What The Hell

[Tinkerbell]

Every since I leave all of you turn into a bunch of little brats again. Did you forget That YOU DON'T OWN THE WEB-SITE. Some of you have in the past sent me PM saying you were sorry for your behavior. For a while things were great and you could get advice without the fight.

As for you JOSH. If you are so damn good at everything, where is your name in the record books and where are you awards for everything. What, you don't know everything? THEN STOP ACTING LIKE YOU HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT ALL.

Can-ham, tenpin and some of the rest of you, I thought a lot better of you then the way you have been behaveing lately. My understanding was that you were real gentlemen, but real gentle men don't behave like grayfin and josh.

I said good-bye because all I saw was a bunch of grown ups acting like 5 year olds on this site. so unless all of you have you pics of your trophy's from winning on the tour or tape of you on tv. just offer the best help you can and don 't bitch because some one says something else that you don't like.

[Young300]

I agree with you Tink.

But the fact that Rowdy isn't letting it die is getting annoying. I know he did what he had to do, and that is defend you, I get that perfectly fine. But it would have been a better idea not to issue a bet because now it's infecting everyone.

It's stupid and pathetic that adults are acting like this through "cyberspace". It's something that I thought I was finally rid of when I came over here from the Columbia 300 forums... Too good to be true, eh?

[bluerrpilot]

Im sorry I dont even know whats going on but I had to throw this in. Please dont be offended. :D

Arguing with someone on the internet is like mud wrestling with a pig. After a while you realize the pig likes it.

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

[Crusher279757]

I think everyone needs to start acting like 6 year olds, instead of 5 year olds. :D

[can-ham]

Tink nice to see you back, even if it is just to play Mom for a post or two.

Look I've talked to you in the past about this and I've tried to hold my breath for a long time. But Rowdy's crap train never really stops does it, and I'm guessing you know better than anyone else here. Your husband goes out of his way to start fights in this forum bottom line. It's a free speech forum (except for vulgarity ) so Rowdy can post what ever he likes and if I or someone else doesn't like it we have the right to post about it and the circle of drama can continue.


Look you are a cool Lady and I'm positive Rowdy probably isn't this much of a jerk in person. He has posted a lot of good posts and helped a bunch of people. But crap he brings with him is not worth it.


[Added 08/20/2007] - Just adding a comment here as I don't want to add a post and bump this to the top. I've gotten into it with Rowdy a bunch of times in fact I may have been the first. It is not for the sake of drama, I just don't like to see people pick on others on this site. Rowdy's business and some one standing up to him will always seem like drama until it's directed at you. If you don't like it please don't read it. If you don't like the conflict and resolution process please stop reading it and definitely don't respond to it or create new threads about it. So if your reading this long thread from the beginning, by the time you get to the end you will have an opinion one way or another. I will suggest to keep it to your self and let this thing die once and for all.

Moving forward let's stick to bowling, fun and report the abusive posts as opposed to try and take on the idiots who post it.

[SplitMaster]

Popcorn anyone? This crap is hilarious......!!!!!!

[Sin City Hammer]

Let's call a spade a spade.

While the people who are having it out with Rowdy would like to say he's totally to blame, it just isn't like that because you have those who have continued to keep this crap going after a few of us have tried to ask for this crap to end once and for all.

Hell, just go through the Hammer spare ball thread I started by asking a simple damn question, and how over the 7-8+ pages it's gone from my original question to a spam fest of insults for what seems to be 5-6 people in general.

Hell, those people that have issues with Rowdy and himself, either settle it on the bowling lanes or all chip in a get a counsler to settle this once and for all, and keep it off the forums.

How what happened between Josh and Tinkerbell in real life made it to the message boards is kinda suprising since most people here don't even know what said between them, and don't even have the full story (myself included). It sure seems this continues in almost every thread that these people post in, and should stay in either one thread or in the PM's where it really belongs.

I don't believe Hammer made their message boards to promote the constant flaming, but to give a place where the loyal HammerHeads can go to find/possibly meet fellow HammerHeads in real life, and to help future HammerHeads with questions they might have.

THE QUESTION NOW IS: WHAT CAN BE DONE TO MAKE THIS STOP AND KEEP IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN?

[steveo#3]

I agree...this crap should stop...we are all adults here and this is a forum for bowling...not petty bitching..I don't know what happened nor do I care...but what I do care about is bowling

[JoshWithrow]

Dearest Tinkerbell,

It won't stop because Rowdy's a miserable old man with a manic "woe-is-me to I'm-so-macho" syndrome who likes to bring his wife into things for the sake of doing so and then pretend that things happened which didn't to try and make himself feel better about living a worthless life.

I don't pretend to know anything that I don't. Hell, I ask more questions around here than most people. Apparently I ask alot of stupid questions, too. You know, because the all knowing Rowdy's smartarse replies imply this. Does that imply my all knowing attitude? If so it's a new one to all of us. I don't walk around here spouting scores, pretending to be as good or better than the next man (especially on THS's while I try to downtalk sport shots LOL), being Mr. Macho-on-the-Internets, trying to pick a fight with anybody and everybody for the sake of appeasing my miserable, little, insignificant, meaningless life like Rowdy. I don't come around with a pompous attitude, pretending that my shat don't stink, stroking my own ego, talking myself up to make me feel better about my lackluster life. I don't come here spouting off about drama that never occurred in an attempt to win at the internet to make up for my gigantic failure at real life. I don't whine and complain about my back, craving attention for my misfortunes, blaming all of my problems on society and all the people that don't see things my way. Just look around... you'd have to be blind or stupid to not see what your little jackass of a husband is doing around here.

Tink, take it as you wish... you have no idea what you're talking about so stop pretending to. And in the event that you actually DO know what you're talking about stop pretending that everybody but you two drama queens is causing problems. Rowdy coming here and causing all sorts of unnecessary drama is enough without you coming in to back him up when he's WRONG. So please just go back to where you came from.

Or would you like to finally let us all know what I said that had you in tears over the anonymous words typed on the internet? Because I've had 2 people login to my account, read all the PM's, review public posts, who can't figure out what could have been said to upset you. No harsh words exchanged privately, nothing. So for the sake of all that is good, I present you with the same set of options... put up or shut up. If you don't fulfill then that will be both of you that couldn't produce anything to validate the worth of any of this drama.

That is, unless this is Rowdy logged in as Tinkerbell... and I wouldn't put it past him.

So my final piece is said UNLESS something worth replying to turns up. There lie your options. Dodge them more if you like, it'll only prove that you're chock full of poo-poo-kaka. And in the event you want to keep polluting the forums with more garbage, my report button (along with at least 8 others) will be firing off consistently until the Rainman is silenced by one means or another.


Lovingly,

Mr. Knows It All Super Duper Macho Bowls The Bestest Evar Dirt Bike Kid

[indian]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

As a person with a special son I find this statement purely immature and very ignorant not to mention personally offensive. This forum has gotten more like a damn soap opera every day and its humiliating to be a part of it. I came to this forum to learn and pass on information whenever I can but its impossible because every thread turns into a damn cat fight between a few people. Hammer should be ashamed to operate a forum such as this one. I, for one, no longer want to be a part of it.

[grayfin68]

Every since I leave all of you turn into a bunch of little brats again. Did you forget That YOU DON'T OWN THE WEB-SITE. Some of you have in the past sent me PM saying you were sorry for your behavior. For a while things were great and you could get advice without the fight.

As for you JOSH. If you are so damn good at everything, where is your name in the record books and where are you awards for everything. What, you don't know everything? THEN STOP ACTING LIKE YOU HAVE THE ANSWER FOR IT ALL.

Can-ham, tenpin and some of the rest of you, I thought a lot better of you then the way you have been behaveing lately. My understanding was that you were real gentlemen, but real gentle men don't behave like grayfin and josh.

I said good-bye because all I saw was a bunch of grown ups acting like 5 year olds on this site. so unless all of you have you pics of your trophy's from winning on the tour or tape of you on tv. just offer the best help you can and don 't bitch because some one says something else that you don't like.

Apparently you do not read your husband's posts. When you can objectively defend your husband's actions on this board, come back and talk.

[Cashbowl Matt1103]

Dearest Tinkerbell,

It won't stop because Rowdy's a miserable old man with a manic "woe-is-me to I'm-so-macho" syndrome who likes to bring his wife into things for the sake of doing so and then pretend that things happened which didn't to try and make himself feel better about living a worthless life.

I don't pretend to know anything that I don't. Hell, I ask more questions around here than most people. Apparently I ask alot of stupid questions, too. You know, because the all knowing Rowdy's smartarse replies imply this. Does that imply my all knowing attitude? If so it's a new one to all of us. I don't walk around here spouting scores, pretending to be as good or better than the next man (especially on THS's while I try to downtalk sport shots LOL), being Mr. Macho-on-the-Internets, trying to pick a fight with anybody and everybody for the sake of appeasing my miserable, little, insignificant, meaningless life like Rowdy. I don't come around with a pompous attitude, pretending that my shat don't stink, stroking my own ego, talking myself up to make me feel better about my lackluster life. I don't come here spouting off about drama that never occurred in an attempt to win at the internet to make up for my gigantic failure at real life. I don't whine and complain about my back, craving attention for my misfortunes, blaming all of my problems on society and all the people that don't see things my way. Just look around... you'd have to be blind or stupid to not see what your little jackass of a husband is doing around here.

Tink, take it as you wish... you have no idea what you're talking about so stop pretending to. And in the event that you actually DO know what you're talking about stop pretending that everybody but you two drama queens is causing problems. Rowdy coming here and causing all sorts of unnecessary drama is enough without you coming in to back him up when he's WRONG. So please just go back to where you came from.

Or would you like to finally let us all know what I said that had you in tears over the anonymous words typed on the internet? Because I've had 2 people login to my account, read all the PM's, review public posts, who can't figure out what could have been said to upset you. No harsh words exchanged privately, nothing. So for the sake of all that is good, I present you with the same set of options... put up or shut up. If you don't fulfill then that will be both of you that couldn't produce anything to validate the worth of any of this drama.

That is, unless this is Rowdy logged in as Tinkerbell... and I wouldn't put it past him.

So my final piece is said UNLESS something worth replying to turns up. There lie your options. Dodge them more if you like, it'll only prove that you're chock full of poo-poo-kaka. And in the event you want to keep polluting the forums with more garbage, my report button (along with at least 8 others) will be firing off consistently until the Rainman is silenced by one means or another.


Lovingly,

Mr. Knows It All Super Duper Macho Bowls The Bestest Evar Dirt Bike Kid

Josh, I think you're a cool dude, but why do you gotta be cruel to Rowdy and fight? I mean you always see little 5 year olds fighting but dude, you're 27. You don't even really know Rowdy, except on an online forum. My uncle is you're age and I don't see him going anywhere calling people old farts. You are acting a little immature dude.:o

[Tinkerbell]

Dearest Tinkerbell,

It won't stop because Rowdy's a miserable old man with a manic "woe-is-me to I'm-so-macho" syndrome who likes to bring his wife into things for the sake of doing so and then pretend that things happened which didn't to try and make himself feel better about living a worthless life.

I don't pretend to know anything that I don't. Hell, I ask more questions around here than most people. Apparently I ask alot of stupid questions, too. You know, because the all knowing Rowdy's smartarse replies imply this. Does that imply my all knowing attitude? If so it's a new one to all of us. I don't walk around here spouting scores, pretending to be as good or better than the next man (especially on THS's while I try to downtalk sport shots LOL), being Mr. Macho-on-the-Internets, trying to pick a fight with anybody and everybody for the sake of appeasing my miserable, little, insignificant, meaningless life like Rowdy. I don't come around with a pompous attitude, pretending that my shat don't stink, stroking my own ego, talking myself up to make me feel better about my lackluster life. I don't come here spouting off about drama that never occurred in an attempt to win at the internet to make up for my gigantic failure at real life. I don't whine and complain about my back, craving attention for my misfortunes, blaming all of my problems on society and all the people that don't see things my way. Just look around... you'd have to be blind or stupid to not see what your little jackass of a husband is doing around here.

Tink, take it as you wish... you have no idea what you're talking about so stop pretending to. And in the event that you actually DO know what you're talking about stop pretending that everybody but you two drama queens is causing problems. Rowdy coming here and causing all sorts of unnecessary drama is enough without you coming in to back him up when he's WRONG. So please just go back to where you came from.

Or would you like to finally let us all know what I said that had you in tears over the anonymous words typed on the internet? Because I've had 2 people login to my account, read all the PM's, review public posts, who can't figure out what could have been said to upset you. No harsh words exchanged privately, nothing. So for the sake of all that is good, I present you with the same set of options... put up or shut up. If you don't fulfill then that will be both of you that couldn't produce anything to validate the worth of any of this drama.

That is, unless this is Rowdy logged in as Tinkerbell... and I wouldn't put it past him.

So my final piece is said UNLESS something worth replying to turns up. There lie your options. Dodge them more if you like, it'll only prove that you're chock full of poo-poo-kaka. And in the event you want to keep polluting the forums with more garbage, my report button (along with at least 8 others) will be firing off consistently until the Rainman is silenced by one means or another.


Lovingly,

Mr. Knows It All Super Duper Macho Bowls The Bestest Evar Dirt Bike Kid

Josh, I don't defend Rowdy, but as he is my husband I do take offense when some one keeps after him for doing what they themselfs have done on this site. Now as for what he said about you making me cry, you didn't, however when I wrote to every one to say good-bye. Telling me to be a man is not the way to treat some onhe who has never done anything to you. You also didn't need to call me lame in one of your posts to Rowdy. As my husband he is very protective of me(as it should be.) And yes there have benn times on post when you have shot an answer right back at rowdy about a question someone asked commenting on how he gave the wrong answer. Now I have never been anything but polite to you, yet everytime I used to get on this web site you would make dumb comments in some of the posts. that had nothing to do with what was asked. Calling me a drama Queen is also not how grown ups behave. For a while you and rowdy got along just fine , then all of a sudden everything he did on the posts was annoying to you. I do not say it was all you or all him. Your right I do know that at times he can be the biggest pain in the ass, but then so can everyone. Just because I don't log on every day doesn't mean I don't read the web-site to keep learning. If you don't know everything then maybe you should learn to be more tolerant of people you have never meet.
As for grayfin, yes I sent the post. So report me. From the Day you started posting again you have had one comment after another to make about anything that rowdy posts. You say your are in the service, or were. Well I have never seen any6one so rude come out of the milatary in my life. You have shown no respect for what other people think. If you did you you not have a reply for everything rowdy has written. I really don't know you nor do I care to.
As for Josh maybe you can learn to meet someone before you play judge and jury on who and what they are. No he is not woe is me. He does live in Pain every day, If you don't then you can have nothing to say about what it is like. No he also does not play mr macho, Yes I do have a sense of humor about a lot of things,but rude people are not one of them. And just because he feels the need to protect me from the way some people can be doesn't make him an asshole. I will agree sometimes he can take it to far. But maybe you take it just as far as he does by commenting right back about whatever he said that you don't agree with.
Hey can- ham, yeah his language does need work and I do try very hard to make sure that he doesn't use curse words. I am not always around to remind him to use another word. Now like I said sometimes he can read something wrong and takes it the wrong way. And yes he should stop and think before he types. Sometimes he forgets to do that. As for what you and I did talk about you are right about some of it. But think Rowdy has not always been the one to start. And yes he should butt out if its not about him. I try to make sure that things go smooth for everyone he talks to on here, but some people just come right back at him and then it starts. By the way missed you too. And a lot of the others.
My answer to this whole mess is for everyone to take a deep breath and step back from this whole mess. If you don't want to talk to Rowdy fine then don't. All he wants to do on here is learn new things and try to help other bowlers if they ask for it. That is what this forum is for. Not acting like you hate evrything that is written by one person. I don't think that is what anyone wants.
So Josh if you will try not to antagonise rowdy I will try to keep him from doing the same to you. As for gray I could care a less about what he does or thinks. I have gone back through the threads since he has been back , and from the start nothing Rowdy wrote he liked. He had a reply for everything. Now if you want to try again say so. If not say that too.
The reason I left Is to get ready for some pearsonal things in my life that had no place on here. And nothing to do with this site. That is why I said good bye.
By the way Josh if you read your own post you did curse, so don't say that rowdy is the only one on here that does it. You can't have it both ways. If you want it want one way for rowdy then the same rules should apply to you. Other wise that makes you a hippocrite. He is also not whineing about his life, it is called talking to other people. I have seen other posts on here written by others about there medical problems, I have also seen you post about your web-site. Tell me what does your busniess have to do with this web-site? Nothing, but you wrote about it. So I guess you can't say he is the only one doing it. As far as validateing anything for you I don't fell that I have to. If you can't understand anything that I have written, oh well. It doesn't matter to me. I have replied out of courtesy and that is all. I have nothing to prove to you or any one else. The only person I have to every prove anything to is myself.
As for the rest of you that come here please let me know if Josh speaks for you. He has implied this in his post. If your not sure Josh then reread what you wrote, because the word US is more then one.

[vettevader]

two days ago, my sister's husband died ,after a prolonged bout with lung cancer...when something like that happens, you realize how short life is, and how little time we all have on this planet...i think it's time for all members involved in this dispute to lay down their gloves, call a truce. doesn't matter who's right, or who's wrong....it's time to forgive and forget, and move on...if not forgive, then at least get over it, and move on...life's too short to let these things get the best of us....we all have a love of bowling...that's what brought us all together...so let's put all the animosity behind, and make this a better forum.....

[grayfin68]

Tinkerbell;]
As for grayfin, yes I sent the post. So report me. From the Day you started posting again you have had one comment after another to make about anything that rowdy posts. You say your are in the service, or were. Well I have never seen any6one so rude come out of the milatary in my life. You have shown no respect for what other people think. If you did you you not have a reply for everything rowdy has written. I really don't know you nor do I care to.
As for gray I could care a less about what he does or thinks. I have gone back through the threads since he been back , and from the start nothing Rowdy wrote he liked. He had a reply for everything. Now if you want to try again say so. If not say that too.

Tinkerbell, I did report you for your abusive and threatening language you sent me to my PM box.
As for my service to my country, it has nothing to do with an internet message board, but I can promise you that I have done nothing but point out instances in which Rowdy has been a jerk to people on this forum and tried to counteract his abusiveness. What is wrong with that?
I have not replied to everything Rowdy has posted, only the garbage in which he treats people like they are idiots and insults them.
I do not wish to continue to have problems with either of you, but I will not accept threatening PMs or abusive behavior. So, if either of you continue to do it, I will continue to report it to the admins on this forum.

[grayfin68]

two days ago, my sister's husband died ,after a prolonged bout with lung cancer...when something like that happens, you realize how short life is, and how little time we all have on this planet...i think it's time for all members involved in this dispute to lay down their gloves, call a truce. doesn't matter who's right, or who's wrong....it's time to forgive and forget, and move on...if not forgive, then at least get over it, and move on...life's too short to let these things get the best of us....we all have a love of bowling...that's what brought us all together...so let's put all the animosity behind, and make this a better forum.....

I'm sorry for your loss. Seriously.

I'm all for a truce. I would enjoy a forum in which people are tolerant of each other and not jump down other poster's throats for simple things like repeat topics, asking questions that may seem stupid to the "experts" and so on.

Often times, the written word is harder to interpret than the spoken word because of the lack of being able to read a person's body language or hear voice inflections.

I think we often think people are more serious than they come across in text.

I apologize to the board in general for adding to the so-called "drama" and hope we can proceed without further incident.

[aigaios]

Some beef:

I've been here for a while now, and I don't post much, but now I feel called to. Whatever happened to seniority? What ever happened to respect for members of the board who've been cultivating this community for a long time (for clarification, I don't claim to be one)? Why is it that when Rowdy only showed up a few months ago posting messages with egregious grammar and formatting errors (I couldn't stand to read most of his earlier posts because of these problems), he can suddenly step in as THE MAN to provide overbearing, authoritative, and sometimes incredibly incorrect answers to new bowler's questions. :rolleyes:

Granted, the amount of posts he's made could fill a book. The problem is that volume or post count don't matter. Neither of those two things make someone credible. What makes a forum member valuable is whether or not a collection of their posts would make a good book. Sorry for the tired cliche, but it's about quality not quantity.

Josh and Grayfin have been here since before I got here, and they should get their respect. They both write informative posts and are happy to help a new person with adivce about surface adjustments etc. They sit alongside BubbaRay and Dr. Blade in the venerable halls of the diehard hammerheads.

I personally don't think the communications on the part of any party involved here were skillful on any level, but it wouldn't have even disintegrated into an imature mud slinging fest in the first place if Rowdy didn't post incorrect information all the time. Actually, you know what, it's not even that. It's the manner in which he posts his inaccurate info. Being an arrogant blowhard when you first join a board is certainly not a way to mke friends.


Tell you what though, I just reread my post, and I can't belive I just spent a piece (albeit a very small piece) of my day writing a rant on a bowling forum about a situation that I'm not even directly involved in.

I guess this is what they call board rage. It's just as bad as road rage, and worse because the idiots who succumb to it don't get elimated from the gene pool when they decide to do something stupid. :D

[grayfin68]

Some beef:

I've been here for a while now, and I don't post much, but now I feel called to. Whatever happened to seniority? What ever happened to respect for members of the board who've been cultivating this community for a long time (for clarification, I don't claim to be one)? Why is it that when Rowdy only showed up a few months ago posting messages with egregious grammar and formatting errors (I couldn't stand to read most of his earlier posts because of these problems), he can suddenly step in as THE MAN to provide overbearing, authoritative, and sometimes incredibly incorrect answers to new bowler's questions. :rolleyes:

Granted, the amount of posts he's made could fill a book. The problem is that volume or post count don't matter. Neither of those two things make someone credible. What makes a forum member valuable is whether or not a collection of their posts would make a good book. Sorry for the tired cliche, but it's about quality not quantity.

Josh and Grayfin have been here since before I got here, and they should get their respect. They both write informative posts and are happy to help a new person with adivce about surface adjustments etc. They sit alongside BubbaRay and Dr. Blade in the venerable halls of the diehard hammerheads.

I personally don't think the communications on the part of any party involved here were skillful on any level, but it wouldn't have even disintegrated into an imature mud slinging fest in the first place if Rowdy didn't post incorrect information all the time. Actually, you know what, it's not even that. It's the manner in which he posts his inaccurate info. Being an arrogant blowhard when you first join a board is certainly not a way to mke friends.


Tell you what though, I just reread my post, and I can't belive I just spent a piece (albeit a very small piece) of my day writing a rant on a bowling forum about a situation that I'm not even directly involved in.

I guess this is what they call board rage. It's just as bad as road rage, and worse because the idiots who succumb to it don't get elimated from the gene pool when they decide to do something stupid. :D

I appreciate your sentiment but I don't feel like I warrant any special respect for being a member of this forum longer than some others. This topic has nothing to do with seniority, nor should it.

And seniority certainly does not entitle any of us to treat a more junior member of the forum with less respect than others.

You make some good points though and it would be ideal if all of us would be tolerant of each other on the forum. To me, tolerance means accepting the ideas of others and not acting like your opinions are the only ones that matter.

Nobody on here needs to prove anything about their bowling "worthiness" to anyone, nor should they need to boast about their awards to be worthy of an opinion.

Most of us are capable of waiving the bull*&%^ flag when appropriate.

Anyway, good post!

[aigaios]

I appreciate your sentiment but I don't feel like I warrant any special respect for being a member of this forum longer than some others. This topic has nothing to do with seniority, nor should it.

And seniority certainly does not entitle any of us to treat a more junior member of the forum with less respect than others.


Thanks for the acknowledgement. :cool:

I should have been a little clearer with some of what I said... I don't necessarily think that duration of membership demands respect. I certainly don't think it demands any special kind of respect. The kind of respect I'm talking about is the kind that comes with being willing and able to answer peoples' questions and in general not being an idiot. It's the kind that is naturally assigned to those who have been of much help to a community.

As for having no entitlement to treat junior members of forums with less respect, I agree. I just meant to say that it wouldn't have started in the first place if basic manners had been observed.

I do think, however, that we all need to make sure that we are cultivating a hospitable, firendly enviornment. :cool:

-A

[grayfin68]

Thanks for the acknowledgement. :cool:

I should have been a little clearer with some of what I said... I don't necessarily think that duration of membership demands respect. I certainly don't think it demands any special kind of respect. The kind of respect I'm talking about is the kind that comes with being willing and able to answer peoples' questions and in general not being an idiot. It's the kind that is naturally assigned to those who have been of much help to a community.

As for having no entitlement to treat junior members of forums with less respect, I agree. I just meant to say that it wouldn't have started in the first place if basic manners had been observed.

I do think, however, that we all need to make sure that we are cultivating a hospitable, firendly enviornment. :cool:

-A

I know what you meant and I agree with you 100%.

[Rowdy]

Your beef lost it's flavor."Egregious grammar and formatting errors"? Shoot,no one said we were gonna be graded. And who cares,anyway?

Some posts on here I can't even read,between the text-like spelling and the lack of continuity of the post.

You've been here awhile and then you haven't. Which one is it?

Seniority has it's place,but this ain't the union hall. So it doesn't count here.

Where do you come off with this I'm the Man,stuff? No,really,I want an answer to this one.I've never claimed it,so how does this guy get the nerve to hang it on me? Defend your statement.

We want to be hospitable and Friendly(you spelled your's wrong) but that's AFTER you take a paragraph to call me an "Arrogant Blowhard"?Talk about hospitable and friendly,you need to take your own advice.

One last thing I want to know:Just what,exactly,did I do to YOU? You,personally.It must have been a doozy for you to write what you did.But that makes me wonder? I do belive that we're dealing with a bit of a faker here. Aren't we? Too many of Josh's favorite(read as old,tired lies) lines, and the other content is too ass kissy to be someone real.

Oh well. You have your fun and I'll have mine.When are we gonna roll?

[BubbaRay]

Can we cut all this crap out as of right now. Do this stuff in PM's. We are all here to help and learn, including myself. This crap is becomming personal with a few here and it's got to stop.

Let's get back to what this place is all about.


LET'S CUT IT OUT NOW !. PLEASE

[JoshWithrow]

Josh, I don't defend Rowdy, but as he is my husband I do take offense when some one keeps after him for doing what they themselfs have done on this site.

Nobody has done what he has done. He's alone on that one. Sorry, but you've already lost that argument.


Now as for what he said about you making me cry, you didn't, however when I wrote to every one to say good-bye. Telling me to be a man is not the way to treat some onhe who has never done anything to you.

Those were words of encouragement meant to tell you not to leave. Go read it again. Here, let me help you...

You tell Tink I said to be a man and the bigger man always comes back swinging... so... THERE...

In other words, don't leave. Solve the problem. All I was saying was trying to say is that I didn't want her leaving because somebody upset her. And I missed the remainder of that post. You know, I don't visit the forums everyday. So at times when I'm away for 2+ days and I come back the threads have all dropped a page or two.

That being said, I'm sorry that what I said brushed you wrong. All it would have taken was another PM between us and that would have been solved. See, that's how adults handle things. Instead Rainman decided to get into things by trying to be a big macho man over the intarwebs. And now here we are, right?


You also didn't need to call me lame in one of your posts to Rowdy. As my husband he is very protective of me(as it should be.)

No he's not, otherwise he wouldn't bring you into things all the time (especially when he's starting drama) and then suffer a manic episode while regretting his decision to do so.


Now I have never been anything but polite to you, yet everytime I used to get on this web site you would make dumb comments in some of the posts. that had nothing to do with what was asked.

You're right. And the only person who does that more than me is him. So don't pull that line. You've already lost in that regard, too.


Calling me a drama Queen is also not how grown ups behave. For a while you and rowdy got along just fine, then all of a sudden everything he did on the posts was annoying to you.

Yes... picking fights with other forum members, instigating lost causes, inciting drama around every corner, cussing and insulting CONSISTANTLY knowing that kids read the forums. And so I sent him a PM asking him not to be "that guy" to which everything was the other forum members fault and he was going to "teach them a lesson". All I tried to do was calm him down.

Instead, he kept right on going, so I publically asked him to stop, he ignored (like others knew he would), and I placed him on ignore. At that time he started having a huge problem with me. Don't believe me? Read the forum posts. The full record is there. When he started wanting to insult me for ignoring him due to inciting constant drama, then HE opened that can of worms.

Hm... you're losing this again. Josh: 3, Tink 1.


I do not say it was all you or all him. Your right I do know that at times he can be the biggest pain in the ass,

You ain't kiddin', sister.

but then so can everyone.

I beg to differ... your lame excuse for a man is the King of asshattery.


If you don't know everything then maybe you should learn to be more tolerant of people you have never meet.

For starters the beginning of that sentence has nothing to do with the end of it. Second, tolerance has been exhibited by everybody on this forum, EXCEPT Rainman Rowdy. He owes everybody more than an apology... he owes them his absence. He can't help himself. He can't. He has no control. Things just EAT HIM UP inside until he tries to "dis" or "own" somebody. He's a grudging, ugly, intolerant, unknowing (yet know-it-all in his own mind) kinda guy. And he lacks self control to top it all off. I feel sorry for you at this point.


As for Josh maybe you can learn to meet someone before you play judge and jury on who and what they are. No he is not woe is me. He does live in Pain every day, If you don't then you can have nothing to say about what it is like. No he also does not play mr macho, Yes I do have a sense of humor about a lot of things,but rude people are not one of them. And just because he feels the need to protect me from the way some people can be doesn't make him an asshole.

Tink, I'd break your sorry excuse for a husband. Sorry, but he's obviously one of those guys who got beat up all the time growing up because he didn't know when to shut his yapper. Me... well, I'm the kind of guy that was fairly quiet until you pushed my button too many times... then I was the guy that silenced the kind of guy that Rainman is.


I will agree sometimes he can take it to far.

That statement's worth 3 points. You nailed that one.

But maybe you take it just as far as he does by commenting right back about whatever he said that you don't agree with.

You're right... because the world should never speak back to a pompous asshat's douchebaggery so that he can feel like his shat doesn't stink. Sorry, I've never bought that and never will.

yeah his language does need work and I do try very hard to make sure that he doesn't use curse words. I am not always around to remind him to use another word.

You're not his mother. I thought he was telling everybody that he's a man? Maybe he should try acting like one once in awhile. That's not on you, that's on Rainman.

My answer to this whole mess is for everyone to take a deep breath and step back from this whole mess.

I agree.

If you don't want to talk to Rowdy fine then don't.

And that's exactly what I tried to do.

All he wants to do on here is learn new things and try to help other bowlers if they ask for it.

Bullshat. We all know it. I'm even going to go out on a limb and say that you know it. So don't pretend otherwise. He knows the answer to everything if you ever read his posts. He's the most experienced, capable, etc person... in his own mind.

That is what this forum is for.

Yep. Too bad that's not how it's been used by him for over 80% of his posts.

Not acting like you hate evrything that is written by one person. I don't think that is what anyone wants.

That's his own doing. He made his bed, now he can lie in it.

So Josh if you will try not to antagonise rowdy I will try to keep him from doing the same to you.

Read the part above about you not being his mother.

The reason I left Is to get ready for some pearsonal things in my life that had no place on here. And nothing to do with this site. That is why I said good bye.

And that was the FORUMS misunderstanding DUE to your crummy husband... he told us you left because somebody really hurt your feelings. See that? Instigator. You can't deny it.

By the way Josh if you read your own post you did curse, so don't say that rowdy is the only one on here that does it.

I didn't say that I never do, I said that I always try not to. Your husband goes out of his way to do it, however, to try and prove that "nobody tells Rainman what to do"... because he obviously feels very threatened by any authoritative figure other than himself. Hell, you don't even have to be authoritative for him to rebel... he does it just to make himself feel like he's always above somebody else. Goes back to being "that kid" when he was young, I'm sure.

You can't have it both ways. If you want it want one way for rowdy then the same rules should apply to you.

Don't try that one, I'll take another point from you, Tink. He's by far, without a doubt, the worst offender on here... and that can EASILY be proven.

Other wise that makes you a hippocrite.

Yet not as big a hippocrate has him. Just read his dumbass posts...

As for the rest of you that come here please let me know if Josh speaks for you. He has implied this in his post. If your not sure Josh then reread what you wrote, because the word US is more then one.

They've already spoken for themselves, and against Rainman. Just let it go. he lost, you lost, and the best thing for Rowdy to do is leave. You know, like the most active members wish he'd do.







Again, Tink, I'm sorry that my post struck you wrong. It wasn't intended that way. It was me trying to say "don't run away, come back and solve the problem". Of course, that was on the pretense that you left because somebody upset you (per your lying husband's dumbass posts). At this point it all looks like a HUGE misunderstanding, but when that misunderstanding starts because of a drama kings intentional misleadings then we've all just been shown the true person that your crummy excuse for a husband is.





All that being said, I've said my final piece. I replied because somebody FINALLY said what it was that I said which bothered you and I wanted to clarify my intentions AND apologize to you for the misunderstanding, but I felt I should address these items one last time.

My apologies to everybody who has had their eyes bleed due to me, but I felt certain things needed addressing.


Peace out, yo.

[Mung]

This town needs an enema! Please stop the nonsense. Every last one of you arguing are all in the wrong. Stop arguing or have a fight to the death. But please just stop arguing. All I want is advice and help on bettering my game and it's bullshit that we have to read the babble from those invovled.

I've never seen such a release of estrogen in all my life.

[BubbaRay]

This keeps up I am outta here for sure this time. Rowdy called me an a^^^^^Hole in one post awhile ago and I accepted and put it to rest. Now I suggest everyone does the same.

Some Apologies were given now LET IT REST PLEASE
Can we cut all this crap out as of right now. Do this stuff in PM's. We are all here to help and learn, including myself. This crap is becomming personal with a few here and it's got to stop.

Let's get back to what this place is all about.


LET'S CUT IT OUT NOW !. PLEASE

[Tinkerbell]

you are right bubba. I should have kept this on the pm part. I appoligise to all of you that are here for info and help.

[steveo#3]

HOLY CRAP....Will you people take this childish crap to the YABA forum...because that's where the kids are...I don't give a good God damn who started this...man up and just ignore each other from now on...it doesn't matter what he said or she said just drop this already...and stop with the stupid bet talk...NOONE CARES ANYMORE....get back to talking about bowling...you all look like idiots here and you also disrespect the Hammer company by bringing this on their website...Rowdy...you have been offensive with language and attacking people( not me)...and Josh..do you realize how much time you waste breaking down this whole situation with your quotes?? whatever happened it should be over and done with..call it a draw and leave it at that...this forum is for bowling...not personal BS.

[MessiahsHammer]

Its good to see that after a month you guys are still bitching about bullshit... I cant believe all of you, im going to another board as it seems this one isnt worth a damn bit of advice... Ya'll need to drop it or meet somewhere and finish this shit off like men, not fucking pre-teens...

[KINGSAME]

[QUOTE=MessiahsHammer;34186]Its good to see that after a month you guys are still bitching about bullshit... I cant believe all of you, im going to another board as it seems this one isnt worth a damn bit of advice...

Which do you suggest?

[RW201]

HOLY CRAP....Will you people take this childish crap to the YABA forum...

Ok I have no fight in this ..But as a youth coach I would appeciate it very much if you wouldn't throw off on the Kids:mad: . Honestly they behave better than the supposed adults on here. :(