information for left handers or backup ball throwers

[Curacao_Dejavu]

Hi,

do you guys know where I can obtain information for me, reverse ball thrower, or the closest thing would be for a lefthander.

Most videos or documentation I have , are for right handers, and I have to think the opposite to apply that info on me.

Leopold

[BradM]

Why not follow the info for the right handers and learn to throw the ball properly? :)

[Curacao_Dejavu]

Why not follow the info for the right handers and learn to throw the ball properly? :)


Not the answer I was looking for.
It's my belief consistency will take a long way, as long as you know what works for you.

Still.
How long will it take to convert from a backup ball thrower to a normal thower,
A: assuming you train once a week.
B: assuming there is also a league play once a week.


The issue of league play.
During league you have to play for the team to win, so obviously if you are behind in scores you go back to what you are comfortable with.

Note:
I tried to convert during the July vacation, but when the league resumed I was stuck in the middle of the proces and went back to my reverse throw.

BTW:
there are some real left handers out there that would need the information anyway.

Leopold

[BradM]

Not the answer I was looking for.
It's my belief consistency will take a long way, as long as you know what works for you.

Still.
How long will it take to convert from a backup ball thrower to a normal thower,
A: assuming you train once a week.
B: assuming there is also a league play once a week.


The issue of league play.
During league you have to play for the team to win, so obviously if you are behind in scores you go back to what you are comfortable with.

Note:
I tried to convert during the July vacation, but when the league resumed I was stuck in the middle of the proces and went back to my reverse throw.

BTW:
there are some real left handers out there that would need the information anyway.

Leopold

I'm not trying to offend you buddy. I'm just making suggestions on the information I have available to me. You'll either have to keep thinking backwards and reading the books for righthanders or start writing a book yourself on how to throw a backup ball. Good luck driving through to the 5 pin consistently. Let us know how it goes. I'm sure it can be done.

Edit:
Also, there is reason there aren't books on how to throw backup balls.

[Thepainscoming]

Look, just because u bowl bad for a little, u'll start bowling so much better.

[BubbaRay]

Curacao, First let me say that if you are going to stick with what feels and works best for you I want to let you know that when drilling a ball for a reverse hook,(backup ball), you would drill it for the opposite hand. If you are right handed, the ball should look like it was laid out for a lefthander. This ball should feel good on your hand if laid out properly.

The backup ball, to be most effective, would actually have to come into the pins in the 1-2 pocket, since its curve is similar to that of a left-hander. A back up ball is a poor strike-getter and it results in a large number of bad leaves and splits. It is also difficult to control over long periods of time.

In my opinion, it is more tiring than other, more orthodox deliveries. The backup ball is a ball that fades to the right as it nears the pins. This action is caused by turning the wrist from left to right, at or near the moment of release. I am not trying to persuade you in changing but just giving facts on what I know about the back up release.

No matter what type of delivery you use, the main idea is to be able to repeat your performance until every little feature of your game is as automatic as possible (assuming that you are going about it right in the first place). The expert likes his strikes, to be sure, but if he doesn't happen to get them at one time or another he simply waits, for he knows that his consistent machinelike delivery will bring him his share over a period of time.

So, develop one type of ball and stick to it—don't mix them up. Don't worry over the fact that strikes seem to be few and far between when you're learning the game. Actually, you are getting a break and don't realize it, for whenever you fail to count a strike you get a chance to shoot at a spare.

And shooting at spares eventually grooves your swing, sharpens your timing, and improves your foot work to the point where you perform these actions almost unconsciously. Then you will begin to notice a steady upswing in your average. From that point on, you are on your way.






There are alot of good teaching videos out there . One I think will help you out is the video by Parker Bohn III. He has excellent instructions for left handers.

[5iron]

I bowl in a league that has many backup bowlers. The one woman had her ball redrilled to finger tip and she is now bowling up a storm. I am not trying to start an arguement but for all those that want Curacao to bowl the right way,tell that to the guy that bowls with his back to the pins and adverages about 185+ and see what he says. I believe like Bubba bowl with what you are comfortable with.

[Thepainscoming]

U know the winner of Junior Gold this year threw a back up ball

[BubbaRay]

How many of you kow someone who slides on the wrong foot ?

I bet alot have seen or know someone that does this. I personally know 5 people. But for those who think throwing a back up ball or stoping on the wrong foot is unorthadox here's a little something . Alot of you do not remember him or heard of him.

They Called Him, " Wrong Foot Louie". Who was Wrong Foot Louie you ask?

There once was a great bowler named Lou Campi who came to this country from Italy. He was a great bocce player in Italy, and as you may know, bocce players throw off of their right leg, so it was natural for him as a right-hander to bowl off his right leg. They called him "Wrong Foot Louie." He won many tournaments and became one of the best bowlers in the country. When someone would bring his style to his attention, he would answer, "It’s everybody else that bowls off of the wrong foot." When you think about it, if you are right handed and picked up a bucket of water, you would not pick it up off of your left foot.

SO you see, a positive attitude will get you many palces. Mark my words you will see (maybe not in my lifetime) but someone who throws a BACKUP BALL WIN AND MAJOR TOURNAMENT.

[SonyDog76]

I went from throwing a Conventional Backup Ball with a Ball I bought from Academy when I was 18 (1994) and just changed to a Jinx and my Hammer Nova this past Year (2007). I am bowling finger tip now and it's quite the transition for me.

I enjoy the Hammer Nova that I am throwing now, because it drives the pocket for me. I am not as hard a thrower as I used to be, but now throwing a 16# ball I have to throw slower and more consistantly.

GOOD LUCK BOWLERS.....

[ek11sx]

not to be an a*hole but is it possible to bowl a 794 series with a high game of 234, Curacao_Dejavu?

[Thepainscoming]

not to be an a*hole but is it possible to bowl a 794 series with a high game of 234, Curacao_Dejavu?

No it isn't that would only put u at a 702.

[idlehourlegend]

It was proabably one of those leagues that bowls 4 games, Thats the only thing I can figure.

[Thepainscoming]

It was proabably one of those leagues that bowls 4 games, Thats the only thing I can figure.
Yea maybe.

[BubbaRay]

There area couple of ways you could have a 794 series with a 234 game.

280/280/234=794

260/234/300=794

234/290/270=794

It is possible .

[idlehourlegend]

He means with a high game of 234.

[BubbaRay]

Oh OK. My bad.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

It was proabably one of those leagues that bowls 4 games, Thats the only thing I can figure.

true,
we bowl 4 games in our league.
I realized after my post and going through some other post that with scores and averages, that the other people were or bowling a three game series.

I will change my signature later.

Leopold

[hbhammerhead]

is there any advantage for throwing a "backup ball", other then it feeling comfortable to someone??

[Thepainscoming]

true,
we bowl 4 games in our league.
I realized after my post and going through some other post that with scores and averages, that the other people were or bowling a three game series.

I will change my signature later.

Leopold No its fine now that we know u bowl 4 games. Thats perfectly fine, just a little confusion and we didn't want another dispute like mudinthang and quest had.

is there any advantage for throwing a "backup ball", other then it feeling comfortable to someone??
Not really, actually it makes it harder to strike.

[slap]

Not the answer I was looking for.
It's my belief consistency will take a long way, as long as you know what works for you.

Still.
How long will it take to convert from a backup ball thrower to a normal thower,
A: assuming you train once a week.
B: assuming there is also a league play once a week.


The issue of league play.
During league you have to play for the team to win, so obviously if you are behind in scores you go back to what you are comfortable with.

Note:
I tried to convert during the July vacation, but when the league resumed I was stuck in the middle of the proces and went back to my reverse throw.

BTW:
there are some real left handers out there that would need the information anyway.

Leopold

I'm a lefty and a coach and I don't have any advice for you.

Even if you were to use a left hand oriented reference, you would still have to adapt the foot positions and body angles. In the modern game the backup ball has gone the way of the semi finger tip grip. (you new really young guys might need to google that one... lol)

There are many different styles, and bad habits, in bowling, however all the really good bowlers, even the new two hand guys, end up in the same position at the line; balanced with their release next to the ankle for maxium leverage. If you intend to stye with this style you will need to learn how to obtain this position.

Modern game = Balance + Leverage

[Thepainscoming]

Slap don't worry i know wut semi-fingertip is. My driller wanted me to go with that first, but i said no because i would have to get used to 2 new grips when i could just go full fingertip.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

I'm not trying to offend you buddy. I'm just making suggestions on the information I have available to me.

I did not really take it as a offensive, my personnallity is usually , first give them what they ask, then ask why, and then you can start a discussion.

about that:is there a way that we can have "real chat rooms" I mean with audio. that would be more interactive and we can have these discussion live, instead of texting and we can avoid maybe misunderstandings.
Maybe the way I wrote was a bit too defensive too.

back to topic.
I am here to learn, and try to get as much as information as possible.
I also observe other bowlers.
and like I said I tried to throw "normal" once.

I was bowling for fun for about 2 years before joining a league, and during that time, and even now I can score 175-190 pretty easily.
but during league play something "un-clicks".
nervous, trying to be funny or likeable, just go up and throw (normally i need to concentrate for like 15-20 secs, and some people find that too long)
One of my mentors is helping me with during league play.

anyway, I know I can do better, but I need help. obviously the righ handed throw with a hook has it's advantages, but since for now I am throwing the reverse hook, I was looking for info on that particular shot.
If indeed I can not average 185 :) on that throw I might change ?? in the end we are all competetive !! I might even throw with 2 hands, or even with a 3th.

Leopold

[blistershurt]

Just learn to bowl with a righty hook, there's a back up baller on one of my leagues (even gets his stuff laid out for lefties) and he only averages 160, he's putting the poor BWP to misuse.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

idle legend:
average:215
high game:299
high series:801

idlelegend vs me.

me thinking, 801 series, one day I might beat this guy. (with my 794 serie)
then oh oh it's a 3 game series. I might need 5 games to beat him.
801/4 , it's only a 200 average on that day.
801/3 , better not meet him for a while

:)

[blistershurt]

just work on wrist strength, usually the reason people throw a backup ball is because of a weak wrist, you could always buy a wrist straightener too.

[BubbaRay]

For someone who has been throwing a back up ball , trying to change can be a long process. For someone to completely change , I recommend you find one of the top instructors in your area to instruct you because this will require a good deal of time, dedication and effort on you part and his..