and take hand out of the ball to be able to play a normal line even when the lanes dry up. It will take a while to understand everything, because your top hand can help you adjust length and tilt also, but thats more advanced and wouldnt worry about that quite yet.

As for thumb in or thumb out, thats more of a personal feel issue, some of us put it in, some of us dont put it in. Belmo, Osku, and Chas all have there thumbs out, while myself, and Cassidy have our thumbs in. I feel with my thumb in, I am MUCH more accurate and I can control my rev rate, tilt and accuracy a lot better with my thumb in the ball.

Go on youtube, search for Jason Belmonte, Osku Palermaa, Cassidy Schaub.

Also here is 2 of my videos, will try and get more videos this weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfzvSUN9yPY&feature=channel_page

curiosity, do u throw 1 handed at the 7 pin?

[idlehourlegend]

curiosity, do u throw 1 handed at the 7 pin?

Nope, I throw a spare ball 2 handed at the 7 and 4-7, I come straight up the back of the spare ball and throw crosslane at it, the only thing I can say I am very good at is changing hand positions to change roll with 2 hands, that is a very big thing to be able to be good at it. I can make a spare ball hook 15 boards normal release, but this way it doesnt hook 1.