Need some help...

[Harris]

My friends have been telling me this for a while now and I finally took the time to watch myself and they're right.... Have been the whole time I'm just too stubborn to listen, anyway I short arm the crap out of my release, I look like I'm pitching fast pitch softball my arm stops so short sometimes... What I'm looking for is some drills or exercises to practice to get my old muscle memory to go away and create a new habit to make myself always follow through, I try to remember in my approach "reach for the ceiling tile reach for the ceiling tile" but then I end up thinking way too much and messing something else up. If anyone has any information I would greatly appreciate all the help and tips. Thanks!

[Flessan]

Relax your arm. If you're stopping short in your follow through, then you're probably muscling your delivery. Grab a nerf ball and roll it around a bit. Just keep your arm loose and let gravity take control.

If there's any way you can supply video, we could give good SPECIFIC pointers for you.

[Harris]

Relax your arm. If you're stopping short in your follow through, then you're probably muscling your delivery. Grab a nerf ball and roll it around a bit. Just keep your arm loose and let gravity take control.

If there's any way you can supply video, we could give good SPECIFIC pointers for you.

I'll try to get video asap, maybe tonight if I hit the lanes. Thanks for the info.

[butch444444]

One of the old time bowlers, Carmen Salvano, used to have a drill where he would put a folded bowling towel under his arm. If he short armed the ball, the towel wouldnt fall to the foul line. This drill might help you get a ful follow through? Good luck

[Rowdy]

Gee,Don Carter had almost no follow through and he did very well on Tour. However,you want a full follow through and you shall have one. This one is older than me,which means it was invented right after electricity and automatic pinsetters. This is sooooooo simple.....accelerate through the release of the ball. Told ya it was simple. A short follow through is a sign of a decelerating swing at the bottom. When you accelerate just before release there's no way of stopping short. When the ball gets 2 ball lengths from the release point on the downswing,whip your arm through the release. Ain't no way to stop short if you do it right.

[bmoros300]

I know that for me, I find that if I start to Short arm the ball, sometimes from tiredness, Posting has always helped me. After my release, I hold my position for a 1-2 seconds before I come out of my stance. Almost like a photo, and yeah, I look goofy with my arm almost over my head, but its that overexaggeration that gets my muscle memory back into timing and helps me get the proper followthru. It also allows me to make sure I am balanced at the line. If I can't hold my post, something is wrong with my timing...if I fall off to the right, I was too fast and had to muscle the ball to keep timing

[Hammerhead1987]

Is what you are doing now working for you with no pain? If it works and is pain free, why is there a need to change it?

[tyketto]

I know that for me, I find that if I start to Short arm the ball, sometimes from tiredness, Posting has always helped me. After my release, I hold my position for a 1-2 seconds before I come out of my stance. Almost like a photo, and yeah, I look goofy with my arm almost over my head, but its that overexaggeration that gets my muscle memory back into timing and helps me get the proper followthru. It also allows me to make sure I am balanced at the line. If I can't hold my post, something is wrong with my timing...if I fall off to the right, I was too fast and had to muscle the ball to keep timing

I wouldn't call this goofy. In fact, this is something that was drilled into me in collegiates. If you fall off on your shot that means your balance is off after you release the ball. That being you were fast with your feet, causing you to pull the ball, or your timing was off at the beginning.

Trying to post at the release would mean that your balance is right and your timing is right. Brad Snell did this all the time, an still does. Parker Bohn does this as well. Earl Anthony did this too.

BL.

[Rowdy]

If you fall off on your shot that means your balance is off after you release the ball. That being you were fast with your feet, causing you to pull the ball, or your timing was off at the beginning.

No,it just means that you were out of balance when you released the ball. I could be something as simple as a trailing foot in the wrong place. And fast feet aren't the only reason for pulling a shot. An outside-in swing,hand on the outside half of the ball on the downswing and others can result in a pulled shot.

You can't be off on your timing at the beginning. There is no such thing. Like ball death it doesn't exsist. Timing is where everything comes together at the moment of release. That is the only place you can be out of time.

[Sparehater]

rowdy an outside-in swing would be a figure 8 and would technically result in a shot thrown to the right, inside out would bring it away from your ankle at release and result in a pulled shot

[Rowdy]

rowdy an outside-in swing would be a figure 8 and would technically result in a shot thrown to the right, inside out would bring it away from your ankle at release and result in a pulled shot

Not so. I have seen guys who take it back to the outside and come right back down the same line,in effect pulling the shot on purpose. I take it inside on the downswing but by rotating my arm so the ball is to the outside of my hand and holding that until release keeps the ball from being pulled. If anything,it shoves it right at release.

[PocketRocket]

Usually when you shorthand the ball, it is a sign of grabbing the ball. If you dont already, try opening up your hand at your release, that will help a little on being able to extend your arm outward on your follow through.

[Harris]

I think I figured out what it was, I think my timing was off because I took the time to slow everything down in my head and think about what I was doing and I wasn't even sliding 100%, I have worked on correcting this and it's helped a lot, I actually now have ball speed I need to adjust for because I'm not used to the ball going that far. Thanks for everyone's input!

[tyketto]

No,it just means that you were out of balance when you released the ball. I could be something as simple as a trailing foot in the wrong place. And fast feet aren't the only reason for pulling a shot. An outside-in swing,hand on the outside half of the ball on the downswing and others can result in a pulled shot.

You can't be off on your timing at the beginning. There is no such thing. Like ball death it doesn't exsist. Timing is where everything comes together at the moment of release. That is the only place you can be out of time.

You can absolutely be off on your timing at the beginning. If you're late on your pushout after your first step of your approach, you're going to be trailing your feet. Meaning that your arm and body will need to catch up. If you try to catch up, you're short arming. If not, your feet plant at the time of your release, and your arm is still back behind you, causing you to muscle through the ball and pull it left.

All because you got ahead of yourself at the beginning of your approach.

BL.

[Rowdy]

You can absolutely be off on your timing at the beginning. If you're late on your pushout after your first step of your approach, you're going to be trailing your feet.

Make up your mind. Being late on the pushout AFTER the first step is not the "beginning" of anything. You've already taken a step,right??? Every swing starts with a step,how in the world can you be off on that??? By not walking??? Then you're just standing there and looking like you don't have a clue.

[tyketto]

Make up your mind. Being late on the pushout AFTER the first step is not the "beginning" of anything. You've already taken a step,right??? Every swing starts with a step,how in the world can you be off on that??? By not walking??? Then you're just standing there and looking like you don't have a clue.

:rolleyes:

Go back and read that '5 step vs. 5 step' thread, and see how wrong you are on that.

But anyway, as far as this is concerned, here's a prime example of how having everything off at the beginning affects your release.

Say you have a 4 step approach. You are supposed to push out on your first step. You don't push out. By the time you are in the middle of that step or starting your second step, your ball is behind with your steps. You keep going. You plant (or slide into) your last step, in which your armswing still has your ball behind you. your ball comes down and out as you muscle it back to release. Because of your arm not being relaxed, you pull the ball.

All because your timing was off with your push out on your first step.

Rewind again. you're still not pushing out exactly on that first step. through your second and third, you try to get your timing back by not relaxing your arm through your backswing, keeping your backswing rather short (read: shortarm). you release at the same time, but your ball goes high because you pulled the ball slightly left of your target.

All because you didn't relax your arm, and you were late on your pushout, all due to TIMING.

If you're not really understanding that, you need to ask a coach about how important your timing is at the beginning of your approach, and how having that off can affect all of your approach, and your release.

BL.