need help league banquet problems

[mbrown300]

hey we were to have our league banquet last tuesday night an we got the call saying that it was postponed til this week. hmmm needless to say we got the call again saying its postponed again an the reason is that our prize money was stolen out of his house an he doesnt have it. I AM REALLY SURPRIZED THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVENT HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS. i figured something was up when it took our secretary forever 5 weeks plus to cash a check. the bowling center wont take checks. but anyway i have contacted our association manager an president and they have contacted headquarters so i am not sure how long it will be to get this resolved i do know that are leagues our bonded an insured which our secretary didnt know that/ he said he was cashing in his 401k which for me was why would he do that if it actually got stolen? anyway any feed back or anyone went thru this let me know thanks in advance. i have bowled for 30 plus yrs now an havent had a problem til now an most years i bowled in several leagues 2 to 6 nights a week

[pkrplayer]

You should look into filing charges of theft/embezzelment. They will investigate. If the money was actually stolen, then he filed a police report and he will not be charged. No police report, he (or someone he knows) stole it. That is my opinion.

[snowspike1]

to me that sounds iffy.

i went thru something some what similar... weekly due i paid 2 at a time and had the season paid off by the middle.. the sec. kept putting notes in our team envolope saying that i was behind and if i didnt get caught up i could nolonger bowl.. I then got photo copies of every cancelled check and proved to her that i was paid out. From what we heard she was doing that to a few others also and during the banquet she didn't provide a break down sheet of money in money out... some think that the prize winning amounts were low.. She had been sec&treasure for 3 yrs and after that yr she didn't reappointed to either position.

Not sure if she was stealing money or what. Just know with the # of teams that were on the league she made money (1 position paid for her bowling).

I think that anyone person should only hold 1 and only 1 position; If they serve more then they still should only get paid for 1 but that is my opinion.

[BubbaRay]

Definately do not let this go . It soounds like if he is cashing in his 401K, he is going to try and put the money back. Why would he do this you ask? Probably he is the guilty one. First findout out how the USBC is going to hanf=dle the theft charges and then file a criminal complaint. Why was the leagues prize money at his house to begin with. Every league I belong to and and was president in had to have two signatures on a check to pay for any functions or trophies with a check and not have cash laying around.

USBC provides free bonding, burglary/robbery insurance to leagues. They are two valuable services that cover funds when:

« A league officer or Youth league supervisor/official misuses them.

« A league officer, Youth league supervisor/official or their messenger is robbed by force or threat of violence. When using an in-house deposit service, the messenger is the bowling center employee who takes the deposit to a banking institution.

« Someone burglarizes the premises, vehicle or locked receptacle where funds are kept. There must be visible evidence of forced entry and an on-site police report is required. In the case of an in-house deposit service, this would cover burglary of the bowling center.

To ensure leagues receive full coverage under the USBC insurance program:

« Open an account in your league’s name in an insured banking institution or in-house deposit service, and make deposits within a week of receipt.

« The president and/or Youth league supervisor must verify the account each month by obtaining a statement from the bank or in-house deposit service and mathematically checking for an accurate balance.

« Two elected officers must co-sign for withdrawals.

« Cosigners cannot be immediate family members.

« All officers and/or co-signers on the league account must be at least 18 years of age.

If a league fails to follow the above procedures, the bonding program only will cover a maximum of 50 percent of the documented loss on a bond claim and one week’s receipts (up to $2,000) for a burglary or robbery.

[mbrown300]

the quote from him is he had the money at his house last week when we were to have banquet but supposedly he had to leave town for a funeral an he had the money to get it ready for banquet. which could be true but i dont believe it. and thats what i was thinking when he said he was cashing in his 401k because why would anyone be willing to take there own money out? its too bad it was a great league an probably will be done because of this. an it looks like whichever way this goes it will be awhile before we get our money. i should have spoke up earlier this year when he wasnt taking the money to the bank every week i used to write a check to cover bowling an we had to make it to the league because the bowling center wouldnt take them an i had 6 checks out at one time an im sure others did too but i will post/keep you updated as i find info out. im not on the board or a captain but i was the first to make a phone call everyone else didnt know what to do or was affraid to do anything about it

[mbrown300]

so i just got the call from the assistant manager from the bowling center the league is under investagation by our local association an by usbc an by the state an they are going to do an audit of our league as of yet he hasnt came up with the police report an i am not sure who will be heading the audit for sure or when any of this will be taking place or anything yet so it will be awhile before we get answers or money. just makes me want to just walk away from bowling totally i have been bowling for 30 yrs an was going to take this coming year off an just sub but now i think i will just sell my stuff an be done with it. i few people have to ruin it for everyone an ohh ya i forgot were talking over $9,000 :confused:

[BubbaRay]

mrbrown. Don't let this sway your mind on quiting bowling. There is a bad one in every crowd. This will work out , it may take some time but it will work out. When the USBC finds proof if this guy took the money they will probably ban him from membership for a time. 9,000 dolarrs is nothing to sneeze at and by the sounds of it, someone goes out of town and has 9,000 of someone elses money in his house, and then he says it was stolensounds real fishy without a Police report of a burglary. Hang in there mrbrown and see what course this takes.

[Rowdy]

"Had the money at his house"??? Uh,WHY??? There is no reason whatsoever to have league funds at your house. None. EVER!!! I've had to get the funds for the banquet numerous times. You grab another league officer. You go to the bank. You close the account. You go to the banquet and hand over the dough. The only excuse for not having the cash would be that you got robbed in the parking lot of the bank or the bowling alley. And then you'd have the other league officer as a witness. Sounds like this guy needs to go directly to Jail,do not pass Go,and do not collect $200.

[BubbaRay]

All my leagues pay by check . No need to have cash on hand at all.

[mbrown300]

the reason/excuse he had mooney at his house was we were to have banquet two weeks ago so he withdrew the money over that weekend (fri or sat) to get it ready for league banquet then supposedly had to go out of town for a funeral on sunday/monday so banquet was postponed til next week so thats his story anyway but he didnt make routine stops at the bank all year.
as far as leagues paying out with checks i have never had a league do that an if you do for team money who gets the check an how do you handle dividing it up? for me i pay cash all year long so i expect cash back.
as far as me bowling its been decide earlier this year that i would only sub next year bowling for me is no fun anymore as i have been bowling since i was 3 yrs old an no breaks of it no time off an am burned out of it most thoses years i bowled at least 2 nights a week even in junior leagues plus tournaments on weekends an the only reason i bowl yet is i love going to nationals an have to be sancation other than that around ilinois esp centeral illinois too much politics involved with it around here we even have a center in town thats about to go under because they didnt pay there property tax for over 5 years an someone has bought it so they have now like 13 days to pay him with interests or he is closing it down and tearing it down. an its the busiest center we have so someone is scamming money somewere.

[RickJensen]

I know a lot of places are going away from taking checks, but the leagues I am on write a check to the bowling alley the night of the awards/roll-off and get the cash there to hand out to the bowlers. That works well for us, the league officials aren't carrying around a bunch of cash and everythings still accounted for, yet the bowlers have the cash immediately (most likely used in house that night) rather than a check to deposit or cash.

[mbrown300]

so we had are meeting tonight an our secretary showed up late no surprised am surprized that he even showed up an he came up with a police report 2 days after the incident supposedly happened an he is still saying that hes waiting on his 401k money to pay the league then when usbc pays he will get it back. which still proves to me hes guilty an he spoke in the meeting an he was nervous talking an was on the run the whole time which he never does he def wasnt himself so supposedly next tuesday will be our money an after talking to a few others his story has changed or others were told something different but anyway will post as i get more

[BubbaRay]

Thanks for the update mrbrown. It is a shame . One thing to remembers, liars never tell the same story twice . I hope it all works out for you and the league and if it comes down to finding out he did take the money, persue the charges against him after your league recovers the funds.

[mongoliantreesloth]

What's a 401k?

[BubbaRay]

What's a 401k?

A 401k is a retirement plan. But not all 401k retirement plans are the same they have to comply with the rules and regulations by the US tax code. Each company offering its employees 401k sets the maximum percentage an employee can contribute to his or her 401k. The company will also add a certain percentage from the company’s resources. While the employee contributes with money, the employer can sometime contribute with stocks. Since the amount of money that goes into the retirement plan fund is taken from a gross salary, the tax paid by the employee is smaller.

[Spare Time Proshop]

hey we were to have our league banquet last tuesday night an we got the call saying that it was postponed til this week. hmmm needless to say we got the call again saying its postponed again an the reason is that our prize money was stolen out of his house an he doesnt have it. I AM REALLY SURPRIZED THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVENT HAD THE SAME PROBLEMS. i figured something was up when it took our secretary forever 5 weeks plus to cash a check. the bowling center wont take checks. but anyway i have contacted our association manager an president and they have contacted headquarters so i am not sure how long it will be to get this resolved i do know that are leagues our bonded an insured which our secretary didnt know that/ he said he was cashing in his 401k which for me was why would he do that if it actually got stolen? anyway any feed back or anyone went thru this let me know thanks in advance. i have bowled for 30 plus yrs now an havent had a problem til now an most years i bowled in several leagues 2 to 6 nights a week




MrBrown300 im sorry to hear this ....The same time happen here in my scratch league the Secretary took more that 15,000 he was showing the Prez old deposit slips from the year before, back then abc took the sec card for a period of 5 years and he had to repay the money the center paid the prize fund to keep the guy from getting beat up....
Also the secretary had to know the league was bonded IF HE FILED the paper work with your local USBC at the start of the season with your dues money...If not the league will have to go after him and will only get there money after he pays it back.....

[Spare Time Proshop]

"Had the money at his house"??? Uh,WHY??? There is no reason whatsoever to have league funds at your house. None. EVER!!! I've had to get the funds for the banquet numerous times. You grab another league officer. You go to the bank. You close the account. You go to the banquet and hand over the dough. The only excuse for not having the cash would be that you got robbed in the parking lot of the bank or the bowling alley. And then you'd have the other league officer as a witness. Sounds like this guy needs to go directly to Jail,do not pass Go,and do not collect $200.

I have done this three times in the last week .....The problem is who the person is taking the money home.....I wouldnt want to just show up with the dough at the banquet with 150 guys looking at me the whole time i was trying to break down there payout.....so i use the team envelopes and use it as a prize envelope and put the guys envelopes in there in order they bowl with there prize fund and name on each one.....
In my city do whats called in house banking.....we pay the center lineage each night and then deposit the prize fund with them and they give me a invoice with both totals on it they even keep trake of the 50/50 money and the bracket money as we take 5.00 out of each bracket the guy running gets 2.50 and 2.50 goes in to a bracket tourney we have at the end of the year....so in closeing i file the forms with USBC saying we are doing in house banking and we are bonded as long as i get weekly totals from the center and show them to the officers of the league....

[mbrown300]

my opion on taking money home should be a noway esp a tuesday night league all you have to do is do a break down on paper (which actually should be done already) my area they want the pay out estimate sheet a month before league ends then on tuesday you pick up the money before you goto the center an get to center about an hour before hand with the board members of league to help you fill envelopes. but i guess thats my thinking on it. i just cant wait for it to be done an over with. i hope he does pay us with his money he is to be getting because he thinks hes going to get it all back from usbc but the way things look thru my eyes he wont get anything because he didnt follow procedures such as have 2 signatures on account, balance statement every month, withdrawals, no consistent deposits to account. so it should be interesting this tuesday

[mongoliantreesloth]

Thanks for the info bubba. Re the 401k, at lest the guy seems to be prepared to make up any loss.

[mbrown300]

so come last night he didnt show up called the league president and he turned himself in to the police confessing he took the money so he is being charged with falsifying police report and theft over $300 which is a class 3 felony.
so we have 58 pissed off bowlers with no money. the usbc would not cover it because the right steps werent in place for the league an him paying restatuation wont happen so we are out $7,900 for total league.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

sorry to hear that.

only thing he could have done is indeed turn himself in or run.

how much time will he be in for ?

[Spare Time Proshop]

so come last night he didnt show up called the league president and he turned himself in to the police confessing he took the money so he is being charged with falsifying police report and theft over $300 which is a class 3 felony.
so we have 58 pissed off bowlers with no money. the usbc would not cover it because the right steps werent in place for the league an him paying restatuation wont happen so we are out $7,900 for total league.

You should file charges with USBC as im sure the league has done but the President of you league should also be in trouble he sould have been checking the deposits and signing off on the paper work you can also go after both there USBC cards.......we had it happen in a league here.....
Sorry again

[mbrown300]

yeah we added the president. the president/league allowed him to open an account in league name with one signature so he was making withdrawals an not deposits on a routine basis im not sure what time he is looking at most likely with it being his first offense they will drop the falsify report charge an plea with him for the theft an they will just slap his wrist an give him probation. i will be contacting usbc about suspending his card just be aware he has been talking about moving out of state so he maybe heading your way after all this is done

[Lonewolf300800]

sorry to hear about your league's loss. unfortunately there are still bad, greedy people out there that can't be trusted with this kind of responsibility. on the USBC card issue, if they suspend their cards, and if either of them try to get a card through another association or state it will show up that their card has been suspended. i'm a league secretary myself and i take great offense that someone would do this to fellow bowlers.