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[wreckingballs]

Hello, I was wondering if anyone could tell me what hammer ball is good for heavy to medium oil condition, for someone that throws the ball kind of fast. I dont throw a big hook, but I like my ball to move. Currently I throw a black 2001 hammer, and before that a 3D violet, and before that a blue hammer. I was leaning towards the power diesel, but I dont know for sure. Also should I get the ball drilled the same way or something new.

[pba6285]

Talk to you local pro shop professional. They will be able to watch you bowl and recommend a ball and drilling pattern best suited for you.

[macflow]

^true

but for the record I just got a Diesel Particle before the fall season

I throw the ball hard, not with a lot of revs or anything, so I need something that moves on it's own...and it does, very nicely might I add. Our lane conditions are normally medium to medium/heavy on oil, and it'll cut through it.

It's my fave ball ever, and I got it dirt cheap...cuz it's out of production now I believe (check Ebay)

good luck in your findings though

[Wiz Of Cincy]

I think the Big Block Diesel may work well for you. Since you want this ball to work in Heavy, Med-Heavy, and Medium oil you have to find a medium aggression drill pattern. Then move your feet and target boards matched up to the oil pattern.

Drill pattern:

Pin 4" from PAP; can have CG stacked or at grip. May want to swing out the CG to allow for a balance hole later if you want the ball to roll/turn/hook earlier. I'd have the proshop guy sand the ball down to 800 grit. You can take it up or down again later if you want more or less hook. This is for Medium Flare Potential and Medium/med-heavy Lane Conditions .
Buy the ball between 2" - 4" Pin Out Ball and between 2 - 4 oz Top Weight. You should always have fingertip grips installed and thumb slugs.

Read some of my other replies for different pattern layouts. Not knowing how your other balls are drilled its harder to answer your question. You should have four different balls in your arsenal. (try getting different RGs, Differentials, layouts, and surface materials)

1. Oily-lane ball. (particle, dull surface, strong layout)
2. Benchmark ball. (first out of bag, made for medium+ oil, use to gage lane)
3. Dry-lane ball. (pearlized, higher grit on surface, weaker layout-long)
4. Spare ball. (polyester or weak urethane)


WIZ

[shanerx2182]

As a pro shop operator and a staff member, I would reccommend the Power Diesel because of your high ball speed. The solid particle coverstock and the low RG weight block will get the ball rolling earlier and the added flip ring on top of the weight block will aid with continuation of movement through the pins. I have a friend/customer that averages close to 20 mph on his first ball and is always looking for something that will roll early on oil and I had to convince him to try this ball and he loves it. I also got him to try the Big Block Diesel, one of my personal favorites. I put the pin below the ring finger and kicked the CG out and down and a balance hole below the axis and it still does not roll early enough for him. Have sonme one that knows your game watch you and reccommend a ball for you.

Shane

[Wiz Of Cincy]

Shane's suggestion is great, except Wreckingballs wants this ball to work in medium oil as well as heavy. Thats why I picked a reactive resin ball and a semi-aggressive layout with plenty of room to make it more or less aggressive with balance hole or resurfacing. And BIG BLOCK DIESEL has a lower RG than Power Diesel.....but if he's going to bowl in a heavier than medium oil pattern for the most part then I whole heartily agree with Shane.


Wiz

[wreckingballs]

Well I ended up going with the big blue/big blue spare combo. I was told by my local pro shop that the particle ball will give me the most movement to compensate my ball speed. I think the diesel particle was also a recommendation, but they dont sell them anymore, except on some internet sites. I went with the local proshop because I like to support the small guy and you pay little more but you usually get better service. :) . I haven't thrown it yet but I will update you guys after I do. I was tempted to try other brand balls, but for some reason. Once you become a Hammerhead, it is hard to go with anything else. Thanks for the responses.

[Wiz Of Cincy]

I think you made a mistake. But if you drill it very aggressive and take the surface down and slow your ball speed down you may be ok. The Differential is virtually non-existant, so it will not make a hard turn to the pocket. It will be very predictable and consistant/stable. It should work fine for medium, but in heavy you'll be in trouble.

Just my 2 cents.



Wiz

[shanerx2182]

I agree...When I got my Big Blue I shined it out of the box and drilled it leverage with a small hole below the axis and pretty deep. I have average ball speed and high revs. This ball went forever before cornering and not the strongest of breakpoints, because of the particle. I took it back down with red Scotch Brite and it started earlier and became much more predictable for me, but was still not the heavy oil ball I was looking for.

On the note of coverstocks, the best tip that I ever got from a fellow staffer was that you really should try the ball first with the factory finish and the tweek as needed. It is nearly impossible to duplicate the factory finish once you have altered it.

Good Luck with the Big Blue, I do hope it works for you.

Shane