NMB Drilling ?

[kurmie]

Ok guys, hope this makes since. When I first got my Beat'n drilled up, my guy put the pin barley to the right of the ring, cg in the middle of the grip a half inch over, and the HART almost touching the thumb on the left side. My original track was about a quarter inch left of the HART. I recently had it refinished and taken to 2000 Abralon. Now that I have a track back on it, it is about an inch and a half left of where it was (1 3/4 left of the thumb). Here's the question. Would it be worth it, or even make a difference, to have it redrilled and the HART put in my new track line? I can attach pics if it helps. Just let me know what you guys need. Thanks in advance.

[BubbaRay]

By resurfacing the ball shouldn't have changed your track. Changing your release would change the track.

A realease of a stroker the track is just beside the thumb and the fingers, being closer to the thumb than to the fingers. Also if the lanes are oiled, you will find some flare on the ball, but not as much as on a bowling ball of a cranker.

In the release of a cranker the track on the ball of a cranker will also often be beside the thumb and fingers, but will be closer to the fingers than to the thumb. Furthermore you will find a lot of flare on his ball, more than you will see on a stroker's ball.


The spinners release the track track on the ball is a typical 'spinner' ball track. The track is very small and far away from both the thumb and the fingers. This results in a small part of the ball contacting the bowling lane and thus little friction (making it easier to play on different conditions).

So you see, I feel the release has more impact on the position of the track than the surface prep.

[kurmie]

I didn't think that I had changed my release, but now that you mention it, I have been turning my wrist and coming around the ball as much. I have been alot more consistent lately. So do you think I should get it re-drilled to move the HART over, or just leave it the way it is? Good call on the release Bubba

[BubbaRay]

if the ball is reacting the way you like and you feel comfortable which it sounds like you are , keep throwing the ball and see how if reacts consistantly. You said you are consistant so give the ball a chance. the drilling sounds ok to me. How is it reacting for you?

[bluerrpilot]

I agree with Bubba, If you like the reaction, just leave it. Moving the hart closer to the track will only make it flip a bit harder.

[thegoldenchild]

I have a similar issue with my NM. The hart was originally placed a few inches from my thumb. I've been workin on my release, not turning my wrist etc. Now my track is close to the thumb (stroker style.) I've been wondering if I should get it redrilled or not but I didn't know exactly what the difference would be. Would it be worth the cost? Does it currently hinder what the ball is supposed to do? I just want to make sure that having the hart not on the track is not going to work against me.

[kurmie]

Feels good, if I can keep my ball speed within .25 mpg of each other. It is way more speed sensitive now. Carrying a 170 avg on Tueday and a 164 on Friday, but this past week, averarged 213 and Tuesday and 190 on Friday. Guess I'll keep on rollin' and see how she does. Thanks guys.

[kurmie]

Does it currently hinder what the ball is supposed to do? I just want to make sure that having the hart not on the track is not going to work against me.

Thanks, that is what I wanted to know also, just couldn't word it the way I wanted.

[thegoldenchild]

I don't know if i worded it correctly either. It's kind of hard to spit out. I payed a lot for my NM and want it to live it up its fullest potential.

[kurmie]

B i n g o !!!

[BubbaRay]

I have a similar issue with my NM. The hart was originally placed a few inches from my thumb. I've been workin on my release, not turning my wrist etc. Now my track is close to the thumb (stroker style.) I've been wondering if I should get it redrilled or not but I didn't know exactly what the difference would be. Would it be worth the cost? Does it currently hinder what the ball is supposed to do? I just want to make sure that having the hart not on the track is not going to work against me.

How is the ball working for you now? Is it reacting the way you want? I give the sane advice as I gave kurmie. If the ball is reacting the way you want it to, and your scores are not suffering, leave it just like it is. The hart on the track won't work against you if that's the way it was originally taken from your axis points. The ball should work just fine for you. If it doesn't, then look into an X Hole or getting it redone.

[thegoldenchild]

It's hard to tell. I've grown used to the ball, I've had it since around May. Is it doing what I want? It's hard to say, it's my only ball. I move around and try different lines if I need to. So far, 4 weeks into the season, the house has kept the same oil pattern for leagues so my line is pretty much the same every week. I'm averaging 174 so it's doing ok for me. What exactly does it do different when the hart is on the track compared to when the hart is off the track?

[BubbaRay]

It all depends on what your axis co-ordinates are / cg / pin l.ocation on how the ball will rect with the MB neart the track. You could have anythinng from a length with aggressive backend cto a smooth controllable arc drilling. A pic will help define better what then ball is drilled for

[bowlkidsdogs]

Just curious...what is flare? I have read a lot about it, but still don't know what it means. My ball is tracking the appropriate way according to the fact that I am more a stroker than a cranker, but I don't understand what I am looking for when it comes to flare.

[BubbaRay]

Just curious...what is flare? I have read a lot about it, but still don't know what it means. My ball is tracking the appropriate way according to the fact that I am more a stroker than a cranker, but I don't understand what I am looking for when it comes to flare.

track flare is the migration of the ball track from the bowler's initial axis (the axis upon release) to the final axis (the axis at the moment of impact with the pins), a new ball surface from the bowler's initial axis (the axis upon release) to the final axis (the axis at the moment of impact with the pins), thus a new ball surface touches the lane upon every revolution. Increased track flare gains greater rotational energy and hitting power. Decreased track flare creates greater ball skid. No track flare will have a ball rolling on an oily surface each revolution.
A flaring ball always rolls on a new surface. All bowlers who rotate the axis will see some migration (track flare) using any ball with any drilling with two exceptions. There is no track flare if the pin is placed on the bowler's positive axis point (axis drilling), and there is no track flare if the pin is placed 6-3/4 inches from the bowler's positive axis point (in their ball track). Track flare is evident as the side-by-side rings that encircle the ball. The ball's first rotation is the ring farthest from the middle finger hole and the last is the one above the finger holes closest to the ring finger. Track flare for full rollers is often reversed. Flare potential is the maximum amount that the axis of the ball can migrate given the construction of the ball AND provided that the bowler has a maximum power release. Maximum actual track flare for any ball in the hands of any bowler can be obtained by placing the pin in leverage position for that bowler. Only a small percentage of bowlers can make a ball flare to its potential.

Track flare is a length modifier. Large flare means that the ball is presenting a fresh, dry surface on all successive revolutions. While on oil, this means little to the performance of the ball, but when the ball crosses from the oil to the dry, the dry ball surface bonds with the dry lane surface to increase the coefficient of friction which causes earlier hook and greater total hook. That is, earlier and greater hook when it is compared to a smaller flaring ball that is tracking over the same area of the ball and presents an oil covered surface when it crosses from the oil to the dry which reduces friction and promotes additional skid causing a later and more defined hook. Track flare potential also provides one indicator of which balls will be better suited to oil (large flaring ones) and which will be better suited to dry (small flaring ones)." Track Flare Potential - The amount of "Flare" described in inches.

[bowlkidsdogs]

Wow....OK! I have seen what you are talking about, then. Now I get it. Thanks. What a wonderful explanation!

[thegoldenchild]

http://webpages.charter.net/mjgolden/No_Mercy_New.JPG
There's my NM. I marked where the hart was and drew a line roughly where my first track is. Right now I can use the ball all 3 games; however, if I ever got a new ball I'd like to make the NM more distinguished.

[BubbaRay]

That drill looks close to a length with controlled arc drill pattern. Nothing wrong with this pattern if it suits your game and it's working fine for you.

[thegoldenchild]

So somewhat of a weak drilling?

[kurmie]

Ok Bubba, This isn't an actual pic of the ball, but it is a exact diagram of it. First diagram is the original drilling with the original ball track. The 2nd is the original drilling with the current ball track. The third diagram is where the grip would be if the ball was rotated so that the HART is in the current ball track. Hope this helps with your answers. Don't know if it will make a difference, but hoping you could tell me since your the expert. Thanks.

[BubbaRay]

Kurmie it looks to me in the second graph that you are turning the ball more. Which isn't a bad thing. The third graph although would make tthe ball go alittle longer than the first tow that you currently have. I would leave it alone and throw the way you are now and see if it consistantly rolls on that second graphs track. If the ball is working fine and your are scoring, I would leave it alone. But this is my opinion.

[kurmie]

sounds like a good one to me. Just wanted to make sure I was describing everything correctly by showing a pic. Thanks for all the help