Black Widow Nasty [Archive]

Dave34

11-17-2009, 11:34 AM

http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/ball_black_widow_nasty.php

It's about to get NASTY. The new Hammer Black Widow Nasty is the dirtiest ball motion yet in the Widow line. Send it wide and watch this Widow wheel back without stopping! Hammer's combination of a new, higher RG Widow core shape, a new Violent Wheel Reactive coverstock and the all new Cover-puck technology is going to redefine the Widow legend.

Hammer's brand new Cover-puck technology brings this Widow back from almost anywhere. With a higher RG and higher differential core system, this Widow pushes further down the lane but keeps it coming on the backend. Just when you think she's about to give up the Big Wheel Reactive cover gets this Widow Nasty going on the backend. Hammer is the first brand in bowling to use Cover-puck technology and it pushes the Nasty to new ball motion that wasn't available with standard Widow cores. You'll see stronger down-lane motion with breakpoints that are easier to control when we use the Cover-puck system.

We've also designed our new Widow core system to not only be high in differential but a little lower in mass bias, creating a more drill-friendly bowling ball. While you should still use asymmetric drilling options with the Black Widow Nasty, the movement of the Low Mass Bias mark will not be as critical as in previous Widow intros.

Another Widow, modified core though. Higher RG, slightly lower diff, lower Mass Bias rating (although it doesn't say how much lower). Will probably look into if they don't introduce a Jigsaw Pearl soon.

idlehourlegend

11-17-2009, 11:42 AM

OMG ITS PRETTY!:D That balls looks awesome and has less backend snap. This is a winner in my book.

RRbowl

11-17-2009, 11:49 AM

My friend and fellow Hammer staffer threw this ball in Hopkinsville and was QUITE impressed. He said he kept moving in and no matter how far in he went the ball just kept coming back for him. We should have this ball within a few days and I will report back after I have thrown it.

BubbaRay

11-17-2009, 12:23 PM

Hammer's reputation is Long and strong . If you look up the term in the dictionary the Widow Nasty is beside the the words.

The Widow Nasty is just what RRBowl described. This ball gets down the lane like no other Widow does and it will come back from anywhere. The backend reaction is something you have never seen out of a Widow Ball before.

Gates

11-17-2009, 12:51 PM

Release Date?

can-ham

11-17-2009, 12:57 PM

That core look awesome!

But seriously how much longer can Hammer go? There are only 60 feet on the lane and the Pearl and venom from what I can see sure go long then come back. So is the nasty path shape that of a hockey stick? or a reverse L (for righties).

I'm waiting for a ball to come out that goes past the pocket then pulls a U turn and comes back to strike :p

DSOTM

11-17-2009, 01:00 PM

Release Date?

Exactly 3 months to the date before the next Hammer Widow that goes the longest and has the most agressive backend of all time comes out. :rolleyes:

Seriously, time to retire this line. If they want to BS me into buying yet another widow- at least spend some time in the marketing board room and call it something else and give it a different graphic pattern. Besides that, the title makes no sense. I get Black Widow Poison, Bite, Sting, Killer, - all related to the spider, but Nasty?

I've been awaiting the new Hammer releases, and since I assume there will be a jigsaw pearl, I'm dissapointed to see this.

idlehourlegend

11-17-2009, 01:03 PM

tyketto

11-17-2009, 01:31 PM

Video? Please, Mr. Ussery? PleasePleasePlease?? :)

BL.

Deadman

11-17-2009, 01:33 PM

any news on the release date bubba?

mmcfarland300

11-17-2009, 02:29 PM

This has a different core and a different cover. This might be the first BW i will actually buy. I didnt buy the others as I don't match well with most assymetric stuff but with the lower MB rating I think I might give this one a go.

BubbaRay

11-17-2009, 02:46 PM

I haven't heard any word on a release date yet.

BubbaRay

11-17-2009, 02:50 PM

:( I was excited, now not so much. More skid/flip.... But I do really like the colors, so Im undecided as of right now.

I didn't exactly say it was skid / flip. I has a very very strong backend reaction like no other Widow.

Rowdy

11-17-2009, 03:42 PM

Uhhhh.....nice ball and all,but how the hell can it be a BW series ball without the Gas Mask core??? Sorry,but it don't pass the smell test. This would be like me driving to Daytona and trying to enter the Nationwide race with my Mustang.

That said,will I give the ball a look??? You bet. But I sure won't be comparing it to any Widow I've seen. This one will stand on it's own.

Rowdy

11-17-2009, 04:06 PM

Exactly 3 months to the date before the next Hammer Widow that goes the longest and has the most agressive backend of all time comes out. :rolleyes:

Seriously, time to retire this line. If they want to BS me into buying yet another widow- at least spend some time in the marketing board room and call it something else and give it a different graphic pattern. Besides that, the title makes no sense. I get Black Widow Poison, Bite, Sting, Killer, - all related to the spider, but Nasty?

Gotta agree here. I'm just reading the ad material now to see if the line is still in there because it's turned into an inside joke. Not good.

Seriously,how much dough get's blown with all these fancy ad layouts and lame copy??? What I'm wondering is how it breaks down as a,"per ball" cost. I've never seen a guy run in a Pro Shop waving the ad and screaming,"I've gotta have this ball! It's the biggest hooking,most aggressive one...yada,yada,yada." But I have seen a guy pick between two different balls based on price,when everything else evens out. Maybe there is some serious market share to be gained here. I'll even go way out on a limb and say we've sold more Hammer balls through word of mouth and letting people see the ball in action than all that ad copy combined.

If the ball is good and the price is right for what it does,it'll find an audience.

RRbowl

11-17-2009, 05:21 PM

Release Date?

December 15, 2009 per the e-mail that I received.

BubbaRay

11-17-2009, 07:09 PM

Yep RRbowl is correct, that is the date I just recieved in my email.

Ray1010

11-17-2009, 07:31 PM

Hmmm..well don really need it but I never turn down a widow ball.But is this considered a pearl?Solid?Hybrid?

Rowdy

11-17-2009, 10:24 PM

One of the guys tonite brought his laptop so I pulled up the Nasty to give 'em a sneak peek. Overall opinion was that they liked the ball and would give it a long hard look. But everyone agreed that sticking this thing in the BW line was a boo-boo.

I want commission off of these sales.......

Rowdy

11-17-2009, 10:31 PM

BTW-What's the cover ground at??? Hopefully not that thing they did with the 'Saw.....

idlehourlegend

11-17-2009, 10:39 PM

BTW-What's the cover ground at??? Hopefully not that thing they did with the 'Saw.....

Tuning Ball Motion:
The Violent Wheel Reactive coverstock used on the Black Widow Nasty will provide medium length with quick
and continuous backend response. However, it is important to keep in mind that all bowlers have different
needs. The Black Widow Nasty can easily be sanded to a rougher grit for stronger hook motion in oil, or it
can be polished for more length and less total hook. When refinishing the Black Widow Nasty to restore the
“out of the box” performance, make sure to sand with a 500 Abralon pad, followed by 1000 Abralon, 2000
Abralon, and 4000 Abralon pads to match the factory spec. Please consult your pro shop operator for
additional assistance in tuning ball motion

slap

11-17-2009, 10:53 PM

It's the details. Rowdy has a point, this ball is a widow in name only...new core/cover plus this new technology. The higher rg should give this ball a different look.

Rowdy

11-17-2009, 11:21 PM

Tuning Ball Motion:
The Violent Wheel Reactive coverstock used on the Black Widow Nasty will provide medium length with quick
and continuous backend response. However, it is important to keep in mind that all bowlers have different
needs. The Black Widow Nasty can easily be sanded to a rougher grit for stronger hook motion in oil, or it
can be polished for more length and less total hook. When refinishing the Black Widow Nasty to restore the
“out of the box” performance, make sure to sand with a 500 Abralon pad, followed by 1000 Abralon, 2000
Abralon, and 4000 Abralon pads to match the factory spec. Please consult your pro shop operator for
additional assistance in tuning ball motion

So in other words,:"Here's the ball,you figure it out." I'm guessing the OOB finish will be 4000 dull,right?

throwthechalk

11-18-2009, 03:30 AM

im wondering if this is the same core in the chalk :confused:i have the chalk and the only thing i can find on it is that its a modified bw core ?????

BubbaRay

11-18-2009, 05:50 AM

The OOB finish on the Nast is 4000 no polish.

TenPinSniper

11-18-2009, 06:01 AM

Uhhhh This would be like me driving to Daytona and trying to enter the Nationwide race with my Mustang.

Pretty sure your Mustang will fit in at Daytona in the Nationwide this next year, if I heard it right.:eek:

BubbaRay

11-18-2009, 06:12 AM

im wondering if this is the same core in the chalk :confused:i have the chalk and the only thing i can find on it is that its a modified bw core ?????

The Chalk core and the BW Nasty core are totaly different in design and technology. The Chalk core is a Low RG, High Mass Bias Core . It is a modified BW Core.

The BW Nasty's core is a High RG Core and a lower mas bias rating. with Cover-Puck Technology. This new core Hammer drilled away part of the outer core and filled that void with Violent Wheel Coverstock material. This offset of coverstock material creates extra hooking power down the lane.

BTW this is supposed to be the last in the Widow line also.

Hammerhead1987

11-18-2009, 08:20 AM

Anyone know what this ball will be like compared to the BWP? Since I will be getting a Jigsaw soon, anyone know what the comparison between them will be like? Just trying to get an idea.

Rowdy

11-18-2009, 08:31 AM

Pretty sure your Mustang will fit in at Daytona in the Nationwide this next year, if I heard it right.:eek:

You heard right. Mustang's and Challenger's at four races next season,full time in 2011. Chevy wimps out,no Camaro's. Don't know how that Dodge thing will shake out. Rebadge them all as Fiat's,I guess. Cup racing is officially dead. But somehow my Mustang and the ones Jack Roush will show up with will look nothing alike. I want one of Jack's......

Rowdy

11-18-2009, 08:36 AM

The Chalk core and the BW Nasty core are totaly different in design and technology. The Chalk core is a Low RG, High Mass Bias Core . It is a modified BW Core.

The BW Nasty's core is a High RG Core and a lower mas bias rating. with Cover-Puck Technology. This new core Hammer drilled away part of the outer core and filled that void with Violent Wheel Coverstock material. This offset of coverstock material creates extra hooking power down the lane.

BTW this is supposed to be the last in the Widow line also.

So basically Hammers doing OOB what we've been doing for years,making an offset ball. That thing ought to snap over hard,even without an exotic drill. I really want to see Bill O'Neill rev one of these puppy's up.

mmcfarland300

11-18-2009, 08:39 AM

Rowdy

11-18-2009, 08:44 AM

I am interested to see if the Puck technology is marked somehow because i cant imagine you would want to drill through it. I am kinda excited about this BW release I agree it is a BW in name only but if this is new technology and a build up to new things im in.

My thinking is you want to drill in it. With the core "offset" to the other side,imagine what will happen when you take material out of the "puck" part. Big hook.

The drilling instructions are the same as for any BW ball. I'll assume the MB is marked on this new ball like all the other BW balls. But how to find the "puck" part.......

VmsTopGun

11-18-2009, 10:25 AM

Uhhhh.....nice ball and all,but how the hell can it be a BW series ball without the Gas Mask core??? Sorry,but it don't pass the smell test. .

X2 .... all the members of a given line have the same core. Looks like the Sauce core inverted.

HammerTime7288

11-18-2009, 11:09 PM

X2 .... all the members of a given line have the same core. Looks like the Sauce core inverted.

I agree... inverted Sauce core but with a flip block. Awesome.

IMO it may not be a Widow in spirit, but it will be a great piece nonetheless.

BubbaRay

11-19-2009, 06:26 AM

My thinking is you want to drill in it. With the core "offset" to the other side,imagine what will happen when you take material out of the "puck" part. Big hook.

The drilling instructions are the same as for any BW ball. I'll assume the MB is marked on this new ball like all the other BW balls. But how to find the "puck" part.......

The mass bias mark on the ball is still important in determining ball motion, just not nearly as much as before with the other core. You still layout this ball using the pin position and the mass bias indicator.

slap

11-19-2009, 07:22 AM

Also with the Higher RG and diff this ball should really push through the front of the lane compared to the gas mask balls.

Gates

11-19-2009, 08:43 AM

Wow, first I was gung-ho for the Jigsaw, but had to put it off for money reasons. Then I saw the JACKED and was like, I think I'll get that instead for XMAS. BUT NOW! THE NASTY has officially stolen my interest. I'm going to the mall today to sit on Santa's beer soaked lap and ask for this ball to be under my tree come Dec. 25th.

NastyNate

11-19-2009, 10:41 AM

I was going with the Sting after ThanksGiving but now the Nasty is coming out and my friend is suggesting the New cell mutant What to do every time i finally look to get something a better ball is coming out im buying one very soon and im looking to replace my blue vibe with the onyx vibe very soon also.

Is there going to be a new video on the Nasty

BubbaRay

11-19-2009, 12:30 PM

Yes Nate, there will be a Video of the new BW Nasty. It is up on the site Now

VmsTopGun

11-19-2009, 12:37 PM

if you can follow the link below.....................

http://www.hammerbowling.com/products/balls/ball_black_widow_nasty.php?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailmarketingsoftware&utm_content=846493076&utm_campaign=BlackWidowNastyProShop+_+utchr#video

Gates

11-19-2009, 01:02 PM

oh boy oh boy oh boy....

NastyNate

11-19-2009, 01:24 PM

Well that made my mind up less than a month to wait!!!!

H4MM3RH34D

11-19-2009, 02:15 PM

Those colors are similar to the HARV, no?

idlehourlegend

11-19-2009, 02:30 PM

Looks like a hard skid/flip to me... Will be passing on this one too. Even though I do like the colors.

BTW the video sounds like bowling ball porn or something.:D

BubbaRay

11-19-2009, 02:30 PM

Those colors are similar to the HARV, no?

The colors of this ball are Black/Purple/Red Sparkle . The sparkles are only in the red areas of the ball. This creates a very unique looking product that will really stand out on the shelf and grabs the eye!

The Nasty has solid and some pearl colors in it.

tyketto

11-19-2009, 02:32 PM

NastyNate

11-19-2009, 02:45 PM

I seen the Black Widow Killer in Japan last Year pretty wicked ball just to expensive to by and bring back with me.

H4MM3RH34D

11-19-2009, 02:49 PM

NastyNate, it would seem this ball was made for you.

BubbaRay

11-19-2009, 03:03 PM

Bubba,

Do you know if they made a video for the original Black Widow? I remember seeing how hard of a left turn Doug Kent was able to make that ball do during the US Open that he won.

I'd love to compare the original BW to the Nasty here, as from looking at that video, that ball makes a HARD left turn to the pocket. Not like a snap, but just turns left harder than drivers at a NASCAR race.

For those that have the original BW, would you say that ball would be more arcing compared to the Nasty (just based off the video)?

Also, I wonder who did the video..

BL.

There were videos of the Balck Widow Solid done by Buddies Pro Shop here is the video of the Widow Solid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX5bjFDYEHU&feature=related

The person in the video of the Nasty is Mr. Jeff Ussery Hammer's Brand Manager. Who is narating the video I do not know.

Dave34

11-19-2009, 05:14 PM

tyketto

11-19-2009, 05:22 PM

There were videos of the Balck Widow Solid done by Buddies Pro Shop here is the video of the Widow Solid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX5bjFDYEHU&feature=related

The person in the video of the Nasty is Mr. Jeff Ussery Hammer's Brand Manager. Who is narating the video I do not know.

Thanks.

That explains the left turn the ball makes at the back end. Just going off the ball motion, my guess is that he has the ball drilled similar to the Jacked that he used in that video, as well as the Total NV video he did some 3 years ago. Probably a 4 1/2" - 5" pin.

I wonder how he rates it against the Jacked that he threw...

BL.

H4MM3RH34D

11-19-2009, 05:27 PM

That was probably the worst video Hammer has made yet. Much better than nothing, but it was blurry, no info on ball layout/surface/lane condition. No comparison to other bowling balls, just us going "oooh, look at da ball go left".
Agree.

(I have to say something more here because for some reason there is a 10 letter minimum on responses.... So disregard this parenthetical, it is just filler.)

steven700

11-19-2009, 06:03 PM

tyketto

11-19-2009, 06:22 PM

Il have to disagree with the comments saying this is only a BW in name only. Peoples gripe tends to be the core. BUt after soo many widows coming out, how long do they expect to milk a specific core out no matter how good it is.

Think about it this way.

By comparison, the last Faball Hammer to come out was the Burgundy, around 1993 - 1994. That was the last one with that core. I bought my Blue and Blue Pearl in 1989, and I'm pretty sure the Black and Red Hammers came out before then. I want to say that the Nail had the same core, and I want to say that that ball came out in '86, if not earlier. So let's assume '86. that puts Faball using the same core for 8 years or longer.

That's for (arguably) the best urethane ball out there. Seeing that the Zone is the longest running line of balls currently still in production, I could see this going on for a while (though I don't know if the Zone is still using the same core).

BL.

TenPinSniper

11-20-2009, 02:44 AM

Looks like a hard skid/flip to me... Will be passing on this one too. Even though I do like the colors.

BTW the video sounds like bowling ball porn or something.:D

It's "Nasty" :D Have to agree. Makes you appreciate Jeff's narration. (Hint, Hint)

NastyNate, it would seem this ball was made for you.

Thought the samething.

That was probably the worst video Hammer has made yet. Much better than nothing, but it was blurry, no info on ball layout/surface/lane condition. No comparison to other bowling balls, just us going "oooh, look at da ball go left".

Atleast compare to a Sting or JigSaw. Glad we got something, wonder if the rushed this one a bit.

Think about it this way.

By comparison, the last Faball Hammer to come out was the Burgundy, around 1993 - 1994. That was the last one with that core. I bought my Blue and Blue Pearl in 1989, and I'm pretty sure the Black and Red Hammers came out before then. I want to say that the Nail had the same core, and I want to say that that ball came out in '86, if not earlier. So let's assume '86. that puts Faball using the same core for 8 years or longer.

That's for (arguably) the best urethane ball out there. Seeing that the Zone is the longest running line of balls currently still in production, I could see this going on for a while (though I don't know if the Zone is still using the same core).

BL.

Remember I bought three Faball's in the late 90's... Purple Claw, Nail and Sledge Hammer.

Remember when the Zone where "the ball" in the late 90's... They could have stamped Zone on the side of anything and it would have sold.

xFlynHawaiian9x

11-20-2009, 07:51 PM

i'm a huge fan of the balck widow series and i agree the movie does make it sound like bowling porno lol but when i first watched the vid my laptop was on silent and it still gave me a full on chub lol can't wait

xFlynHawaiian9x

11-20-2009, 07:56 PM

I seen the Black Widow Killer in Japan last Year pretty wicked ball just to expensive to by and bring back with me.

where did you find this ball i've been searching everywhere and can't even find anyhting out about it.

idlehourlegend

11-20-2009, 09:18 PM

The LAST Black Widow.....:)

TenPinSniper

11-20-2009, 10:04 PM

where did you find this ball i've been searching everywhere and can't even find anyhting out about it.

As his post stated in Japan.

xFlynHawaiian9x

11-20-2009, 10:52 PM

As his post stated in Japan.

i know i just figured there would be something on the net about the ball thats all just wanted to look at it or something never heard of it so i was curious

TenPinSniper

11-21-2009, 02:14 AM

xFlynHawaiian9x

11-22-2009, 11:45 AM

http://www.legend-star.com/

Here is a good link... the good thing is if the coverstock is named something we have, it's just renamed and has different colors.

They get more releases, since the distributor's have exculsive contracts to only care certain products. (If that makes any sense.)

sweet the one thing that i love about the widow line is that every new widow is the "deadliest yet" and "most agresive back end ever on a widow" i love it though