Hammer Black Widow Bite

[BubbaRay]

Ok HammerHeads. The official announcement of the Black Widow Bite has been posted to the web site.

http://hammerbowling.com/

Awsome new ball comming in Jan. 2008. This ball has WINNER written all over it.


P/S

Sorry about taking down the threads earlier today but we had to wait uintill Hammer Bowling officially announces the ball

[Spare Time Proshop]

Wow BubbaRay it looks hot.......I hope it sells as well as the BWP...

David Slaven
Spare Time Proshop
Muncie Ind

[thegoldenchild]

The gas-mask core must be something crazy. It seems to be an incredible design that will seemingly last forever.

[Scraps]

Very nice...anxiously awaiting this release.:D

[blistershurt]

What type of cover?
If this ball is particle/pearl I'd be all over it...hoping...it looks pearl.

[Crusher279757]

Alright. I think I know what my next ball will be. :D

[BubbaRay]

What type of cover?
If this ball is particle/pearl I'd be all over it...hoping...it looks pearl.Featuring the High Mass Bias Gas Mask Core with Flip Block and new Violent Bite Reactive coverstock, the Black Widow Bite is what we moderately call “aggressive”. The Black Widow Bite expands the performance offerings in the Black Widow series by offering a stronger hook motion with more aggressive backend. Take that as a warning.

[blistershurt]

doesnt help much, but it sounds either particle pearl or particle
Bite just doesnt sound like a solid or a straight pearl name...cant wait til someone throws t he things and i figure out what it is.

[Steve1591]

*Drools*

Hm, looks like i better put some cash away :rolleyes:

[BigDog]

doesnt help much, but it sounds either particle pearl or particle
Bite just doesnt sound like a solid or a straight pearl name...cant wait til someone throws t he things and i figure out what it is.

I'll bet it's "solid" just from the verbiage. Hammer usually states is it's reactive or pearl.

[ravenhammer]

Alright. I think I know what my next ball will be. :D

Ditto.
Looks like a winner. I just picked up my clear today, and was talking to my pro shop about the NMB.

[BigDog]

*Drools*

Hm, looks like i better put some cash away :rolleyes:

The girl or the BWB? ;)

[Steve1591]

The girl or the BWB? ;)

That girl is nothing compared to that BWB :D

lmao :p

[thegoldenchild]

It's not listed on Legend-star, I hope it stays a US release so they know what it feels like.

[slap]

What type of cover?
If this ball is particle/pearl I'd be all over it...hoping...it looks pearl.

X2...

If it's particle or particle pearl I'm all over it. If not I'll wait for a bargain.

[olie2832]

man i cant wait to see someone throw one of these

[weaselboy]

if the bite is anything like the other 2 it will be a great ball for anyone

[BubbaRay]

The cover is a Solid Violent Bite Reactive
coverstock .

[SledgeMe]

The cover is a Solid Violent Bite Reactive
coverstock .


I am guessing this will be their Heavy ball in the BW line huh?

[BubbaRay]

It's a Med- Heavy oil ball. But with this new coverstock it have a more agressive backend than the BWS.

[SledgeMe]

It's a Med- Heavy oil ball. But with this new coverstock it have a more agressive backend than the BWS.

WOW! After hearing that, I probably won't be buying it because I had to do SOOOOO much to calm the BWS down.

It's a sexy ball, though and I bet it would be wonderful for me in heavy conditions.

[BubbaRay]

I think you might be ok with this BWBite. Just drill it for a strong arc instead of a length with agressive backend.

[Deadman]

So my black widow solid is dying. It has been resurfaced, and lasts for a little, but just not long enough. I plan on keeping it cause i still throw it sometimes. I have a BWP and a Toxic also. Would the BWB be a good fit for me? Like since my BWS is just about dead, would a BWB be good to pick up to kinda slowly replace the BWS?


Not sure how much you can say since no one has rolled it yet...

[Lonewolf300800]

just wondering what the surface finish will be? 2000 sanded, 4000 polished? doesn't state anywhere on the site.

[Deadman]

just wondering what the surface finish will be? 2000 sanded, 4000 polished? doesn't state anywhere on the site.

Box Finish: 4000 Grit Abralon

^^According to buddies

[Street Racer]

woot woot....

i kinda hate hammer realeasing this ball.. ive gotta get it... brett u dont need it... brett u do need it... *evil laugh*

[BubbaRay]

just wondering what the surface finish will be? 2000 sanded, 4000 polished? doesn't state anywhere on the site.

BLACK WIDOW BITE
• Available weights : 12 - 16lbs
• Coverstock : Violent Bite Reactive
• Factory Finish : 4000 Grit Abralon
• Colour : Black / Silver
• Core : Gas Mask Core with flip Block
• RG : 16# - 2.49 15# - 2.50 14# - 2.49 13# - 2.53 12# - 2.60
• Differential : 16# - .049 15# - .060 14# - .057 13# - .055 12# - .039
• Flare Potential : High
• Performance : Strong Hook with Aggressive Backend
• Best Lane Condition: Medium to Heavy Oil

[GforceHammer]

just asked my pro shop to get me a bwb as ive got bwp and nmb looks a awsome bit of kit, but i have to wait a little longer than u lot being in uk that sucks:(

[kurmie]

ok guy, I need someone to clarify this for me. This new Bite goes longer the the solid with a more aggresive backend. Is that not what the Pearl does? I've got my finish knocked off off my pearl, and it out-hooks the solid already. Its a great looking ball, and after I see one roll, I may get one. I think I'll wait until the next No Mercy comes out though.

[Steve1591]

ok guy, I need someone to clarify this for me. This new Bite goes longer the the solid with a more aggresive backend. Is that not what the Pearl does? I've got my finish knocked off off my pearl, and it out-hooks the solid already. Its a great looking ball, and after I see one roll, I may get one. I think I'll wait until the next No Mercy comes out though.

No No No! The pearl is made more for medium oiled lanes compared to the solid being made for heavily oiled lanes. :p

[bluerrpilot]

X2...

If it's particle or particle pearl I'm all over it. If not I'll wait for a bargain.

just find yourself a Big Blue

[BubbaRay]

Here's what I would like to see n the No mmercy Ball line and I have discussed this with Brian Graham. I would love to see a New No Mercy with the No Mercy coverstock and the Gas Mask core with flip block. This combonation would be the deadliest ball they would have. Imagine that going down and then flipping on the back and the hitting power it would have. :eek:

[Boomersooner33]

When is this monster supposed to come out?

[idlehourlegend]

January 4th 2008. From what that earlier thread said.

[BubbaRay]

I don't even know if they are considering it. I just Gave Brian some feedback on some ideas. It would be nice though. Think about this combonation. Sound like a good one to you?

[Boomersooner33]

http://www.bowlerstore.com/p-2318-hammer-black-widow-bite.aspx

Looks like $124.95. Going to go ahead and pre-order this now. The cherry vibe can wait...LOL

[perek]

Boy I want this ball. I am afriad it will be too much bite for what I bowl. :(

[Steve1591]

January 4th 2008. From what that earlier thread said.

Yup. Its the 4th for anyone who isnt sure...

[xGatez]

Well with my current stuff do you think it would be a better idea to get the bite or the pearl?

[blistershurt]

Bite, you already have a strong pearl.

[xGatez]

thats exactly the answer i wanted. haha

[blistershurt]

its the truth though, you need to balance out your arsenal, and this ball with give you 2 pearls and 2 solids.

Also, all of your stuff is low mass bias, this will also give you a high mass bias ball.

[NeoWidow18]

Is Hammer coming out with a new No Mercy ball?

[BubbaRay]

Is Hammer coming out with a new No Mercy ball?

Nothing that I know of. I was just making a statement on what I owuld like to see in a No mercy Ball line.

[SplitMaster]

Well it sure is a good looking ball...med to heavy...but I just got the Anger...and um...this ball is the answer for me...so the bwb might be quite a bit later down the line for me...although the color combo on the bwp looks great..but like I said..I got its conditions covered...but good looking ball Hammer...way to go!

[TenPinSniper]

Here's what I would like to see n the No mmercy Ball line and I have discussed this with Brian Graham. I would love to see a New No Mercy with the No Mercy coverstock and the Gas Mask core with flip block. This combonation would be the deadliest ball they would have. Imagine that going down and then flipping on the back and the hitting power it would have. :eek:

I don't even know if they are considering it. I just Gave Brian some feedback on some ideas. It would be nice though. Think about this combonation. Sound like a good one to you?

Bubba, this time, gonna have to strongly and completely disagree, the Gas Mask core does not belong in the No Mercy line (period), that would be a unholy as changing the core in any of the lines. Then again I don't think the No Mercy core belongs in other lines right now. Personally, right now I will not in my right mind ever buy another Hammer Bowling Ball with the forsakken Gas Mask core. (Most people here disagree, but I have not had a ball with this core that ever worked for me.) I've put all kinds of different surfaces on this ball, 1000 Dull it hooks like an animal.

The No Mercy line was created to aviod the weight holes, Keep CG with in 1" of grip center, blah, blah to go with the possiblity of new USBC rules that died. This is what makes the No Mercy, is it own core. When they release the new New Mercy, I'll probably get one.

If they wish to release the No Mercy line with a BW Cover and the Black Widow line with No Mercy covers, that could be interesting. But, i think right now the BW line out selling most everything. But how may of us really see conditions, that we need a ball from the No Mercy line?

Will add the BW Bite looks awesome!!!

[SplitMaster]

I think...No Mercy Whoop'n is the next one in line from what Ive heard ..but I hope not...thats a dumb name..the beat'n to me was dumb...good ball..dumb name..lol...they need to release spares instead of 24 med heavy balls right now

[TenPinSniper]

Yeah I have wonder about several ball name too... The Bite seems to be better than most...

Maybe they could name the next, next No Mercy... No Mercy Time or Show No Mercy...

Beat'n is better than the speculated new ball name.

Oh yeah, Spare No Mercy and BW Spare... One with White Letters and the other with Red Letters.

[pba6285]

just find yourself a Big Blue

Even thought the BB has the Gas Mask core the BB and BBP covers were dogs.

I avoided the BW for 6 months because of the core. The new cover on the BW made the ball.

[Rowdy]

So I guess all those 225's and up I'm throwin' with the Big Blue Pearl I got from Danny Wiseman are just luck? That ball will outhook most BW's any day. It's everything I want in a Hammer,hooks and hits hard.

[Rowdy]

Nice lookin' ball. But it's got the same RG and Diff numbers as the BW's already out. That's pushing the core to the max,now. What makes the coverstock so great this time around? Somhow I just can't justify the cash outlay to put what I already have in my bag. Nice try,though. Now,where's my damn spare ball? Hurry up,already.

[TenPinSniper]

So I guess all those 225's and up I'm throwin' with the Big Blue Pearl I got from Danny Wiseman are just luck? That ball will outhook most BW's any day. It's everything I want in a Hammer,hooks and hits hard.

Rowdy, the Big Blue was a decent ball for some, but not nearly as many as the BW... Another dud with this core was the Big Deal. The Coverstock on the BW made the ball. The Big Blue Series did not make near the impact on the bowling like the BW Series.

[pba6285]

No I am not saying that.

What I am saying is In my hands the BW series of balls are better than the BB series. I was convinced by the Former PBA Tour Ball Ball rep of another company that the difference in the change of coverstock made the BW a better ball the the BB.

I would also say I would bet Ron Hickland would also say the cover stock is better on the BW vs the BB

I would bet the BW series has out sold the BB series at least 3-1. Why because of the better reaction and the more versitle coverstock of the BW

I had tons of 225 with the BB and BBPearl but not the number of 250+ that I have with the BW Series

[bigsexyhammer]

Here it is in living color...

The REAL reason the BW has sold more than either of the Bigs is because it looks badass....
http://www.hammerbowling.com/ball_images/black_widow.jpg




fairly gay....
http://www.hammerbowling.com/wpimages/equipment_image/bigbluepearl.jpg




nothing to write home about...
http://www.hammerbowling.com/wpimages/bigdeal.jpg




So you see class...image is everything;)

[can-ham]

Here's what I would like to see n the No mmercy Ball line and I have discussed this with Brian Graham. I would love to see a New No Mercy with the No Mercy coverstock and the Gas Mask core with flip block. This combonation would be the deadliest ball they would have. Imagine that going down and then flipping on the back and the hitting power it would have. :eek:

That sounds like a good one for the widow line. If it's a No Mercy I think I needs the Hart core. At this point I'd take a new No Mercy with the Hart core and the Widow pearl cover or TNV cover...

[hbhammerhead]

I don't even know if they are considering it. I just Gave Brian some feedback on some ideas. It would be nice though. Think about this combonation. Sound like a good one to you?

ya i think that would be a great idea. what would be a good name for that ball?

[ravenhammer]

The tech specs (http://www.hammerbowling.com/tech_info/info.php) have been updated.

[TenPinSniper]

The spec's look good for those interested in this ball, looks like a BW for heavy oil... make me wonder what else is in store...

[Street Racer]

4000 grit polished? whats going on there... isnt it suppose to be sanded?

[BubbaRay]

4000 grit polished? whats going on there... isnt it suppose to be sanded?


Not really. If it has polish think about how Violent this new Coverstock might be

[TenPinSniper]

Can we say angular... man even that peaks my interest. (And I'm on the self-imposed no Gas Mask core ban.)

[ravenhammer]

I hope this coverstock is noticeably stronger than my BW producing more angle, then, I think I am going to take my BW down to 2000 and see if it gets smoother.

[kurmie]

Outhooks the beat'n and goes almost as long as the bwp! WOW

[Young300]

Not really. If it has polish think about how Violent this new Coverstock might be

No kidding. This ball might be like the BWP when you knock off the shine and puit it at about 2000 and it will be the strongest things on the lanes.

[Street Racer]

Not really. If it has polish think about how Violent this new Coverstock might be

think on how great it would be to replace my total nv hehehehe... lol

[BubbaRay]

I've thought about that and I think it should replace it. :D

[Street Racer]

I've thought about that and I think it should replace it. :D

should i start saving already? lol

rocky has already started the... oh you dont need it...

[Hotshot]

ya im already pre ordering mine along with my anger and i got a BWP waiting for me theres 400 bucks :(

[BubbaRay]

should i start saving already? lol

rocky has already started the... oh you dont need it...

That is because Rocky wants it. :D :D :D

[Street Racer]

ya im already pre ordering mine along with my anger and i got a BWP waiting for me theres 400 bucks :(

dw i just spent $460AUD last night which = 396.334 USD

i got the following... Home Delivered:D woot...
1 3 1/2 Inch Cherry Vibe
1 Frikken awesome looking black widow clear!!!!!!!
1 Box of Rosin(12 in the box)... i couldnt buy a packet:confused: now i dont need rosin for the next trillion years
1 Tape of Turbo 2n1 Smooth Patch
1 3n1 bowlers tool....(this thing owns!)

That is because Rocky wants it. :D


and yup its prob true

[Rowdy]

Whoa...a Big Blue Pearl is "fairly gay"? WTF???? Bring it on!!! I'll only bring my "gay ball",you bring all your gear,I'll give you 25 pins a game and still kick some ass! What a doofus statement. Where do you think the Gas Mask core came from???? It didn't start out in a BW.

[bigsexyhammer]

Chill brother...take the meds man:p

I was mostly referring to the Big Blue logo. I always hated it...just thought it was really odd looking. I think most would agree that if a random person walked into the proshop and was asked to pick between the Black Widow, and the Big Blue, they would pick the BW the majority of the time, solely due to the name/logo.

And don't worry...we'll roll someday. I will get over to SoCar one time or the other, and we will hit the lanes. But it aint gonna be no grudge match, where someone give the other 25 pins and says there's gonna be a whoopn laid... It will be a good ol time, with plenty of beer, and BS stories sure to abound.

Besides, that Big Blue don't stand a chance, cause when my Diesel blows the rack, its got Black SMOKE rollin out the stacks!!!

I'm out son:D

[Rowdy]

Bring it on,bring it on. And I ain't your son,boy.

[SplitMaster]

Personally I like the logo....but I ride bikes..so skulls fit right on in lol

[bigsexyhammer]

Personally I like the logo....but I ride bikes..so skulls fit right on in lol

Yeah Split, I ride too, and dig skulls just as much as anyone, but THAT skull for some reason, man I don't know....

I think its the "cheeks":confused:

Hell it doesnt matter. I would still roll one in a heartbeat. After all, it DOES have a HAMMER engraved on the side of it.;)

[idlehourlegend]

Well, heres the price and the pre order from Buddies.

http://www.buddiesproshop.com/product/5317/Hammer_Black_Widow_Bite_Bowling_Ball_-_January_2008.htm

[TenPinSniper]

Thats more than what I expect on the price.

[idlehourlegend]

It might just be because its a pre order but Im not sure.

[HammerheadKenny]

I currently have an original Widow, the Pearl, and the clear. I was thinking about when this ball comes out whether or not I should get it or not. What do you guys think? I guess I will have to wait til people throw it, because if it's not much different than the original it wouldn't be worth it

[Cashbowl Matt1103]

What a Beauty!!! When I grow out of 13lbs, I might just get that thing!!

[Rowdy]

Kenny,I'm with you on this. With the same RG and Diff numbers as the other BW's,I'm wondering just how good the new coverstock is. Is this thing gonna be an oil hog? How much work is it gonna take to keep this thing hooking? Are we gonna have drill issues with this one? I don't get how this thing is supposed to hook more,but the layouts never change. If you're gonna crank it up,the fingerholes have to move. But I never have seen any of Billy O's or Tones layouts on here. They ain't government secrets.

[blistershurt]

its going to have same RG and Diff numbers unless they change the core, which means we will get to see what the new coverstock does for this ball.

I'm guessing this is supposed to be the real heavy oil Widow, then they'd have everything covered, there are people out there who will buy ANYTHING with the Black Widow name on it.

[Street Racer]

its going to have same RG and Diff numbers unless they change the core, which means we will get to see what the new coverstock does for this ball.

I'm guessing this is supposed to be the real heavy oil Widow, then they'd have everything covered, there are people out there who will buy ANYTHING with the Black Widow name on it.

it cant be if the ball says it is polished?

[blistershurt]

Tell that to the Infinate One or the Big One, they both rolled out for me polished.

[BigDog]

Tell that to the Infinate One or the Big One, they both rolled out for me polished.

I threw the "One" series an Ebonite demo days a little over a year ago. I couldn't control the One - It thought it had too much over-under - The closer to the moat I threw it, the higher in the pocket it hit, except for one ball which left a 7-10 on a pocket hit.

I liked the Big One - That ball worked very well for me that day I had quite a few strikes with it. The Infinite One was pretty good also, but I thought that the Big One was the pick of the litter.

But my Hammer stuff still hits better than the Ebonite stuff.

[MSulzer5710]

Most definately solid reactive. And as for the Gas Mask core, this core is great with the right shell on it. The Big Deal and B/W Pearl were okay, but the B/W was arguably one of the best balls of all time. Hopefully this shell is on par with the original Violent Reactive, which I've heard is actually GB 10.7.... any thoughts?

[BubbaRay]

Most definately solid reactive. And as for the Gas Mask core, this core is great with the right shell on it. The Big Deal and B/W Pearl were okay, but the B/W was arguably one of the best balls of all time. Hopefully this shell is on par with the original Violent Reactive, which I've heard is actually GB 10.7.... any thoughts?

I agree about the Gas Mask core and everything but isn't the GB10.7 kinda weak? Thats basically a weakewr coverstock than the Angular one Ebonite has.

[Street Racer]

I agree about the Gas Mask core and everything but isn't the GB10.7 kinda weak? Thats basically a weakewr coverstock than the Angular one Ebonite has.

the 10.7 cover isnt that weak...

[BubbaRay]

Compaired to some of the covers it is. Look at the Big One , what's the GB rating? 11.2 ? And I am sure the BWB is alot stronger than the Big One is. I understand the Gas Mask core makes alot of difference and I have seen other Hammer balls with more agressive movement than the Big One.

[blistershurt]

The Hammer Black Widow Bite features a solid reactive coverstock. The silver used in the ball does contain contain pearl which is used to give it the silver look instead of a plain gray color.




thats what I got from BG after I emailed him about it.

[Thepainscoming]

I agree about the Gas Mask core and everything but isn't the GB10.7 kinda weak? Thats basically a weakewr coverstock than the Angular one Ebonite has.
The angular one wasn't that weak. Just with it being pearl and the core not being as aggressive the bw core it might be weaker, but the angular one wasn't weak.

[Rowdy]

Anyone happen to look at the new artwork for the Bite? Sure did surprise me to see that it has a HART core in it. Then down in the ball description it says it has the Gas Mask core. Whoopee!!! A "dual core" ball!:eek: What will they think of next??? Can I retro fit all my other BW's like this??? Or should we just take the proof reader out back and shoot him???

[GforceHammer]

i had the angular one and to be honest my bwp out hooked it easily to be honest i wasnt that happy with the angular one but i loved the one i had b4 it cracked