rico on a BWB?

[yotamonster]

how would it be on this ball. im a stroker with low revs so from what im reading could it help me get the reaction im wanting out of a ball.:confused:

[BubbaRay]

If the conditions you throw on are usually Heavy oil this drill will work on the BWB. Being you are a low rev rate player it will give you the movement you want. But my best advice to you is this, Have your pro shop guy / girl watch you throw and if you trust him / her they will give you the best advice.

[Stampy79]

Pro SHop girl huh ! hmmm theres a concept to ponder. I could use some help ya know !!!:rolleyes: But I think I need a Pro Shop Woman at my age

[Fatboy8]

I 2nd Bubba's comment. That would be a great drilling for this ball, but have you pro shop person or coach watch you, and see if they'd think it'd work out.

[bluerrpilot]

Since you are rev challenged, this drill could help the ball read the lane sooner. But would strongly reconsider putting that layout on this ball. The ball is already pretty strong and using that layout could make the ball use all it energy too soon resulting in weak hits at the pocket. One of the primary objects of this drill is to create asymmetry in a symmetric ball. Also, If you now drill into the mass bias, your now adding bias to the other side of the ball, making it more balanced and taking away some of that asymmetry.

[Rowdy]

If you're THAT "rev challenged" I belive that lessons would pay off more than a RICO drill on a Bite. That ball would be close to uncontrollable if your line gets fried. You'd be mighty embarrased to hook the ball all the way in front of the rack and miss everything.:eek:

[Stampy79]

PLease remember, the drill will work on the ball, but it is a conditional drilling. Its not really for everyday use. The layout requires oil !

[Rowdy]

Excellent point,Stampy. A RICO drill is NOT a substitute for low revs.

[Stampy79]

Basically a RICO is for over/under conditions and when nothing else really works ! LOL

[Rowdy]

Uh-oh. Now you're gonna have to tell 'em what an over/under condition is.

[yotamonster]

ive only been bowling for a few months so take easy on me for not knowing all the bowling lingo. If someone feels up to it they can tell me what over/under means.

[TenPinSniper]

Since you are rev challenged, this drill could help the ball read the lane sooner. But would strongly reconsider putting that layout on this ball. The ball is already pretty strong and using that layout could make the ball use all it energy too soon resulting in weak hits at the pocket. One of the primary objects of this drill is to create asymmetry in a symmetric ball. Also, If you now drill into the mass bias, your now adding bias to the other side of the ball, making it more balanced and taking away some of that asymmetry.

The other side already has a bias (Mass Bias) its just not marked. Its a dual plane deal, they just make one with a small pin indicator. (I've have discussed this with Brian Graham atleast twice now.) Usually the marked side is the dominate MB.

[Stampy79]

Ok here goes. Over/Under is a term used for when your ball hits the dry on a house shot. Some balls and drillings will actually jump real hard toward the pins very irratically. Others will just try to walk to the pins and never really make it. It seems no matter what line or ball you try, it just isnt going to happen....and then stampy got mad and took his spare ball and pointed it from the corner and with a mighty heave and yell he let it loose right toward the pocket and... oops sorry, I forgot to pay attention ! And that my friend is usually what happens on a shot with a lot of over/under which you may hear some refer to as a wet/dry shot also. BUt this drilling will help about 75% of the bowlers who use it. I do not know if it will work for me yet, thats the nice thing about working in a pro shop. The boss gave me a used (slightly) Scorchin Inferno to plug up and drill RICO. I will know tonight if it works or not. If you do use it,please be sure that you will not get a reaction like any other equiptment you have thrown or seen thrown.

[yotamonster]

thanks for the explaination stampy.

[bluerrpilot]

The other side already has a bias (Mass Bias) its just not marked. Its a dual plane deal, they just make one with a small pin indicator. (I've have discussed this with Brian Graham atleast twice now.) Usually the marked side is the dominate MB.

By definition you cannot have 2 "equal" mass bias's. So if the mass or weight of the core is biased in one direction that is where it is marked. If you take weight out of that spot, you are now reducing the bias. In turn taking the imbalance out

And since a Rico drill requires that you put a hole 6 ¾ from the pin, that would generally mean drilling into and removing weight from that marked mass bias.

[TenPinSniper]

You right if you drill into the Mass Bias of the ball it will lower the differential of the ball. Also, by drill into the Mass Bias, when you lowering the High Rg Differential, you will smooth out the reaction, that and the combination of PtoP (Pin Placement).

http://bowl.com/bowltv/main.aspx
Go to Credibility, the the Core Story.

Take the Gas Mask Core when its spun at its it top you have one RG value, then its placed on its side you have the other RG value and you have determined the differential. But once you flip this core 90 degree the "filters" per se... are the creating the High RG Differential for the Mass Bias. Since this ball has two filters when you do this you have two High Mass Bias... I know I have stated in the past its the Dominate Mass Bias marked... the only reason I maybe still believe that is because the Pin could add some density to that side of the ball, creating only a slightly stronger Mass Bias.

[TenPinSniper]

You had stated the Black Widow (Gas Mask Core) and the No Mercy (Hart Core) bowling balls had dual mass bias. Is this correct? These are going to be located 6 3/4" from the pin, the unmarked Mass Bias is going to be 180 degree from the marked Mass Bias (in most cases).

The Black Widow is a typical mass bias ball and is marked accordingly. In addition to the mark indicated, there is an additional mass bias location at 13 ½” from the one marked. This is the High RG Axis (called mass bias in bowling). The No Mercy is marked on the Medium RG Axis so the mark is not the mass bias. The actual mass bias is located at 6 ¾” from the pin and 6 ¾” from the HART on both sides of the ball. The concept behind the No Mercy was to provide the ability to do strong layouts without the need for weight holes.

So on the Black Widow would that measuring from the HMB Pin back over the Pin (Top of the Weight Block) in a straight line with a Quarter Scale or Pro Sect Gage? Which would be 13 1/2" from the marked Mass Bias or 6 3/4" from the Pin.

That is correct. It will be the opposite side of the ball.

This is the email exchange I had w/ Brian Graham yesterday.

[yotamonster]

since i know nothing about what yous guys are talking about, is that a yes or no to a rico layout on the BWB.

[slap]

You right if you drill into the Mass Bias of the ball it will lower the differential of the ball. Also, by drill into the Mass Bias, when you lowering the High Rg Differential, you will smooth out the reaction, that and the combination of PtoP (Pin Placement).


I agree that drilling into the mass bias/ psa lowers the value of high Rg axis but I believe that it also increases the intermediate differential of the ball and making the core stronger.

This is based on second hand information about the "Gradient Line" theory presented by Mo Pinel and the USBC.

[BubbaRay]

since i know nothing about what yous guys are talking about, is that a yes or no to a rico layout on the BWB.

If you are thinking about the Rico layout on the BWB make sure you threow it on the right condition. On light oil the ball will read the mid lane real early and it won't have anything left for the back. On a heavy oil pattern this early mid lane read will be of benifit. The BWB is agressive as it is.

[Lonewolf300800]

just curious how this rico drill would work on an Anger with a 2-3" pin. span is 4 1/2" and 4 7/16 cut to cut?

[Rowdy]

Close the side door at the lanes. Or else you'll be chasing that Anger out in the parking lot. It'll hook a bunch.

[bluerrpilot]

just curious how this rico drill would work on an Anger with a 2-3" pin. span is 4 1/2" and 4 7/16 cut to cut?

It would probably work good so long as you put a shine on it that would make a crystal ball jealous

[TenPinSniper]

Think the RICO Layout would be good on both balls, its probably not gonna be good on alot of house shot for most.