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BubbaRay
11-01-2007, 07:09 PM
I am putting together this thread for drill patterns for all the Hammer Balls . It will make it easier for everyone being alot skip over the page with the products on it.


No Mercy Series Drilling Instructions

http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=No%20Mercy%20Series%20Drilling %20Instructions

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Black Widow Drilling Instructions

http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Black%20Widow%20Drilling%20Ins tructions

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Symmetric Core Drilling Instructions/Anger/Toxic/Doomseries

http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Symmetric%20Core%20Drilling%20 Instructions

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Symmetric Core Drilling Instructions/Cherry Vibe / Blue Vibe

http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Symmetric%20Core%20Drilling%20 Instructions

steelcityguy0530
11-02-2007, 10:53 PM
anyway of finding out what the layouts are for the Hammer road hawg?

idlehourlegend
11-02-2007, 11:13 PM
right here buddy.

http://www.hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Drilling%20Instructions%206

ravenhammer
12-17-2007, 06:20 PM
Thanks Bubba that helps the old memory.

Rowdy
12-21-2007, 09:57 PM
Bubba,any chance of getting BG to cough up some of the Pro's layouts??? I for one would love to see how they're drilling some of those BW's. Eugene McCune's drill job should make for interesting reading.

Sin City Hammer
12-25-2007, 01:33 AM
I for one would like to know how my favorite Hammer bowlers Doug Kent and Tony Reyes have theirs done, unless it's some top secret thing that will give someone advantage over them on tour.

I know that in other sports that fan try to get the same equipment and the same setup as their favorite players, hell I know I did when I played hockey with mark messier getting the same sticks that he used during the rangers run to the stanley cup and even a few years afterwards when he went with a composite stick which I still have today.

I'd like to have mine setup like they do and maybe get some understanding as to why it is as well. By then, I'm just a average joe.

BubbaRay
12-25-2007, 06:21 AM
I will see what I can find out for you guy's but I can't promise anything. Oh BTW sorry for getting this post so late.

BubbaRay
12-25-2007, 06:37 AM
Here's what I found out about two of the ball for Doug.

Doug Kent - Hammer No Mercy (Pin 6 inches from PAP, CG 5 inches from PAP, Pin 2 inches above the mid-line of grip, balance hole on VAL, ball was polished with Ebonite Powerhouse Factory Finish Polish).

Hammer Vibe (Pin 4 1/2 inches from PAP, CG 3 1/2 inches from PAP, Pin 2 1/2 inches above the mid-line of grip, balance hole on VAL, ball was thrown in box finish)

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slap
12-25-2007, 08:22 AM
Bubba,any chance of getting BG to cough up some of the Pro's layouts??? I for one would love to see how they're drilling some of those BW's. Eugene McCune's drill job should make for interesting reading.

Ask and you shall receive.
Source: Brunswickinsiders.com
Hands down the best site out there for coverage of the Tour events. He post pictures of all the gear used on the show plus in depth coverage from the week.

http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBA%20Tournaments/02Taylor/PhotosTaylor/photostaylor.htm


http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBA%20Tournaments/02Taylor/PhotosTaylor/photosbowlingballs/eugeneballsweek.jpg

http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBA%20Tournaments/02Taylor/PhotosTaylor/photosbowlingballs/eugeneballsweek2.jpg

http://www.brunswickinsiders.com/PBA%20Tournaments/02Taylor/PhotosTaylor/photosbowlingballs/eugeneballsweek3.jpg

Street Racer
12-25-2007, 08:37 AM
that first picture... that ebonite ball... could that be the new nv? i havent seen any ball with colours like that

slap
12-25-2007, 10:03 AM
I'm still try to find out his PAP but based on his up the back release I suspect a high track.

that first picture... that ebonite ball... could that be the new nv? i havent seen any ball with colours like that

I'm not all that familar with the Ebonite balls but my guess is a raid?

Thepainscoming
12-25-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm not all that familar with the Ebonite balls but my guess is a raid?
Yea i would think its a raid also.

Rowdy
12-31-2007, 05:51 PM
Thanks Slap. Never ceases to amaze me how ratty the pro's gear looks....time to let mine go a bit.

Prankmart
01-29-2008, 08:11 PM
http://www.prankmart.com/images/bowling/nomercy.jpg

Not a great pic, old camera phone.. but it gets the point across.

Now I look at this and I don't see any patterns even close to what mine was drilled at:
http://hammerbowling.com/wpimages/No_Mercy_Series.pdf

Question is, is this pattern the reason why my no mercy really is pretty merciful to the pins it encounters? It almost seems scared to knock them down!

Basically I throw mid to low revs, in the 17-18MPH range. The balls never really seems to break. If I throw at the older wooden lanes that are low oil it works decent, but still nothing like what others of the same abilities with the same ball can do.

Any ideas out there? Do I scrap this ball and get a new one drilled differently? Do I choke the guy who drilled it???

idlehourlegend
01-29-2008, 08:29 PM
Homestly, If your throwing 18 mph with low revs on oil, its not going to move much if at all, I'd either work on slowing your speed down or gaining more revs first, then think about getting a new ball if that doesnt work.

Prankmart
01-29-2008, 08:35 PM
Homestly, If your throwing 18 mph with low revs on oil, its not going to move much if at all, I'd either work on slowing your speed down or gaining more revs first, then think about getting a new ball if that doesnt work.


Not sure how to count the revs.. but I would say I am mid more than low. I can watch the little white dot though, and it spins pretty fast.. around the ball and with each rev it gets tighter (smaller circle) until the ball itself is actually rotating around the white dot. At this point on OTHER peoples balls the ball will "break", on mine it breaks far less. To score decent on heavy oil I have to aim slightly right of the 3 pin, and let it come back to the pocket.

At 12MPH my throws will again rotate until the white dot is the center of the rotation, but it will actually begin to go PAST that point, which is what makes me scratch my head.. and is why I try to match my speed to the point where the little white dot is in the center of the rotation right at the point in which my ball should break for the pocket. At this lower speed I get a ton of break, but it is very hard for me to throw this slow and "feel" right. Make any sense?

30 Clean
03-13-2008, 09:20 AM
The instructions for the BWS gives me new insight. Being a newbie to this new ball technology, I now have a better understanding of why the guy drilled my BWS the way he did.

I told him I was bowling on med-to-heavy oil and I was stroker having more of an arc to my shot. And looking at this sheet, I can see my BWS is drilled almost exactly like the High Track (right-side pic) in Drilling Pattern #4.

So I've been wondering why my shot doesn't flip at the back but rather arcs into the pocket - assuming I hit the pocket. ;)

bluerrpilot
03-13-2008, 10:55 AM
The instructions for the BWS gives me new insight. Being a newbie to this new ball technology, I now have a better understanding of why the guy drilled my BWS the way he did.

I told him I was bowling on med-to-heavy oil and I was stroker having more of an arc to my shot. And looking at this sheet, I can see my BWS is drilled almost exactly like the High Track (right-side pic) in Drilling Pattern #4.

So I've been wondering why my shot doesn't flip at the back but rather arcs into the pocket - assuming I hit the pocket. ;)


What is making the ball react the way it does is two things.

1. the distance from the bowlers axis point (pap) to the pin
2. the distance from the bowlers axis point (pap) to the mass bias.

The 4 1/2" from pin to pap is a medium range distance. Still strong without being too strong. It still has good flare and should have a nice strong arc to it.

The MB to pap distance is keeping the arcing reaction but also making it a little smoother in the back.

If you were to move the mass bias more to the right, it would increase the strength of the ball off the spot and make it arc harder.

30 Clean
03-13-2008, 11:06 AM
What is making the ball react the way it does is two things.

1. the distance from the bowlers axis point (pap) to the pin
2. the distance from the bowlers axis point (pap) to the mass bias.

The 4 1/2" from pin to pap is a medium range distance. Still strong without being too strong. It still has good flare and should have a nice strong arc to it.

The MB to pap distance is keeping the arcing reaction but also making it a little smoother in the back.

If you were to move the mass bias more to the right, it would increase the strength of the ball off the spot and make it arc harder.

Do you hear that whoooooshing sound? That's all of this going right over my head. :confused:

It's going to take me a while to understand the technical side of this. Is there somewhere this stuff is explained? I have no idea what PAP, mass bias, flare, etc are.

Maybe someday I'll be smart enough to understand this stuff. :)

pauvil
03-19-2008, 01:10 PM
every bowler is different, every, the way you throw will decide your PAP, you can find ways on the net to measure this and go from there. I just started doing my own drilling and research, my friend thinks I'm nuts, can't wait to try some of these frankensteins out this weekend. The suggested patterns from the company can be adjusted as per bowler from what I've been reading, depending on the pattern and how you throw the ball will react different.