BWP no-X hole

[crony022]

I've been using a Doom, Toxic, and Pain all drilled without X-holes, and bowling just fine with all of them. I have considered getting a BWP but after I looked at all the pictures of the drilling on the other post I have not seen a BWP witout an X-hole. Is is absolutely necessary to have an X-hole, can't you just shift the cg in line and throw the ball as it is intended to roll? Help?????:confused:

[Street Racer]

i only use x-hole to legal up the ball...... i try to stay away from them, but if they need a x-hole they need it.... but you dont have to have one if the ball is legal to the rules....

and if you drill everything up the same... u will basicly get the same reaction out of everysingle ball, a arsenal of balls is suppose to give you a shot on everysingle lane conodition... dry-meduim-heavy and a couple of different ball for different entry angle for tournaments etc....

[bluerrpilot]

and if you drill everything up the same... u will basicly get the same reaction out of everysingle ball, a arsenal of balls is suppose to give you a shot on everysingle lane conodition... dry-meduim-heavy and a couple of different ball for different entry angle for tournaments etc....

Thats not entirely true. I have used a few of the same balls with the same layout and used different cover preps to give me different results. Plus I have a blue vibe and doom drill the same and they give me totally different looks.

[Street Racer]

true, but of course if you changed the surface u will get a different reactions...... but seriously, would you drilled up your arsenal all the same drillings?

[Rowdy]

The X hole in my Pearl is to keep it legal and hooking strong.If I was bowling against someone who had the same ball as mine (layout,etc) with NO X hole i would be asking someone to weigh that puppy to make sure it's legal.If I get beat,fine.No problem with that.But I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some chump beat me with an outlaw ball!

[Rowdy]

Street Racer,the only way I would drill 'em the same is if they were from the same family,like both Widows.Otherwise,no. I'm gonna let Quest36X tell me what HE thinks is the best layout for THAT ball.Then we'll discuss it from there until we figure out what the ball needs.

[bluerrpilot]

...... but seriously, would you drilled up your arsenal all the same drillings?

Absolutly. Lets say you took a Doom, Blue Vibe, Pain and BW and drilled them with the same 4 1/2 x 4 1/2 and left the covers OOB, you will get different looks at the pocket with each ball for the same lane condition.

[bluerrpilot]

This would be for someone with less experiance as well. It would take alot of confusion out of play for them.

[Street Racer]

Street Racer,the only way I would drill 'em the same is if they were from the same family,like both Widows.Otherwise,no. I'm gonna let Quest36X tell me what HE thinks is the best layout for THAT ball.Then we'll discuss it from there until we figure out what the ball needs.

yeh same... but before we were talking about 2 different balls that werent in the same series

i dont know your shot or nothing like that, and i will get my head biten off and mince for sold at your local supermarket for saying this and get told i'm tottaly wrong by somebody for saying this...

i reckon u should drill the bwp skid/flip give you more length and a bigger backend.... how is the black widow drilled? or how r u going to get your new black widow solid drilled?

[TenPinSniper]

I have a couple drilled different... But the most of the stuff I get have spin off of the same drilling, with slight adjustments with pin position, but most of them would be within a 1.5 inches of each other. Nothing is drill the same as another some are just close.

Remember coverstock will effect the ball a ton more than drilling.

What would be even worse, would be to change all your coverstocks so that they all react the same way. Think between all of my balls I have several different types of reactions.

[Rowdy]

Street Racer-You called it right.It's a skid/flip on the Pearl and I'll have Quest36X drill the solid the same way.I'm hoping that once the BW starts to go away I can switch over to the BWP and keep on Hammerin'!:D That sound about right?

[TenPinSniper]

Asked my guy about some different drilling, his comment was you always comeback to what you like. Reading into this... just keep balls around with different reactions... modify surfaces as needed to get good read for lanes.


Think about it you have:
Reactive, Particles
Textured Surfaced Pearls, Solid, Pearls
Polished, Dulled at all sorts of grits.

[Street Racer]

Street Racer-You called it right.It's a skid/flip on the Pearl and I'll have Quest36X drill the solid the same way.I'm hoping that once the BW starts to go away I can switch over to the BWP and keep on Hammerin'!:D That sound about right?

i cant see nothing wrong with it....

i'm going to get my pearl drilled skid/flip...

[xGatez]

What makes a ball illegal?

On that same note what would a ball that is illegal do?

[TenPinSniper]

What they are referring to with x-holes... they are generally used to bring the ball back into weight limits... no more than 1 oz side to side and top to bottom.

Weight would aid in more hook.

[Rowdy]

An illegal ball would be one in which the side to side and/or top to bottom weights are NOT within USBC specs.If your driller doesn't spend a good 15 minutes weighing the ball from all 6 axies BEFORE he starts to drill,and the same AFTER he's done to make sure the ball is legal,I wouldn't do anymore business with him.And then take the ball somewhere else to be checked.Too much weight on one side or the other of the ball will either give you the baddest hook you've ever seen,or it will help the ball stay on track into the pocket when everyone else is sliding thru the break.Aside from everything else,you DON"T want to be the guy with the rep for throwing a juiced ball!!!You won't be welcomed with open arms at leagues or tournaments.And every guy you beat is going to embarrass you by demanding that your ball be weighed every time!Yuck:(

[ravenhammer]

I have not seen a BWP witout an X-hole. Is is absolutely necessary to have an X-hole
Nope none here (http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?t=3324) in either my BW or BWP

[crony022]

According to Brunswick the placement of the cg is does not have much effect on the reaction of the bowling ball. They are saying the the pin has more to do with overall reaction than cg. So why then does the USBC go 1 ounce side weight rule relative to cg if it does not have much to do with reaction? Like I mentioned before my doom,toxic, and pain all have a differnet reactions even though they are drilled very much the same. The coverstock is what changes the reaction where I bowl. Which is on wood by the way. I looked at the BWP that was posted without a X-hole and I believe that I will continue to go that way thinking that the reactions will not be severly different. That way I won't have to worry about it being legal and taking extra weight out of my ball when the reactions are not going to be that much different anyway. I don't think anyone can form an opionion otherwise unless they drill out 2 BWP's and have them drilled extremely differnet then try them on the same condition.

If they are not that much differnet than USBC might as well throw out thier ounce rule.

Does USBC even do testing? I imagine that the ball companies are doing the testing, they should know better than USBC.

[slap]

According to Brunswick the placement of the cg is does not have much effect on the reaction of the bowling ball. They are saying the the pin has more to do with overall reaction than cg. So why then does the USBC go 1 ounce side weight rule relative to cg if it does not have much to do with reaction?

That brunswick video is a point on contention among bowlers far smarter than me. The counter argument to that video is the relationship of the cg to x holes. Some argue that ball can have a layout with the cg is offset enough to require an X hole and that the location of that x hole will affect the balls motion.

If you don't believe X holes have an effect, check out this video by Brunsnick.

http://www.brunsnick.com/bowling_ball_x_hole_video.html



Like I mentioned before my doom,toxic, and pain all have a differnet reactions even though they are drilled very much the same.
The coverstock is what changes the reaction where I bowl. Which is on wood by the way.

It's generally accepted that the coverstock is 70% of a balls reaction.

I looked at the BWP that was posted without a X-hole and I believe that I will continue to go that way thinking that the reactions will not be severly different. That way I won't have to worry about it being legal and taking extra weight out of my ball when the reactions are not going to be that much different anyway. I don't think anyone can form an opionion otherwise unless they drill out 2 BWP's and have them drilled extremely differnet then try them on the same condition.

Be careful here. It's not a direct comparison between your RAW Hammers to the BW, or any other strong mass bias ball. You have to account for the location of the mass bias in these balls.

[TenPinSniper]

Most ball manufactures, if not all of them agree that CG placement does not effect ball motion in Symmetrical cored bowling balls. Weight holes do effect ball motion in all balls. Now CG/MB can and will effect ball motion in Asymmetrical cored bowling balls. Mass Bias is one of the most important factors in Asymmetrical cored bowling balls.