Why Does This Hit Like My Spare Ball?

[ek11sx]

Any comments? Med-Heavy, 4000 grit no polish, nothing but flat hits, but not visible flat hits....

[ek11sx]

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[Stampy79]

Are you a low rev player ?

[ek11sx]

higher rev stroker/lower rev tweener

[bluerrpilot]

Whats your pap measurement? And when you say flat hit but not visible. What does that mean?

[ek11sx]

not sure on my pap, but it doesn't look like it rolls out before it hits. thats what I meant.

[blistershurt]

1) Its an Ebonite, not a Hammer :p
2) 4000 brings the midlane out in a ball, you might want to go back up to 4000 with polish.

[bluerrpilot]

If you have an average pap distance then your probably in the 4" pin to pap range. Combine that with the obvious thumb weight and MB past 45 deg. The ball is rolling early with little flip. If there is any amount of dry lane the ball no longer has the energy needed to hit the way you would like.

[TenPinSniper]

Have to agree with blue... this drill is going to get the ball rolling. Pin is in fairly strong position.

Have you had luck with 4000 abralon dull, at all? How often do you clean the ball?

[ek11sx]

im thinking of redrilling it and drilling it to go longer and put the polish back on it, think that will work? I don't want to waste the money.

[Thepainscoming]

Have to agree with blue... this drill is going to get the ball rolling. Pin is in fairly strong position.

Have you had luck with 4000 abralon dull, at all? How often do you clean the ball? It is at 4000 dull now, no polish.

im thinking of redrilling it and drilling it to go longer and put the polish back on it, think that will work? I don't want to waste the money.

I would throw the polish on it first before u redrill it ok. That would save u even more money

[JoshWithrow]

im thinking of redrilling it and drilling it to go longer and put the polish back on it, think that will work? I don't want to waste the money.

Personally? I'd start by just putting a good thick coat of polish on it.

[ek11sx]

Sorry I didn't see tenpin's post. I clean every ball after every set throughly, and my BWS is a 4000 dull and its great. Plus I would have to redrill it anyways, the span is from last year.

[Crusher279757]

I would definately just get the thing polished up first. That way it will save up a little more energy until the end and make a hard turn.

[Rowdy]

Well,yes. But a BWS is MADE to work at 4000 dull. As Tink discovered when she had her Eeb-Oh-Nite drilled is that the driller has to bring his A game or you can wind up with a ball that looks nice but doesn't do much else. I'll vote for the redrill.

[TenPinSniper]

It is at 4000 dull now, no polish.


I understood the ball was dull, hence 4000 abralon, not 4000 polished or 4000 abralon polished.

Just because you like BWS at 4000 abralon (dull) does not mean every ball will work that way for you.

You could try 2000 polished, if you are looking for earlier roll than factory finish. Yes it's worth it too, repolish the ball before redrilling a ball.

The main reason I would recommend redrilling is if you have span issues or after you have tried a few different surfaces and nothing has worked for you.

If you bowl on short or dry lane conditions, polish may be needed.

Lower grits cause the ball to roll earlier, high grits add length... polish will add length also.

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy, i have a feeling he doesn't have the oil for that drill. Its really aggressive and the polish would probably help him, and its pretty cheap. I mean even i could pay for that and i can get a resurface.

[blistershurt]

I had the Big One (bought used, got forced into it really) and it was drilled just like that, and when Ebonite things are drilled to roll early, boy do they roll early, but hit like marshmellows unless you're on a flood.

[Thepainscoming]

O i know tenpinsniper. Its just that u put have u tried it at 4000 dull yet, and i was just clarifying that it was at 4000 dull. Sorry for the confusion.

[Rowdy]

Pain,you're making it sound like it's YOUR ball,when it's someone else's. And how would you know how much oil there is for WHAT drill? All I said was to redrill the ball,because it's got an old span on it and needs to be changed anyway. So take advantage of the situation and have it redrilled for the house conditions that Ek is rolling on now. Makes sense,right? Tune it up,redrill it and after Ek puts some games on it,he can figure out if he needs to change the coverstock or not. But this here is a golden opportunity for a redrill.

[Thepainscoming]

Pain,you're making it sound like it's YOUR ball,when it's someone else's. And how would you know how much oil there is for WHAT drill? All I said was to redrill the ball,because it's got an old span on it and needs to be changed anyway. So take advantage of the situation and have it redrilled for the house conditions that Ek is rolling on now. Makes sense,right? Tune it up,redrill it and after Ek puts some games on it,he can figure out if he needs to change the coverstock or not. But this here is a golden opportunity for a redrill.
Yea i missed the span part. But overall rowdy, that drill will be really aggressive. Thats where im getting at.

[Rowdy]

WHAT DRILL?????? He can get it drilled to hook anyway he wants. I would put something in it that uses a different part of the lane than his BWS. I haven't seen one post here with a specific drill job mentioned. I do not know where you're coming up with this "aggressive drill" stuff.

[BubbaRay]

If what you are looking for is more length with more backend I would have your pro shop guy lay it out with the Pin 5" from your PAP, 1" off your virtecal access line and put the mass bias in a strong position or at 90 degrees. This will get the ball down the lane with that agressive back end you are looking for .

[bluerrpilot]

.... and my BWS is a 4000 dull and its great. Plus I would have to redrill it anyways, the span is from last year.


Just out of curiosity, how is your BW drilled? The reason I ask is the TNV that I had was layed out the same as my BW. Both at 4000 abralon and the TNV was longer down the lane and alot less angular in the back. And with your style, the TNV is drilled to be somewhat smooth and early.

[Cobalt]

Your finger tips look like they are slightly outside of their holes, if your pin is such a distance from your PAP that makes your ball flare a lot, your middle finger tip may actually be hitting your track in the backend, causing the ball to actually come off of the lane for a fraction of a second. At higher rates, this means LESS time that the ball is in contact with the lane, meaning LESS friction, meaning LESS hook.

Try throwing it with lower revs at a lower speed, just to see how it moves. If you don't mind spending the money, go ahead and get new tips and install them flush with the surface with the ball.

[TenPinSniper]

O i know tenpinsniper. Its just that u put have u tried it at 4000 dull yet, and i was just clarifying that it was at 4000 dull. Sorry for the confusion.

Have you had luck with 4000 abralon dull, at all?

Asked if they liked the surface at 4000 abralon, not tried. ;) No Biggie.