Layout

[jzapper]

I had my Anger drilled for heavy oil with the #3 layout. The driller put the pin 3" and 3/8" from PAP with the CG kicked out about 1". He didn't say and I did not ask him why he moved the CG over. There is no balance hole. My PAP is 5" and 3/4" up. I have a high ball track, med speed and men revs. The problem is that the ball has plenty of flare but no backend. I have tried adjusting the surface from 1000, 2000, and 4000 Abralon with not much change. Have any ideas?

[uberamd]

How much is it hooking for you midlane, what is your speed like, stroker, cranker, oil pattern when testing, etc?

[Rowdy]

The ball has flare but no backend? So,it hooks and then does......what?

[grayfin68]

I had my Anger drilled for heavy oil with the #3 layout. The driller put the pin 3" and 3/8" from PAP with the CG kicked out about 1". He didn't say and I did not ask him why he moved the CG over. There is no balance hole. My PAP is 5" and 3/4" up. I have a high ball track, med speed and men revs. The problem is that the ball has plenty of flare but no backend. I have tried adjusting the surface from 1000, 2000, and 4000 Abralon with not much change. Have any ideas?

With that layout, the ball should be plenty strong. From what I understand, moving the CG won't have much impact. The Anger should have plenty of backend.

[Rowdy]

He moved the CG over to help the ball hook with the revs you have. If the coverstock has gone from 4000 down to 1000 with no change in reaction, I'm thinking it's the attitude of the ball at release thats causing the problem. The core isn't turning over in the right axies to get the ball motion you're looking for.

[Rowdy]

Now I'm sure of it. Thats a layout for a medium track on your ball,not a high track. You're either going to have to change your release or redrill the ball. Or add an X hole.

[Cobalt]

Now I'm sure of it. Thats a layout for a medium track on your ball,not a high track. You're either going to have to change your release or redrill the ball. Or add an X hole.

if his pin is 3 3/8" from his PAP, its a maximum flare layout, i.e. max hook. The layout is correct.

As for why its not reacting properly, it may be your release angle. If your ball is spinning more "head over heels" then it won't budge. However, if you ball is spinning perpendicular to the direction its moving, it'll be very aggressive.

[bluerrpilot]

Like Cobalt said 3 3/8” is max flare and max hook. But that max hook is NOT going to be in the back of the lane. It’s all early and mid-lane. Plus the Anger isn't a huge backend ball anyway. If you want more backend, you will have to try polishing it. That way it can save up some energy for down-lane

[jzapper]

Now I'm sure of it. Thats a layout for a medium track on your ball,not a high track. You're either going to have to change your release or redrill the ball. Or add an X hole.

I think your right, after looking at the layouts, it looks closer to the medium track than the high track. I am 58 yrs old and not very good at changing my release angles, so would drilling a X hole help and exactly where would it go. If the ball is in specs now, can a X hole still be added?

[bluerrpilot]

Thats a layout for a medium track on your ball,not a high track.

If that was the case and he's a high track bowler, then the ball should have more backend then.

[Cobalt]

I think your right, after looking at the layouts, it looks closer to the medium track than the high track. I am 58 yrs old and not very good at changing my release angles, so would drilling a X hole help and exactly where would it go. If the ball is in specs now, can a X hole still be added?

You cannot tell if the layout is for high or low track just by looking at the ball. The pictures in the layout sheet is just an example of what it might look like after drilling. It is all based on your pin-pap distance.

As for a balance hole, unless the ball needs one to make it statically legal, it's better to stay away from them. The only way you can place a balance hole in a ball to change its reaction is to put it on the line that the pin and pap are in. That still doesn't leave you with a large window of options, because you have to be able to have enough weight to drill a balance hole into it and keep it legal.
Work on your release, that sounds like it is the issue here.

[Daorge]

Maybe I missed it but has no one thought that the ball just might be rolling out on him?

have you tried polish at all?

[NeoWidow18]

Ok you NEED to polish it. Trust me I polished mine. Heres what you do: go to buddiesproshop.com, order the powerhouse magic shine (it increses length and backend without afecting the overall hook of the ball. also this is not a very shiny polish. It will have a flat look. like that on a car with very little wax.), Wait for it to come, polish it by hand or take it to the shop and let them do it with the magic shine, now go strike, and last comeback and think me. :)

[TenPinSniper]

Ask your proshop to order the polish, by the time you pay for shipping it cheap to have the proshop special order cleaner and polish.

I've seen people pay $10 online for a small bottle of cleaner that my proshop guy sells for $5 or 6.

[jzapper]

Ok you NEED to polish it. Trust me I polished mine. Heres what you do: go to buddiesproshop.com, order the powerhouse magic shine (it increses length and backend without afecting the overall hook of the ball. also this is not a very shiny polish. It will have a flat look. like that on a car with very little wax.), Wait for it to come, polish it by hand or take it to the shop and let them do it with the magic shine, now go strike, and last comeback and think me. :)

Which surface would you recommend, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon?

[Cobalt]

Which surface would you recommend, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon?

Since you are rolling a hammer, i would recommend doing 1000 grit, and then using Power House Factory Ball Finish polish.
I say PH polish simply because all hammer balls that are factory polished are done so with it.

[agroves]

As others have stated, the ball isn't designed for a large backend motion. If the pin is 3 3/8 from your axis, then you are getting maximum flare potential.

Do you roll the ball end over end? If you are, then the Anger is going to read very early and not react on the back much, if at all. Try getting your hand to the side of the ball more.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/tip35.htm

[bluerrpilot]

Maybe I missed it but has no one thought that the ball just might be rolling out on him?

have you tried polish at all?


yep, you missed it. :D

[NeoWidow18]

Which surface would you recommend, 500, 1000, 2000, 4000 Abralon?

mines at 2000.