Leaving 7 - Pin (Lefty, First ball)

[Boomersooner33]

Last week in my league I left 10-7 pins in my 3 game set. I still was able to bowl a 640, but I keep slamming my head into the wall thinking what could have been. Now my question is, would taking maybe a 1/4 step back from my original approach posistion keep this from happening? (Talking about throwing my first ball.) Thanks in advance.

[BubbaRay]

Takina 1/2 to 1/2 step back usually will do it . It's all about the entry angle of the ball into the pocket. You could also slightly change your hand position,change the angle/shot.,Slightly re-position your pointing finger, Aim further down the lane.

Here is a good thread about leaving the 10 or the 7. Jusr reverse the description for a left handed bowler. The same things applies to a lefty. Here are some very good videos of a solid pocket hit and light hits from a USBC study.

Click the link at the bottom of this post and then click on the videos on the right hand side for each shot

http://www.bowl.com/bowltv/highspeed.aspx

[bluerrpilot]

Like Bubba said....its all about entry angle. Moving back, slowing down, different ball, changing axis tilt so on and so on..... these are all things that can be utilized when adjusting to lanes and conditions to achieve the desired entry angle for good carry.

[Thepainscoming]

Wut no body has asked is if it is a weak or ringing seven?

[BubbaRay]

Boomer, were they weak 7's / ringing 7's / or flat 7's ?

[bluerrpilot]

Wut no body has asked is if it is a weak or ringing seven?


Its because it really doesnt matter. The fix/cause is still the same

[Mike_N_Nashville]

As a fellow leftie I have also found that moving 1/2 to 1 board right or left and aiming over the same arrow will also solve this problem.

As everyone else already mentioned it is due to the entry angle of the ball into the pocket and a mere 1/2 to 1 board shift can change the entry angle enough to carry.

Mike

[Thepainscoming]

Its because it really doesnt matter. The fix/cause is still the same
Well a flat ten means u have to get ur ball to stop bleeding so much energy off in the mid-lane and heads. Ringing u can use the approach adjustments easier and more effectively. Me, i have my own technique for ringing tens.

[ravenhammer]

Its because it really doesnt matter. The fix/cause is still the same

I was always told to move forward for ringing and back for flat 10 pins(righty)

[bluerrpilot]

Well a flat ten means u have to get ur ball to stop bleeding so much energy off in the mid-lane and heads. Ringing u can use the approach adjustments easier and more effectively. Me, i have my own technique for ringing tens.

I was always told to move forward for ringing and back for flat 10 pins(righty)

Speed up, slow down, move right, move left, move up, move back, hit it harder, hit it less......Since conditions are never a constant, you shouldnt lock yourself into thinking there is only 1 way to correct the problem.

[Thepainscoming]

Speed up, slow down, move right, move left, move up, move back, hit it harder, hit it less......Since conditions are never a constant, you shouldnt lock yourself into thinking there is only 1 way to correct the problem.
That i know, its just that for ringing tens, u might want to slow down to get it to roll a bit earlier, but for flat u might want to speed up and thats really not the same fix for both of them.

[Rowdy]

Try reading the sticky about light pocket strikes. The slo-mo video will amaze you. Once you see what the proper entry angle is and how the pins interact with each other,you'll really have an understanding about how you roll a strike. And stop leaving 7 or 10 pins. I spent a lot of time reading the study and watching all the video that the USBC put out. I realized that I wasn't putting the ball where it should have been. I used to leave a TON of 10 pins and couldn't figure out why. Now,I KNOW. I also figured out what to do to stop leaving all those damn 10 pins. It's so much nicer to get all these strikes than to shoot 10 pin spares.

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy, IMO u could have all the entry angle in the world, but if ur ball is deflecting a lot ur still not gonna carry.

[Rowdy]

Really? Then why do five year old kids and ninety year old ladies get strikes? I don't belive it's ball speed. Watch the video at least. Learn.

[Thepainscoming]

O i know that, but those bowlers really dont get angle either. I just mentioned speed as one fix, that should get the ball to not lose all the energy so it wouldn't leave a flat ten.

[Rowdy]

Have you read the study and watched the vid?

[Thepainscoming]

Yes and its all about angle i know that, but im saying that if ur ball doesn't have any energy stored left, and u hit the pocket perfect with the angle u had last time u struck flush, ur probably not going to strike. Just because of all the deflection that ur gonna encounter that u didn't encounter last throw.

[Rowdy]

You missed the point of it all. If the entry angle is correct,the ball speed doesn't matter. Watch the pins,not the ball. It's like dominoes. Start the rack falling correctly and the ball pretty much doesn't matter. EVERY ball deflects when it hits the pocket. But if you look closely,the pins are done falling before the ball can get through the rack. We used to call it a "Mixer" strike. As soon as the ball hits the pocket,the pins "Mix" and blow themselves off the deck. There's no sidewall action at all.

[Rowdy]

Let's try this: I can strike with the same ball at 18mph or 7 mph. Energy helps of course,but you don't have to have it to strike.

[bluerrpilot]

uummmm......How much "energy" is stored up with a plastic ball?

[Rowdy]

Enough to do the job.