Black Widow has lost its flip

[ArtBowl]

I recently purchased a Black Widow Spider Pearl. Originally it worked great long slide with an agressive flip at the backend. After prebowling on dry lanes I ended up with scratches and a dull finish on my track. I had the proshop to polish the scratches out and he did so using a 4000 grit pad. Now the ball has lost its backend and has little or no flip. What do I have to do to restore the ball to its original action?

[Stampy79]

After he sanded with 4000, did he repolish also ? It comes polished. And remember, it has to have oil in the heads to flip on the backend

[ArtBowl]

He did add some polish the last time I bowled but it made no difference. Stampy79 how do you like your No Mercy Beat n'?

[Stampy79]

Its a Great Ball, I love it

[blistershurt]

BW comes at 4000 grit sanded. For the flip to get back, you need a midlane read, make sure you didnt physically change the way you bowl because of the lanes damaging your ball.

Also, you could give it a hot water bath (bucket+ball+hot water=clean coverstock, more hook)

[Stampy79]

He said it was a BWP not a BW

[blistershurt]

lmao...I feel stupid. Sorry...hahah....get a delay polish on it.

[Rowdy]

Um...a WHAT polish? Since all polishes are basically stupid, somehow I don't think the polish knows what it's supposed to be used for. Any polish will delay the hook over a non-polished or unpolished version of the same ball.

[Thepainscoming]

Um...a WHAT polish? Since all polishes are basically stupid, somehow I don't think the polish knows what it's supposed to be used for. Any polish will delay the hook over a non-polished or unpolished version of the same ball. Yea but the delay polish will get it even farther and reduce the backend. So it would be longer than the factory finish polish.

[Rowdy]

You pay extra for that,don't you? Fess up.

[Thepainscoming]

Well u can ask the guy to use it. Its the same amount as Factory Finish, to use the extender polish.

[blistershurt]

yeah I'm getting my Vibe redrilled (to go longer and to fit right since my driller did fit me absolutely great) and thinking about getting it put on there

[ArtBowl]

Okay guys, I am having a hard time believing that a polish or a delay polish will improve the flip or drive of the ball in the backend. But then again I'm not that familiar with a pearl ball since this my first. I have been reading some of the other threads that talk about taking the finish down to 2000 or even 1000 to get a better or more consistant reaction in med or heavy oil. Would'nt this be a better way to go?

[blistershurt]

in my opinion, the midlane is the "flip" and the midlane really comes out in 4000 grit sand, but thats what I think. The BWP will just get smoother and hook alot more as you sand it down.

[Stampy79]

Moe says there are 3 parts of a ball reaction, the skid, the read and the roll !

[Lonewolf300800]

the BWP comes from the factory with a 1000grit polished finish not 4000.

[BigDog]

I'm pretty sure it's polished 4000 Abralon OOB...

[BubbaRay]

BWP is 4000 baralon and factory polish out of the box.

Polishing a ball will delay the hook and make it skid through the mid lane alittle more and while it's doing this it is storing enery fro when it hits the break point and flips on the back end

[Young300]

If you are looking for a polish that will get the ball down the lane but not reduce the amount of friction that the ball gets, look at the Magic Shine finish from Track. That polish really creates a tacky feeling on the surface of the bowling ball and it doesn't eliminate as much traction as other polishes would.

[blistershurt]

Everyone who uses Bean's Secret Sauce loves that polish, I know Slap uses it, I think Tenpin does too.

[Rowdy]

A BWP OOB is 4000 Abralon,POLISHED. It's a pearl ball,why wouldn't it be polished?
Blisters,I would like to try some of Bean's stuff,but too many of their products wind up on the USBC's "Don't Even Think About Using This Stuff On Your Bowling Ball" List. It makes me leery of plunking down my cash for something like that. I prefer to stay with the Powerhouse products.

[TenPinSniper]

A BWP OOB is 4000 Abralon,POLISHED. It's a pearl ball,why wouldn't it be polished?


Pearl balls are usually polished because the sell better when polished. The Beans Polish is approved when I check with in the last month, heck its approved for use during competition, which is wierd for a polish.

[Rowdy]

Ain't it though? But I still ain't buying their stuff.

[blistershurt]

Rowdy- I overlooked the fact he said Pearl, my bad.

Plus...we've had thread on why to sand pearl balls, they hook more and are smoother than their solid counterparts when sanded.

[Rowdy]

I never could understand the reasoning behind ruining a $200 ball by sanding it. If you want a dull BWP,buy a BWS.

[idlehourlegend]

I just sanded mine and I like the reaction a lot more now. The reason I didnt buy a BWS is because the BWP is a lot smoother and with my revs I cant afford to have a ball that snaps too much.

[Stampy79]

Rowdy, its called Surface adjustment ! If most people would try it, they would find they will bowl better and not need as many balls ! There is nothing wrong with fine tuning a coverstock. They make them so you can !

[blistershurt]

it depends, if you bowl at many houses for many leagues, you'll prolly use alot of balls.

[ArtBowl]

Okay guys, thanks for the idea's. I guess I'm going to get with the guy at the proshop and play with the polish's first and if I'm not happy with that I'll start sanding it down one step at a time until I get the reaction I'm happy with. The part I left off my first message was the week I was having the scratches buffed out of my BWP, I went down to pick up my bowling balls for a weekend tournament and decided to bowl a game while my wife was getting her hair done. Since the lanes were not oiled again I decided not to take a chance on scratching my BWP again and rolled a old Storm X-Factor Duece I had purched a few years back. Needless to say I rolled my first 300 game which of course was not sanctioned and meant nothing except to me.
Since then with the lack of action on my BWP I have only hit my 197 average 2 times out of 12 games. I agree with you Roudy why would you buy a pearl ball then sand it down. But as I told the person who sold me this ball, I did'nt spend $200.00 on a new ball to throw it straight like he suggested.

[TenPinSniper]

I agree with you Roudy why would you buy a pearl ball then sand it down. But as I told the person who sold me this ball, I did'nt spend $200.00 on a new ball to throw it straight like he suggested.

Sanding of Pearls VS Solids
The common misconception is that solid hook more than pearls, but if you sand the like balls, the pearl will have more hook and angle at the pocket than the solid, because it stores energy better than the solid counterpart.

Polishing of Pearls Vs Solids
When both of the balls are resurfaced with polish the solid balls now hooks out hooks the Pearl Ball. But the Pearl will see the friction sooner, as the solid ball ball retained more energy with a more agressive back reaction and overall hook. (Aka great angle of entry).

Source
http://www.ebonite.com/techcenter/RandD_detail.php?PRKey=268

Surface management is a great thing when used right.