"Trick" layout for BWS

[Rowdy]

Anyone got the specs for the Hammer "Trick" layout for a BWS? I think it's the one that Tony Reyes has in his. Or is that the layout in yours,Bubba? Anyway,if someones got it,I'd appreciate your dropping it on me. I lost my copy of it. Damn Tink,she cleans up around here and I can't find a thing!

[BubbaRay]

Rowdy the trick layout I have on my BWS is the same as the one on my No Mercy.

On Both balls this is what I did.

The Pin.. 5" from PAP and 1" From VAL. ( puts the pin above the ring finger.

The HART was placed on the 3rd flare of my track.

Middle finger drilled 2 1/2" deep or more depending on how much top weight the ball had initally. Mine had 3 oz. After drilling my ring finger was drilled 3 1/2" deep to get the excess finger weight down to under 1oz.

No Weight hole needed.

Please Note that this layout is not for everyone. A bowler should have at least a rev rate of 275 and a degree of rotation of at least 35 degrees.

Recommened pin is a distance of 3+ inches.

Top weight of 3 1/4 oz or less.

If a balance hole is needed only place it 4" from grip center.

Recommened pin placement from PAP is 4 3/4 - 5 1/2" from PAP

This Trick Layout gets the ball 1-2 feet longer down the Lane and then produce a more violent backend reaction.

[Rowdy]

Got it. Thanks,Bubba.:)

[BubbaRay]

My pleasure.

[Street Racer]

any videos yet bubba?

and whats the advantages of the trick layouts?

i'm interested...

[BubbaRay]

The guy shot some videos of me but they are too dark to really see. The advantage of the trick layourt I have is to get the ball down the lane farther and thurn towards the pocket. There are alot of different trick layouts out there for different purposes. The one I use is for those who have a high rev rate.

[Street Racer]

The guy shot some videos of me but they are too dark to really see. The advantage of the trick layourt I have is to get the ball down the lane farther and thurn towards the pocket. There are alot of different trick layouts out there for different purposes. The one I use is for those who have a high rev rate.

u have me even more interested.....

how do you map these to my pap? cause it would all be different wouldnt it? i have no gear atm i want to try it out on... but i'm just curious on how u would map it out to my pap seems everything would have to be moved around?

[BubbaRay]

StreetRacer, just lay it out according to the description I posted for Rowdy. Keep in mind now I am right handed

It might look alittle different but not much depending on how far over and up your axis co-ordinates are and where you track is so you couold plkace the HART on the 3rd flare line. Here is a pic of the BWS drilled with it. Take a good look at where the MB is on the ball.

My axis co-ordinates are 4 3/8 over by 1/2 up

[Stampy79]

Ok , so what I was told before would make the MB just left of the thumb or close anyway right ?

[BubbaRay]

The MB is on the 3rd flare of the track On the BWS.

Thwe HART on the NM is on the 3rd flare of the track

[Street Racer]

ok man... i think i get all of that..:)

thanks for that man...

[slap]

Ok , so what I was told before would make the MB just left of the thumb or close anyway right ?

Yeah pretty much...

[Stampy79]

Ok, Now I am really confused. I didnt think the heart marked the MB on the NM and NMB !

[BubbaRay]

Stampy, don't be confused bud. Just go by the Hart on the NM and NMB. Don't worry about the MB. As long as the HART on the NM and NMB or the MB on the BWS is on the 3rd flare of the track it will be one the trick layout. Just follow what I posted to Rowdy and if you notice there is nothing mentioned about the MB on the NM or NMB opn my layout. Just the BWS. Hope this clears it up for you.

[slap]

Ok, Now I am really confused. I didnt think the heart marked the MB on the NM and NMB !

If I confused you Stampy, I didn't mean to. As Bubbay stated the Hart is used for layouts on the NM series.

However to compare a NM layout to a ball with a traditional marked mass bias you need to approximate the MB location. By your question, that's what I thought you were trying to do.

[TenPinSniper]

Please dont take offense Bubba, but the NM layout to me looks like a modified Drill #1.

The main difference I see between yours and the sheet. Yours looks to be a cross between the low and medium track layouts... pin above fingers in a fairly week position from your PAP. Push the HART deep into the track. Pushing the HART deeper into the Track usually cause a stronger backend move. Plus you definately have more negative weight then most standard layouts. To me this layout would be good for Higher Rev players on shorter patterns or low volume patterns and Low Speed players on the same patterns. (You will know if you need this layout if you have struggled on these type of patterns consistently.)

This would probably good for me since my speed is generally around 14-15 mph for a high rev tweener. If I remember right Bubba has the revs and speed (17-19 range).

I have thought about trying this layout on less agressive ball like a Cherry or Blue Vibe or maybe even a Toxic.

[TenPinSniper]

If I confused you Stampy, I didn't mean to. As Bubbay stated the Hart is used for layouts on the NM series.

However to compare a NM layout to a ball with a traditional marked mass bias you need to approximate the MB location. By your question, that's what I thought you were trying to do.

Not to be a broken record here... but the MB on the NM "Hart" core balls is approx. 6 3/4 from the Pin and Hart. The best way to determine the MB is to use a Determinator.

P----
----m
H----


P=Pin
m=MB
H=Hart

Edit
Like Bubba said, for his layout you need not worry about finding the MB, just use the Hart and place it into the Track Flare around the third ring... approx.

[BubbaRay]

I couold use this ball on a 40-42 foot oil pattern and play from 20-5 or 15-2 and have it come roaring back.