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dw800seeker
06-04-2007, 04:18 PM
I am planning on getting Red Vibe in a couple of weeks and wanted to talk about drilling.
I was telling my driller that I want the Vibe to go behind my other balls for driest conditions and shorter pba conditions. He told me I should drill this "weak ball" strong.
I was thinking weak ball weak to give me greater length. He told me for longer ball I should get really strong ball drilled weak.
What do you think? Maybe I will get the Anger drilled weak to go really long?
dw800seeker
06-04-2007, 04:28 PM
I was just checking the Tech portion of the website. There are drilling instructions for the new balls coming out. I looked at the Red Vibe, BWP and Anger instructions.:D
It is interesting how the more time you look and think about these things the more stuff kind of soaks in. Now I can really see the importance of PAP. Same look as far as pin and CG goes seems to be able to be strong or long depending on distance the pin is from the PAP.
I believe my PAP is 4 1/2 and 1/2 up. But, I can not remember. I need to get it written down and put on my USBC card.
bluerrpilot
06-04-2007, 05:03 PM
I am planning on getting Red Vibe in a couple of weeks and wanted to talk about drilling.
I was telling my driller that I want the Vibe to go behind my other balls for driest conditions and shorter pba conditions. He told me I should drill this "weak ball" strong.
I was thinking weak ball weak to give me greater length. He told me for longer ball I should get really strong ball drilled weak.
What do you think? Maybe I will get the Anger drilled weak to go really long?
I like to drill "weak stuff" strong and "strong stuff" weak. It makes for very predicatble reactions. However, when I get the Cherry Vibe I will be putting the pin 6" from PAP above the middle finger. I too want a bit more lenght out of it.
dw800seeker
06-04-2007, 05:53 PM
Bluerpilot: That is what I was thinking to have pin over. Maybe I can put pin over ring finger but closer, like 4-5 inches to PAP, for long and strong!
aigaios
06-04-2007, 08:53 PM
I have my purple vibe drilled weak... On a medium house shot it's really fun to throw because it's so flippy.
bigman366
06-04-2007, 09:02 PM
Bluerpilot: That is what I was thinking to have pin over. Maybe I can put pin over ring finger but closer, like 4-5 inches to PAP, for long and strong!
Long and strong sonds cool to me. How would that compare to a Black Widow???
BM
Gryndryno
06-04-2007, 09:29 PM
i have my original vibe drilled with the pin over the ring for length and plan on doing the exact same with the red vibe
JoshWithrow
06-04-2007, 09:55 PM
i have my original vibe drilled with the pin over the ring for length and plan on doing the exact same with the red vibe
Why have 2 almost identical balls, with identical cores, drilled almost identically?
bluerrpilot
06-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Bluerpilot: That is what I was thinking to have pin over. Maybe I can put pin over ring finger but closer, like 4-5 inches to PAP, for long and strong!
You will get more length out of the ball and less flare potential with the pin further from you PAP. YOu could also put the pin higher above your ring too.
Is it me or the picture. But the core on the Cherry looks a little shorter and more rounded at the bottom. If thats the case, shouldnt it make it more "rev happy"
bluerrpilot
06-04-2007, 10:03 PM
Why have 2 almost identical balls, with identical cores, drilled almost identically?
Because the cover will dictate a different reaction.
Gryndryno
06-04-2007, 10:12 PM
Why have 2 almost identical balls, with identical cores, drilled almost identically?
It is a fair question, and I am not going to act like there will be a huge difference between the two balls, But I have had success having similar balls (sharp blade/sling blade), (road hawg/hawg wild) and soon (black widow/black widow pearl), (purple vibe, cherry vibe) and in july (total NV, NVS) all drilled with the same length pin and with the widows and nvs the same angle to the bias. I had a smooth transition from the sharp to sling when lanes were changing and I am setting myself up hopefully for similar smooth moves, maybe not, we will see. But the cherry vibe will go longer and when I am starting to go high in the pocket with my purple vibe, I will simply go to the cherry and that small difference in reaction will keep me able to throw the same speed and revs etc.
long winded, but I hope I got my idea across.
blistershurt
06-04-2007, 10:21 PM
Usually weaker pin positions create more length and less hook, so go with that if its gonna be your bone dry ball...I might get one and get it laid out like that.
JoshWithrow
06-05-2007, 01:00 AM
It is a fair question, and I am not going to act like there will be a huge difference between the two balls, But I have had success having similar balls (sharp blade/sling blade), (road hawg/hawg wild) and soon (black widow/black widow pearl), (purple vibe, cherry vibe) and in july (total NV, NVS) all drilled with the same length pin and with the widows and nvs the same angle to the bias. I had a smooth transition from the sharp to sling when lanes were changing and I am setting myself up hopefully for similar smooth moves, maybe not, we will see. But the cherry vibe will go longer and when I am starting to go high in the pocket with my purple vibe, I will simply go to the cherry and that small difference in reaction will keep me able to throw the same speed and revs etc.
long winded, but I hope I got my idea across.
That's what I assumed (with less detail of course because I'm not familiar with all of your equipment) but wanted to be sure. Makes perfect sense.
Street Racer
06-05-2007, 02:01 AM
i cant see why you even asked this question? (and i'm not have a go at you, i just want you to think about this)
why drill a weak ball with a strong driller? it basicly just defeats the purpose of the ball
Dr Blade
i cant see why you even asked this question? (and i'm not have a go at you, i just want you to think about this)
why drill a weak ball with a strong driller? it basicly just defeats the purpose of the ball
Dr Blade
No it doesn't, it is fairly common to do this.
Street Racer
06-05-2007, 07:20 AM
No it doesn't, it is fairly common to do this.
i know it doesnt, but you get what i mean hey? i have drilled a particle to go long once..
i know it doesnt, but you get what i mean hey? i have drilled a particle to go long once..
I think I understood your question. Layout is just another tool to create different ball reactions, particulary on toughter shots.
dw800seeker
06-05-2007, 09:17 AM
Streetracer:
I am coming from happy place. The reason I started this thread is because it was hard for me to get my head around the idea of Weak ball drilled strong and Strong ball drilled weak. It seems like different ways at ending up in the same place. And, I do not want an entire arsenal of the same response. That would be ammo (I guess) and not arsenal.:D
I recently sold my No Mercy because I had it drilled to be so weak that I could not find a condition that I felt comfortable using it on. I guess that sort of answers my question. If I can not bowl with strong ball drilled weak, then I certainly can not bowl with weak ball drilled weak.
Street Racer
06-06-2007, 12:22 AM
me and my friend(brunswick staffer) was talking about this, and well he said why dont you just use simple drillings?? and more of the convo went on etc..
i reckon you do need a vibe in your arsenal, cause you have no weaker balls, prob the razor blade is the weakest maybe even the toxic, just depending on surfaces really.. but yeh
i do get what you are saying... but yeh,.. tuff question lol
grayfin68
06-06-2007, 07:15 AM
Something that I noticed on the Hammer site is that they changed their format for the ball drilling instructions. Something odd that I noticed is that they shifted the pin placements left for a lot of their drillings. Did anyone else notice that?
I was just checking the Tech portion of the website. There are drilling instructions for the new balls coming out. I looked at the Red Vibe, BWP and Anger instructions.:D
It is interesting how the more time you look and think about these things the more stuff kind of soaks in. Now I can really see the importance of PAP. Same look as far as pin and CG goes seems to be able to be strong or long depending on distance the pin is from the PAP.
I believe my PAP is 4 1/2 and 1/2 up. But, I can not remember. I need to get it written down and put on my USBC card.
Something that I noticed on the Hammer site is that they changed their format for the ball drilling instructions. Something odd that I noticed is that they shifted the pin placements left for a lot of their drillings. Did anyone else notice that?
From what I can tell the instructions are the same, in regards to pin to pap distances and mb locations for strong assymetric balls. (the NM page has changed quite a bit)
The diagrams have changed now that they are separated by ball tracks. Hopefully this will be an aide to "sub par ball drillers" who weren't considering PAP coordinates when drilling.
Street Racer
06-06-2007, 04:41 PM
I believe my PAP is 4 1/2 and 1/2 up. But, I can not remember. I need to get it written down and put on my USBC card.
just noticed something.. i think your PAP is the same as mine.......
i will have to double check...
Dr Blade
Street Racer
06-06-2007, 07:48 PM
my PAP is close to yours. i'm 4 3/4 and 1/2 up
Dr Blade
grayfin68
06-06-2007, 09:13 PM
From what I can tell the instructions are the same, in regards to pin to pap distances and mb locations for strong assymetric balls. (the NM page has changed quite a bit)
The diagrams have changed now that they are separated by ball tracks. Hopefully this will be an aide to "sub par ball drillers" who weren't considering PAP coordinates when drilling.
I think more of the drillings have the pin further left than on the old sheets. I see what you're saying about the ball tracks though. I'm a low tracker; and I should really change my layouts from now on. It may help me get more hook. All of my balls are drilled for medium track.
Nascar4292
06-07-2007, 02:24 PM
man i dont see why people wont listen to me lol about the CROSSFIRE it is an EBONITE i was given one by a guy and i had 2 of them......i gave one to another guy and he LOVES IT.....it is a good ball for dry lanes as well i usually use it all night long it is that versatile. Hits great and i LOVE IT. Have bowled 289 and 300 with it and ALOT of 260's. seriously just buy this ball it is cheap the same price as the vibe and it has better backend in my opinion considering i own both vibe and crossfire
Gryndryno
06-07-2007, 04:15 PM
man i dont see why people wont listen to me lol about the CROSSFIRE it is an EBONITE i was given one by a guy and i had 2 of them......i gave one to another guy and he LOVES IT.....it is a good ball for dry lanes as well i usually use it all night long it is that versatile. Hits great and i LOVE IT. Have bowled 289 and 300 with it and ALOT of 260's. seriously just buy this ball it is cheap the same price as the vibe and it has better backend in my opinion considering i own both vibe and crossfire
never heard of the crossfire, unless you are talking about the car. They are sort of funny looking and I can't imagine they carry enough balls.
ps, I checked out the specs on the cross fire, it is easier to get revs on with a lower RG but the Original Vibe has the same length with a stronger back end, I am glad you are happy with your cross fire but I believe the Vibe beats it.
dw800seeker
06-07-2007, 04:29 PM
I looked on ebay and there are no Crossfires in 15 pounds. lol.
Is that some old ball? I am pretty sure I have not seen one in my local proshops either.
RG Diff/Flare Torque Length Backend Total Hook
Hammer Blue Vibe Pearl06/2006 3.2 6.3 5.5 16.0 14.0 44.0
Ebonite Cross Fire Pearl 06/2005 2.1 6.6 6.0 17.0 13.0 41.0
Nascar4292
06-07-2007, 07:09 PM
haha well i do have both and let me say that i am more happy with my crossfire than the vibe anyday.....thats why the vibe stays at the house....if someone wants to buy it...it is up for sale just offer something only like 50 games on it if even that. had it for a month in my bag then got the toxic and took it out when on dry lanes it didnt do crap for me. but yes the crossfire is about a year old and probably the MOST underrated ball. i was the first to use it at my house as am i usually with all balls and then people see how good i bowl and they get one. now ALOT of people have it and LOVE it look at bowlingball.com for it i think it is like 76.99 with free shipping. like i said i want to sell my vibe too it is blue vibe 15lb
Nascar4292
06-07-2007, 07:10 PM
oh and it carries SOOOOOO Well
Nascar4292
06-07-2007, 07:35 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/15lb-Ebonite-CROSS-FIRE-Reactive-Bowling-Ball_W0QQitemZ250126419922QQihZ015QQcategoryZ36105 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
there i found one on ebay...........trust me i would go with this one i have owned both and LOVE the crossfire.....i own the crossfire, toxic, total NV, and Odyssey and the crossfire is still the best ball i have ever thrown in my life. seriously i love this ball thats why the vibe is at the house in the laundry room is because of this ball. i have had this ball for a year and half and only had to get it resurfaced once and baked once with the revivor and it snapped back into shape but thats because i didnt clean it like i should of bowled 30 games on it then went out to sea.......OIL stayed in it. but now it has the nice arc it had.
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