time for a new ball (jigsaw or sting) [Archive]

four

07-16-2009, 10:41 PM

Hi all,

it's been a while, but I'm planning to go back to hammer. I've tried storm last season, and after two storm balls, I still ended up using by bwb as my go-to ball. It's getting kinda roughed up, so I wanted to replace it.

I would love to get something similar to the bite, just a little less jumpy or aggressive. Basically give me a little room for error. I was thinking of the new BWS or the Jigsaw. What are your thoughts.

Tweener
16.5 - 17 MPH
mid-hi rev
Right now bite is drilled to go max hook.

THoughts?

Ray1010

07-16-2009, 10:57 PM

I would go with the jigsaw.It has the early read but also great length and a great archy back end movement.The sting for me is a little too unpredictable
This of course is based off my experiences and opinions since I don't know how you bowl.(lane conditions,speed,rev. rate etc.)

four

07-16-2009, 10:59 PM

thanks.

my bite is actually drilled almost exactly like your sauce (i looked at the link in your sig)

idlehourlegend

07-17-2009, 08:40 AM

I think both of these balls would be more agressive than your Bite, the Jigsaw would be the better out of the 2, but might need a milder drilling and surface to make it weaker than your bite.

BubbaRay

07-17-2009, 09:43 AM

The Sting will be more rolly if that is what you are loking for. It will clear the heads fiine and have a strong midlane read with a continuous strong back end. The Jigsaw will be alittle longer with more of an aggressive back end.

four

07-17-2009, 10:37 AM

I think both of these balls would be more agressive than your Bite, the Jigsaw would be the better out of the 2, but might need a milder drilling and surface to make it weaker than your bite.

I guess aggressive is OK, just want something that isnt as jumpy

The Sting will be more rolly if that is what you are loking for. It will clear the heads fiine and have a strong midlane read with a continuous strong back end. The Jigsaw will be alittle longer with more of an aggressive back end.

what do you mean by rolly? I usually hit pocket fine with the Bite - but leave solid 10's at times, as well as occasional 9's which i hate

BubbaRay

07-17-2009, 11:09 AM

What I mean by rolly is the Sting will get through the heads fine and start to roll in the mid part of the lane and have a continuous strong roll on the back end. The Jigsaw will be flippy on the back .

idlehourlegend

07-17-2009, 11:14 AM

I guess aggressive is OK, just want something that isnt as jumpy

what do you mean by rolly? I usually hit pocket fine with the Bite - but leave solid 10's at times, as well as occasional 9's which i hate

Rolly means its more of an arch backend, ball will read a bit earlier and have an archy backend. Instead of the flip your use to instead of your backend looking like this....7...it will look like this ) kinda.

On edit, sorry for the double post Bubba, was typing while you did lol. Can delete it if you want to.

four

07-17-2009, 12:38 PM

Thanks Guys.

So you're saying the jigsaw is similar to the bite in terms of the way the 7 vs ) is?

bluerrpilot

07-17-2009, 10:43 PM

well the jigsaw is nasty looking....Id go for the sting

Donkey

07-18-2009, 01:13 AM

i went with the jigsaw and im not dissapointed drilled it strong pin kicked left and above finger with weight hole right of thumb this ball rolls so smooth and never stops turning on the backend carries great even on light pocket shots cant go wrong

TenPinSniper

07-18-2009, 01:31 AM

four

07-19-2009, 08:38 PM

Do your have a picture of yuor Bite?

Since both of these should be stronger for you then your Bite, I'd probably go with add a inch to the Pin to PAP distance. Put the MB around 45-55 degrees.

Another thing with the Jigsaw Hammer left alot of room to take away on surface... so you could sand 500, 1000, 4000... cleaner in the front, or skip the 4000 all together. There are alot of options.

With the Sting is polish for longer and sand down for earlier. It;s not like the Hot Sauce, where you sand up 4000 or 4000 Polish.

Just something to think about. But I have heard great things about the JigSaw already.

here are some:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWcLq7PI/AAAAAAAAABY/w7YpLpOyN78/s512/DSC04282.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWvmm9oI/AAAAAAAAABc/TtIifI4uYGE/s512/DSC04283.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKW9rOtoI/AAAAAAAAABg/_iyMYcLrQz0/s512/DSC04284.JPG

ky hammer

07-20-2009, 10:35 AM

i just got my jigsaw drilled up and let me tell you this ball hooks!!!! i love it. thanks hammer for another great ball.

four

07-20-2009, 11:52 AM

how is your ball drilled? do you have any pics?

Rowdy

07-21-2009, 01:23 AM

here are some:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWcLq7PI/AAAAAAAAABY/w7YpLpOyN78/s512/DSC04282.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWvmm9oI/AAAAAAAAABc/TtIifI4uYGE/s512/DSC04283.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKW9rOtoI/AAAAAAAAABg/_iyMYcLrQz0/s512/DSC04284.JPG

Mild drill. You could do a lot better with this ball.

ky hammer

07-21-2009, 07:47 AM

how is your ball drilled? do you have any pics?

if you were asking me, i don't have any pics but i got the pin above my ring finger and the cg is way out to the right and there is an axis hole out to the right of the pin. this ball is agressive!!!!

four

07-21-2009, 08:40 AM

Mild drill. You could do a lot better with this ball.

What do you mean? Which ball? The bite or the jigsaw/sting?

TenPinSniper

07-21-2009, 11:08 PM

here are some:

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWcLq7PI/AAAAAAAAABY/w7YpLpOyN78/s512/DSC04282.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKWvmm9oI/AAAAAAAAABc/TtIifI4uYGE/s512/DSC04283.JPG

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_ziaatg3VDkQ/SmPKW9rOtoI/AAAAAAAAABg/_iyMYcLrQz0/s512/DSC04284.JPG

Was this the ball you where referring to as drilled for max-hook? Do you know your PAP or whether you are high, medium or low track?

Rowdy

07-22-2009, 01:14 AM

What do you mean? Which ball? The bite or the jigsaw/sting?
The Bite. Way mild drill on that puppy. That thing must be a snoozer after it soaks up a little oil.

four

07-22-2009, 09:22 AM

Was this the ball you where referring to as drilled for max-hook? Do you know your PAP or whether you are high, medium or low track?

I have no clue if its hi-mid-or low. I jsut told the pro shop i want it to hook more than my BWP and he drilled this up saying max hook. I guess i should go somewhere else.

four

07-22-2009, 09:23 AM

The Bite. Way mild drill on that puppy. That thing must be a snoozer after it soaks up a little oil.

It's not that bad when there's oil. I prefer it actually. The problem is when the lanes dry up, it gets too jumpy.

VmsTopGun

07-22-2009, 09:54 AM

The BWSt comes from the factory witha 2k surface. You can bring the surface up a bit to give it some more length and some more turn. You can also experiment with a bit of polish.

BubbaRay

07-22-2009, 10:18 AM

The Jigsaw is much stronger than the Bite in total hook.

four

07-22-2009, 10:57 AM

So now I'm not sure what to do, since some of you said my current bite is drilled as "mild". If the jigsaw is even more aggressive, then I probably need soemthing else. I have no problems getting to the pocket when the lanes are fresh - it just becomes too uncontrollable by the 3rd game or so.

VmsTopGun

07-22-2009, 11:11 AM

I have no problems getting to the pocket when the lanes are fresh - it just becomes too uncontrollable by the 3rd game or so.

get something like an Acid, BWPearl or eVibe for the last game.

TenPinSniper

07-23-2009, 05:48 AM

If you have a low track then it might be kinda strong, say something with a over of less than 4 1/4".

Is the ball to jumpy on the backend?

How is your BWP drilled?

To me it looks like weak drill, but that common for alot of people on stronger bowling balls.

Hearing alot of good buzz on the JigSaw.

BubbaRay

07-23-2009, 06:32 AM

four

07-23-2009, 09:24 AM

If you are affraid the Jigsaw will be jumpy for you when the lanes transitions,Get a Raw Hammer Burn. But remember, after a shot brakes down this is where another ball choice takes place. Do not be affraid to switch to another ball if the lanes are moving too much bu the end of the second game . Remember, with the Jigsaw you can move inside deepr where the oil is during the night and still have the ball make it to the pocket

Yes, the bite gets too jump by the 3rd game, so I do play inside more, but feel i have a smaller room for error. The BWP is drilled with PIN under ring finger.

I think I will go ahead and try the jigsaw.

BubbaRay

07-23-2009, 09:42 AM

Yes, the bite gets too jump by the 3rd game, so I do play inside more, but feel i have a smaller room for error. The BWP is drilled with PIN under ring finger.

I think I will go ahead and try the jigsaw.

What drill are you going to use on the Jigsaw. If you are worried about it being to early and strong, a suugestion would be a Pin over the figer drill with about a 5" Pin to PAP for length if that is what you like. Talk it over with your Pro Shop Guy and see what he recommends for you.

Sparehater

07-23-2009, 10:31 AM

if he is moving inside and he doesnt want to, why are we suggesting something that hooks more than his bite? wouldnt the onyx or the burn be a better step DOWN

Dave34

07-23-2009, 10:35 AM

if he is moving inside and he doesnt want to, why are we suggesting something that hooks more than his bite? wouldnt the onyx or the burn be a better step DOWN

That's what I was thinking. I would suggest the Onyx Vibe, the one I've seen rolled was smooth but still had enough to not be weak at the pins. In comparison to the guys Emerald Vibe it was earlier, but seemed to cover the same number of boards, just with a noticeably different shot shape.

BubbaRay

07-23-2009, 12:37 PM

He kind of contradicted himself when he said he wanted something not as agressive but will give him room for error. The Jigsaw will do that. He had mentioned the Jigsaw in his original post.

four

07-23-2009, 02:59 PM

What drill are you going to use on the Jigsaw. If you are worried about it being to early and strong, a suugestion would be a Pin over the figer drill with about a 5" Pin to PAP for length if that is what you like. Talk it over with your Pro Shop Guy and see what he recommends for you.

Thanks for the input. I'm actually going to go with a different proshop because I feel like I was misled with this guy since all you guys are saying my BWB was drilled mild.

This proshop guy told me at the time of purchase that it was for MAX hook.

I'll definitely let the new proshop know about your recommendation. It sounds like thats how one of my storm balls are drilled *(rapid fire pearl)

four

07-23-2009, 03:02 PM

He kind of contradicted himself when he said he wanted something not as agressive but will give him room for error. The Jigsaw will do that. He had mentioned the Jigsaw in his original post.

sorry if i was misleading. I didnt want something as agressive, right, but what i should've probably said someting that doesnt roll so early. You pretty much nailed it in your other post. Something that will go longer but still come back.

TenPinSniper

07-23-2009, 09:03 PM

Honestly if you want a control ball... that generally going to be a Solid Cover and nothing to strong or weak either.

Think a Vibe would a excellent choice. On this I would put the Pin 5" away from your PAP, atleast. Kick the CG out towards your PAP a inch or so. If the lane is tough to control, knock off the polish with a 2000 and 4000 Abralon Pad. This will smooth out the reaction.

Have the new proshop find your PAP.

Strong stuff isn't always the answer.