Rollin' With Rowdy....Part 2

[Rowdy]

Geez,leave y'all alone for a couple of days and look what happens. Play nice or I'll take away your bowling balls. Now,having passion for your particular stance on a subject is fine and dandy to me. That's what I'm trying to fire up, your passion for the sport of bowling and the betterment of the sport. You got passion,speak up. BUT...If you have to resort to name calling and belittlement to make your point,well....take up golf and quit bowling. You'll fit right in at the country club.

[blistershurt]

Speaking of golf...there's this kid who comes with one of my teammates to league and is his bowling caddy...its really sad, when you bowl 3 games you shouldnt have to change balls every frame, much less have someone else decide for you lol

[yotamonster]

no name calling please people. that's for poopyheads.

[can-ham]

Hey Rowdy, I'd actually like to request your thoughts on a topic. Not quite state of the game or USBC. But how do you deal with negative opponents and team mates?

So three times in the last month and a half I've com upagainst some very bad whiners / soar losers. Our league is set up in teams of three each bowler playing match play against the other bowler in their class. I really try to bring a positive attitude, always cheer for my team and the other team and really respect good bowling (even when it beats me) but I am also very competitive and love to strike out for the steal. But the problem is it's just not as fun when your opponent is crying after every shot or bitching about their carry (like their bowling in a different house than you). Even worse is when you start striking they get more mad. An example was last week in the second frame of the first game I had thrown a double, my opponent missed a spare and said "Oh great I'm bowling this crap and Greg's going to bowl a 300!" this attitude went way south when that double turned into a 5 bagger and I scored a 243 to his 158. But I would catch him just glaring at me when he wasn't bowling, if he didn't strike he would recklessly toss his spare ball down the lane while swearing. Keep in mind he is 50 years old and this is a guy who I considered a friend, is also youth coach! Any way just wonder what you would do? I ended up talking to him and said he didn't want to be like another dude in our league (who is an even bigger whiner and every one hates bowling him because of it). But these guys team mates end up apologizing for this bowlers behavior, and both teams have told me they hate bowling with these guys.

So I kind know what you might say and just to follow up in the second game I was really struggling with my spares (yes I'm trying to work on them but when I'm tense I really can't hit my mark with my spare ball). So in the 6th frame I've now got a whopping 83 and I'm down by 43 pins (similar to Chris and Mike). Well I find a line in the 7th and after the first shot of the 10th I've got a 4 bagger and he leaves an open, I finish with two more strikes and win by 10 points. Needless to say the rest of the night I felt like I had my foot on his throat as I swept all my games.

[Rowdy]

Speaking of golf...there's this kid who comes with one of my teammates to league and is his bowling caddy...its really sad, when you bowl 3 games you shouldnt have to change balls every frame, much less have someone else decide for you lol

"Bowling Caddie?" I'm intrigued....someone to hold my balls for me and who tells me what to think? Oh,wait. I've already got one of those. Is bitching part of the job description,too?

[Rowdy]

no name calling please people. that's for poopyheads.

Thank you. A good laugh was had by all.

[ravenhammer]

"Bowling Caddie?" I'm intrigued....someone to hold my balls for me and who tells me what to think?
No they run to the bar every third frame! Got to have your priorities.:cool:

[Rowdy]

Interesting problem. Sore head loser crybabies. When they are oppenents,striking a lot and really rubbing it in is good for the soul,but bad for your rep. A fist pump is fine and a special something when you close out the 10th is okay. As long as they were being a sore loser first. The swearing out loud part while whiffing a spare ball is just not right. On so many levels. One,it just looks bad. Two,that and all the snide remarks are in fact a violation of Rule 17b,1. That's verbal abuse in anyone's league. You could try and say something off to the side about it,but usually that only fans the flames. I've found it's better to MAKE the league officers earn their keep for the night. Make it THEIR problem. Inform them of whats going on and that you INSIST (Use that word) that they take immediate action. If you don't insist,they'll claim that you weren't serious about your complaint. Follow up with them later on.

This is also when having a very dry sense of humor can help. Next time the loser bitches about carry just look over and tell him that when you rolled at HIS house,you had no problem shooting...whatever. Make up three or four really good scores. Something higher than he shoots there. Yes,it's a fib. But boy howdy,will he blow a gasket. Think he's gonna score after that? Nope. Hey,he brought it up first,all's fair in love and bowling.

Now,if it's a teammate thats being a poopyhead,(Thanks,Yota)you drag his sorry butt off to the side,to where no one else can hear you. Then you let him have it,right between the eyes. Tell him flat out,you don't want to give the other team anything to get riled up about and start trying to really kick your asses because of his motor mouth. I belive the phrase is:"Shut Up and Bowl".

I can sympathize with your "whopping 83" in the 6th. I've been there too. I feel your pain.

[Rowdy]

No they run to the bar every third frame! Got to have your priorities.:cool:

And she takes MY wallet with her!

[Rowdy]

Just some things that popped into my head at practice:

If the Daytona 500 is the Super Bowl of NASCAR,how come the Super Bowl ain't the Daytona 500 of Pro Football? Fair is fair,after all.

How come the bigger and better the flyer,the worse the league or tournament is?

Why do people feel the need to tell me what I'm doing wrong while I'm putting up a score they can only dream about? I always find something positive to say about someone's swing when I watch them.

Why is it that the bigger the mouth,the weaker the excuse?

If a couple of my balls don't get it together,I'm going to go to the big bridge in Charleston and prove that two objects of different weight WILL hit the water at the same time when dropped of said big ass bridge. Burial at sea. On YouTube.

Speed bowlers suck. If you're in a hurry,play golf. They give you a car to drive between shots.

Next guy I catch dropping a load of baby powder next to the ball return gets his head held down between two balls on said ball return while we wait for my ball to come back from the pulled shot that was caused by said baby powder.

Where's my food?

[Rowdy]

I will now be using a Magic 8 Ball to answer some questions. The ones we've already talked to death among others. I figure that the Magic 8 Ball knows all and see's all,so I'll just turn over some of the easier questions to it so I can concentrate on the bigger picture.

[JoshWithrow]

I will now be using a Magic 8 Ball to answer some questions. The ones we've already talked to death among others. I figure that the Magic 8 Ball knows all and see's all,so I'll just turn over some of the easier questions to it so I can concentrate on the bigger picture.

LOL

pure gold ;)

[can-ham]

When they are oppenents,striking a lot and really rubbing it in is good for the soul,but bad for your rep. A fist pump is fine and a special something when you close out the 10th is okay. As long as they were being a sore loser first.



Hey Thanks for your take. I really try not to rub it in when I'm bowling well. I just take any offered high fives and sit down with a smile, but that bugs them even more. However I do sarcastically make fun of my self when I get a lucky hit like a Brooklyn or a messenger on an off pocket hit.

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[BubbaRay]

can-ham, I am like you also. After leaving a stone 9 after the first 10 I just turned around and said, " Shoot for 9 you get 9 " and smiled. However , I am not the type to slap my hand after every strike . I don't intiminate anyone on the lanes. UNLESS they start doing it to me personally and then It's, Ok dud, let's see who can walk the walk. The intimidation starts just like the guy's on tour.

[NeoWidow18]

I will now be using a Magic 8 Ball to answer some questions. The ones we've already talked to death among others. I figure that the Magic 8 Ball knows all and see's all,so I'll just turn over some of the easier questions to it so I can concentrate on the bigger picture.

Isnt that how the USBC decides what to do. :D

[uberamd]

can-ham, I am like you also. After leaving a stone 9 after the first 10 I just turned around and said, " Shoot for 9 you get 9 " and smiled. However , I am not the type to slap my hand after every strike . I don't intiminate anyone on the lanes. UNLESS they start doing it to me personally and then It's, Ok dud, let's see who can walk the walk. The intimidation starts just like the guy's on tour.

Is it considered wrong to pound fists with your team after someone on your team gets a strike?

[can-ham]

Is it considered wrong to pound fists with your team after someone on your team gets a strike?

Oh heck no. In our league if you get a strike every one will have a hand out for you to five on when you exit the approach. Teammates and opponents, I don't care if your shutting me out in the 7th frame I'll give you a five after you make a good shot, strike or spare. But that being said the high fives can be a little much especially when someone shows up to bowling sick!


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[uberamd]

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Hey, its the BW core!

[VmsTopGun]

Hey, its the BW core!
actually that one would be an asymetrical, asymetrical core...

[uberamd]

it was a joke duh.

[Rowdy]

Is it considered wrong to pound fists with your team after someone on your team gets a strike?

It's perfectly okay as long as that's what you guys always do after a strike. I myself prefer the forearm bash like McGwire and Canseco used to do in Oakland. Less wear and tear on my bowling hand and if someones coming down with something you won't catch it. Gotta be careful these days.

[Rowdy]

Here's the set up. I'm rolling in a league and there are a woman, her husband and two of their friends rolling on the next pair. She's leaving a ringing 10 every frame. After SEVEN of these beauties,all in a row, she grabs her ball and walks around the ball rack to a table where they have stored all their gear. She puts the ball on the carpet and pulls a Scotchbrite pad out and goes to town on the ball. Sands that puppy like mad. What the .....??? She grabs the ball and heads back to the lane,ready to take her turn. I tapped her husband on the shoulder and POLITELY asked if she knew that what she had done was against the rules and that she needed to put the ball back in her bag before she rolled with it. I was told to mind my own F-ing business. Really? We had a USBC rep in the house that night. I went to him and told him what I had seen. He replied that he wasn't sure she had broken any Rules. What the....???? Of course I had left my rulebook at home,so I had to borrow HIS to look it up. Lazy ass USBC people can't be bothered to READ anything. I find out that not only did she violate Rule 17a,Line 1, she also violated Rule 18. Since this is a league that is actually run as a stand alone tournament with + or - scoring,the penalty should have been forfiture of all games the ball was rolled in after she sanded it. The USBC rep waits until she's rolled it in another game and has a sizeable lead in the womens division. Does he make her take the ball out of play and forfiet the games,like he should? Nope,all she got was a "Don't do that again" speech. After the rep left,they all had a great laugh at the expense of all the other women who ponied up the cash to roll. This was out and out theivery. The other ladies were not happy campers when they found out that they got beat with an illegal ball. She asked me about it after we were done rolling. I told her that next time it happened she wouldn't have a thing to worry about. She looked pleased until I said that if it happened again I would pick up the ball and roll it across the parking lot. I can't figure out why she got so pissed.

[NeoWidow18]

Geez man you cant bowl any where. You should have punched the USBC guy in the face.

[Rowdy]

I would have,but as we all know,poop splatters.;)

And I might have hurt my bowling hand.

[NeoWidow18]

I would have,but as we all know,poop splatters.;)

And I might have hurt my bowling hand.

True True. Be like s**t hitting the fan!! :p

[Rowdy]

From the "Just So You Know" department from The Home Office in beautiful downtown Lone Tree,Iowa.....

I will be putting my debateable bowling skills to the test in an 8 game traveling league. Scoring is pro style,plus or minus 200.

It will start at the Ungodly hour of 10 am. Who thought this up? Sadist.
It'll be at Sandpiper Lanes in Charleston,SC.

Bring your cameras, camcorders, cell phones, sketch pads,etc.

Cheer, clap, holler, boo, hiss, just no crying babies please. Think of the other bowlers.

See ya there.

[Sparehater]

Hey rowdy, try bowling league at 10 in the morn every saturday.

[Rowdy]

Once a month is enough for me. I do my best work at night.:rolleyes:

[yotamonster]

my league is at 10:30 in the morning on thursdays. but we work second and third shift.

[hbhammerhead]

Once a month is enough for me. I do my best work at night.:rolleyes:

me as well i'm a night owl :cool:

[blistershurt]

lol "ungodly hour of 10 in the morning"
haha...I wish I could wake up that late...I gotta wake up at 6am for school...

[Sparehater]

lol "ungodly hour of 10 in the morning"
haha...I wish I could wake up that late...I gotta wake up at 6am for school...
me too blisters, me too.

[BubbaRay]

We Pot bowl every Sunday at 10:00am sharp. :eek:

[Tuff01ram]

Try bowling at 10:30 am an thursday mornings after after working sometimes 10 or 12 Hrs, don't get done bowling until 12:45 and then have a 40 min drive home! WISH i worked a normal job so i could bowl in the evenings or could find a league that started at 8am:rolleyes:

[BubbaRay]

The one house where I bowl at has a league on Wed. or Thurs. morning at 6:30 or 7:00 am. It is a league that comes after the third shift of work and bowls their league. Now that must be tough also.

[Big Dawg]

The most difficult thing I find about bowling 9:00 am league is after bowling scratch leagues for the past 15 years then go to bowling a morning handicap league is getting excited to bowl.For myself some mornings feel as if I'm just going through the motions and can't find the intensity some mornings.What makes even tougher is going bowling after being up for 20-24 hours because of watching my kids and my job schedule.


300's-10
800's-2

[Rowdy]

The one house where I bowl at has a league on Wed. or Thurs. morning at 6:30 or 7:00 am. It is a league that comes after the third shift of work and bowls their league. Now that must be tough also.

That's easy. I used to roll like that. Your am is their pm. You just go to sleep around noon. Makes drinking a bitch,though. Everyone thinks you're some kinda lush for wanting to drink at 9 in the morning.

[Rowdy]

Sorry I haven't kept up here. I've been on my back all week. Something let go in my back Monday morning and I've been dragging my left foot all over the place. This is the first time I've felt like getting up and moving around in days. I'm so bad my gear is still in my truck from Sunday! Hopefully the back will come around so I can pick my damn foot up off the floor. I'm getting tired of tripping and kicking things I should be able to lift my foot over. Crap.

[JaraTo]

Man that's aweful Rowdy. We actually had a guy pull a hamstring midway through the third game of league tonight.

[Rowdy]

(Laughing) I'll take the hammie any day. Tell the guy I'll trade him straight up,his hammie for my back.

[Rowdy]

Howdy all. We've all seen and read all the threads that pretty much start off the same way,"I bought a BWS,BWP,BWB and the ball just isn't doing what I thought it would. What's wrong with the ball?" Well, in a word,nothing. The ball is fine. Most, if not all,of you have a beef with your driller.

Now before the pro shop guys around here decide to tar and feather me, just chill out a minute. I'm sure all of you are whiz bang experts on drilling Hammers with a Gas Mask core. Goody for you. But some of your partners in crime can't drill up a Widow on a bet.

I watched a bowler plunk down $200 on a BWS. The driller took his hand measurements and opened the box. He looked the drilling instructions up and down. From the look on his face, Hammer might as well have written the instructions in Chinese.

Our clueless driller looks at the bowler and ask's how he wants the ball drilled. Equally clueless bowler say's he wants it to hook...a bunch. Bowler points at me and tells driller to drill his up like mine. Driller looks at me and asks how is mine drilled. Which one,I ask,I own three. Not,"Let me look at your ball",not,"Let's go see you roll your old ball so I can get an idea", nothing,nada,zip.

Needless to say, Clueless Bowler now thinks that all Black Widows are junk because he can't score with his like I do with mine. His logic train jumped the tracks when I pointed out that,"How can the ball be junk? I just rolled three straight games over 210 for each game." He's positive that I must be a freak of nature,the ball is still junk as far as he's concerned.

So,this got me to thinking. Always a dangerous pastime,but I wanted to see if a hunch was correct. I called pro shops that I KNOW can drill up any Hammer,I talked to a couple of guy's at Hammer who deal with Clueless Bowlers and I talked with a bunch of BW owners.

First off,EVERYONE agreed that a BWP needs to be at 2000 Abralon to work. Period. Got it? Second,a theme that kept coming up was the Clueless Bowler who get's a ball that "doesn't do anything". 99% of the people I asked stated that the "fix" for the ball is a redrill. One lone holdout wanted to go with a surface change,but when pressed to defend his position stated that that's what the guy who owns the shop told him to tell customers. More moolah for the shop,it would seem.

As I was told by the Hammer boys,even a Solid was designed to MOVE. The Gas Mask core has no problem hooking,UNLESS it's drilled wrong. Then it makes a lovely spare ball. You wouldn't think that a ball that comes complete with detailed drilling instructions would be that hard to get right. Have you seen how many choices there are to drill one of those things? TWELVE different drills, thirteen if you include a Full Roller. And that's not counting a RICO ball,an "angle" drill and other exotics.

But let's just stick with the basics here. Clueless Driller has a one in twelve chance of getting the ball right on the first try. He might as well close his eyes and stab the directions with his finger. For all the good that'll do.

But here's where the pro shop guys ride to the rescue of Clueless Bowler. If he had bought his ball at a pro shop that DOES have a clue,they would have asked to see his old ball. Then they would have watched him roll at least a game. THEN they would have asked some detailed questions about him,his game,what he wanted the ball to do,etc. And they would have told him that a BW is NOT a magic bullet,it would only be as good as he could throw it.

I talked to the owners of 10 pro shops. One guy owns three pro shops,another owns two. So that's seven owners I asked about selling a BW and how many came back. All of these guys run their shops very well. No slouches here. Combined they have sold over three THOUSAND different Black Widows. A grand total of two,count 'em,TWO balls came back! And those two were for cracks or other ball problems. Out of OVER three thousand balls sold. No re-drills,re-turns or re-funds.

These guys all mentioned that they are making a pile of dough fixing other drillers boo-boo's. They can't belive all the BW's that are out there that are drilled wrong for that bowler. One guy had SIX BW's waiting to be repunched because of his competitors inability to drill the ball. Like he told me,"What's the use of buying a ball for twenty bucks less when it's going to cost the bowler fifty dollars MORE to make it right? He should have paid the twenty bucks and got it right the first time." I couldn't agree more.

I asked the pro shop guys what we can do to make sure we don't get hosed on our next BW purchase. First was to find a shop that has expierience drilling a BW. Ask around when you see a BW owner where he got it done. Ask the pro shop for names of league bowlers who they've drilled a BW for. Go look them up in the league directory. See what kind of scores they're putting up.

Know what it is you would like the ball to do. Be reasonable. If you don't rev the ball,don't ask for a big down and in drill, or some kind of monster hook ball. Ain't happening.

Make damn sure you get remeasured for the ball. It better be free,and you'd be a fool not to do it. Make sure the driller who is going to drill your ball watches you roll a game or two. Do NOT keep on repeating the same shot, roll some inside,outside,down and in etc. Give the guy an idea of ALL your shots,not just one. He'll think thats all you can throw and drill accordingly.

I understand if you think this all looks like a lot of work. It is. But do you want a ball that works the first time or one you have to fight for months and maybe never get right? After all,it is YOUR money. Get what you pay for.

[pipes]

Howdy all. We've all seen and read all the threads that pretty much start off the same way,"I bought a BWS,BWP,BWB and the ball just isn't doing what I thought it would. What's wrong with the ball?" Well, in a word,nothing. The ball is fine. Most, if not all,of you have a beef with your driller.

Now before the pro shop guys around here decide to tar and feather me, just chill out a minute. I'm sure all of you are whiz bang experts on drilling Hammers with a Gas Mask core. Goody for you. But some of your partners in crime can't drill up a Widow on a bet.

I watched a bowler plunk down $200 on a BWS. The driller took his hand measurements and opened the box. He looked the drilling instructions up and down. From the look on his face, Hammer might as well have written the instructions in Chinese.

Our clueless driller looks at the bowler and ask's how he wants the ball drilled. Equally clueless bowler say's he wants it to hook...a bunch. Bowler points at me and tells driller to drill his up like mine. Driller looks at me and asks how is mine drilled. Which one,I ask,I own three. Not,"Let me look at your ball",not,"Let's go see you roll your old ball so I can get an idea", nothing,nada,zip.

Needless to say, Clueless Bowler now thinks that all Black Widows are junk because he can't score with his like I do with mine. His logic train jumped the tracks when I pointed out that,"How can the ball be junk? I just rolled three straight games over 210 for each game." He's positive that I must be a freak of nature,the ball is still junk as far as he's concerned.

So,this got me to thinking. Always a dangerous pastime,but I wanted to see if a hunch was correct. I called pro shops that I KNOW can drill up any Hammer,I talked to a couple of guy's at Hammer who deal with Clueless Bowlers and I talked with a bunch of BW owners.

First off,EVERYONE agreed that a BWP needs to be at 2000 Abralon to work. Period. Got it? Second,a theme that kept coming up was the Clueless Bowler who get's a ball that "doesn't do anything". 99% of the people I asked stated that the "fix" for the ball is a redrill. One lone holdout wanted to go with a surface change,but when pressed to defend his position stated that that's what the guy who owns the shop told him to tell customers. More moolah for the shop,it would seem.

As I was told by the Hammer boys,even a Solid was designed to MOVE. The Gas Mask core has no problem hooking,UNLESS it's drilled wrong. Then it makes a lovely spare ball. You wouldn't think that a ball that comes complete with detailed drilling instructions would be that hard to get right. Have you seen how many choices there are to drill one of those things? TWELVE different drills, thirteen if you include a Full Roller. And that's not counting a RICO ball,an "angle" drill and other exotics.

But let's just stick with the basics here. Clueless Driller has a one in twelve chance of getting the ball right on the first try. He might as well close his eyes and stab the directions with his finger. For all the good that'll do.

But here's where the pro shop guys ride to the rescue of Clueless Bowler. If he had bought his ball at a pro shop that DOES have a clue,they would have asked to see his old ball. Then they would have watched him roll at least a game. THEN they would have asked some detailed questions about him,his game,what he wanted the ball to do,etc. And they would have told him that a BW is NOT a magic bullet,it would only be as good as he could throw it.

I talked to the owners of 10 pro shops. One guy owns three pro shops,another owns two. So that's seven owners I asked about selling a BW and how many came back. All of these guys run their shops very well. No slouches here. Combined they have sold over three THOUSAND different Black Widows. A grand total of two,count 'em,TWO balls came back! And those two were for cracks or other ball problems. Out of OVER three thousand balls sold. No re-drills,re-turns or re-funds.

These guys all mentioned that they are making a pile of dough fixing other drillers boo-boo's. They can't belive all the BW's that are out there that are drilled wrong for that bowler. One guy had SIX BW's waiting to be repunched because of his competitors inability to drill the ball. Like he told me,"What's the use of buying a ball for twenty bucks less when it's going to cost the bowler fifty dollars MORE to make it right? He should have paid the twenty bucks and got it right the first time." I couldn't agree more.

I asked the pro shop guys what we can do to make sure we don't get hosed on our next BW purchase. First was to find a shop that has expierience drilling a BW. Ask around when you see a BW owner where he got it done. Ask the pro shop for names of league bowlers who they've drilled a BW for. Go look them up in the league directory. See what kind of scores they're putting up.

Know what it is you would like the ball to do. Be reasonable. If you don't rev the ball,don't ask for a big down and in drill, or some kind of monster hook ball. Ain't happening.

Make damn sure you get remeasured for the ball. It better be free,and you'd be a fool not to do it. Make sure the driller who is going to drill your ball watches you roll a game or two. Do NOT keep on repeating the same shot, roll some inside,outside,down and in etc. Give the guy an idea of ALL your shots,not just one. He'll think thats all you can throw and drill accordingly.

I understand if you think this all looks like a lot of work. It is. But do you want a ball that works the first time or one you have to fight for months and maybe never get right? After all,it is YOUR money. Get what you pay for.

My guy I found for my second ball did just that sent me to the lanes and told me to warm up and he would be out to watch by the way with a FREE pass NO charge to bowl !!!! I have bought 3 balls from him now and they roll like a Dream .

First guy I went to got my BWS right but I just plain got lucky he just drilled it up and I was fool enough to let him .

I went to practice the other day BEFOR I bought my CV and my Driller / Pro Shop Guy was on the pair of lanes next to me with a customer . He spoke and I knew he was watching me bowl while working with his other customer .

Just as he was leaving to go back to the Pro Shop he suggested I stop in on my way out or when I had time !!!!

Long story short I go in on my way out he says I know every ball you throw and how you bowl and you need a lite to dry oil ball your fighting to strong a balls a lot in the houses around here not just this one ! I agreed he said get yourself a CV asap . Well I come home thought about it and called him and had him drill it up . I love the thing and it fits my style and does what I wanted and he said it would do ! He did my BWB and BWP and spare ball and fixed my BWS if you guys remember when it got screwed up This guy is a JEWEL . Go hunt one a these guys up BEFOR you buy your next ball .

MOTTO ROWDY IS RIGHT AGAIN !!!!!

[Big Dawg]

It always nice to have a good friend that you have bowled with for years drilling equipment.My ball driller has drilled my stuff for about ten years ever since I quit drilling my own.He knows my style and can drill a ball that feels great.He really up to date on everything and knows and recommends balls for nationals and tries to help everyone that comes in to see him.Not only a ball driller but also one of my best friends for about 15 years.

[JaraTo]

Great investigative reporting Rowdy.... can say I've gotten my pearl to work at OOB though :D

[BubbaRay]

Rowdy, you brought up a very good topic and you did an excellent job writing about it. And actually there are 7 drillings to a BW. You forgot the DO NOT DRILL Layout. ;) . Everyone needs to find a pro shop that has a staff who knows thier stuff and has a good reputation. You can tell those pro shops by the amount of work they have in thier shop to do. A Pro Shop guy needs to be one who knows your game and can explaing or suggest to you what you need as far as a drilling layout goes. Not to many dislike their BW's and if they do it's like you said , poor drilling. What I would like to see is that all ball drillers be certified to drill and layout. balls.

[Stampy79]

The BWP's that we have drilled work better at 4000 in our house. But that is all dependent on the shot that is layed down

[Rowdy]

Rowdy, you brought up a very good topic and you did an excellent job writing about it. And actually there are 7 drillings to a BW. You forgot the DO NOT DRILL Layout. ;) . Everyone needs to find a pro shop that has a staff who knows thier stuff and has a good reputation. You can tell those pro shops by the amount of work they have in thier shop to do. A Pro Shop guy needs to be one who knows your game and can explaing or suggest to you what you need as far as a drilling layout goes. Not to many dislike their BW's and if they do it's like you said , poor drilling. What I would like to see is that all ball drillers be certified to drill and layout. balls.

Seven??? How do you figure,Bubba? There's four different drills,with three variations of each one for track,low,medium and high. 4x3=12,plus a full roller drill,12+1=13.

[BubbaRay]

OOOPS my Bad Rowdy. Six . The 6th is the DO NOT DRILL LAYOUT

[hbhammerhead]

my question is...should the pin position, cg, and hmb be EXACTLY where it shows on the directions according to each individual layout? leaving the only thing being unique for each bowler's ball being their span and finger/thumb sizes. i've always wondered this because when i first got my bwp drilled it didn't match any of the drill patterns on hammer.com. the pearl hooks nicely but i have had to make surface adjusments to fit my needs. when i got my solid drilled i told him i want it EXACTLY drilled #3 layout w/ high track. he did and it does exactly what should be doing...moving a ton on med. to heavy oil.

[BubbaRay]

It all depends upon your axis cordinates. Everyone's is different and the pic's on the drill sheet is only a refernece and the actual drilling may be different.

[Rowdy]

my question is...should the pin position, cg, and hmb be EXACTLY where it shows on the directions according to each individual layout? leaving the only thing being unique for each bowler's ball being their span and finger/thumb sizes. i've always wondered this because when i first got my bwp drilled it didn't match any of the drill patterns on hammer.com. the pearl hooks nicely but i have had to make surface adjusments to fit my needs. when i got my solid drilled i told him i want it EXACTLY drilled #3 layout w/ high track. he did and it does exactly what should be doing...moving a ton on med. to heavy oil.

The drill you finally decide on should be based on HOW you roll the ball,nothing else. Don't forget that the drill sheet does NOT have every drill possible to put on the ball. I have found that an angle drill works very well with the Gas Mask core. I'm going to have one of my BWS's redrilled with a 45 degree angle drill and I'll let everyone know how it goes. In case you're wondering,(And I know you are),with a 45 degree drill,the thumb hole should end up about 6 to 7 inches to the left of the HMB. If I throw the damn thing right,this drill should make the ball turn the corner very nicely. Or I'll have a very expensive spare ball.

[BubbaRay]

When you put the 45 degree drill on that ball, you are gonna fall in love with it. You will see the ball react in a way that you wish you had put that drill on the ball first time.

[JaraTo]

When you put the 45 degree drill on that ball, you are gonna fall in love with it. You will see the ball react in a way that you wish you had put that drill on the ball first time.
OHHHH so correct!

[hbhammerhead]

The drill you finally decide on should be based on HOW you roll the ball,nothing else. Don't forget that the drill sheet does NOT have every drill possible to put on the ball. I have found that an angle drill works very well with the Gas Mask core. I'm going to have one of my BWS's redrilled with a 45 degree angle drill and I'll let everyone know how it goes. In case you're wondering,(And I know you are),with a 45 degree drill,the thumb hole should end up about 6 to 7 inches to the left of the HMB. If I throw the damn thing right,this drill should make the ball turn the corner very nicely. Or I'll have a very expensive spare ball.

i think that i'm going to buy another bws and try this out. it would be good to have a couple of them drilled differently.

[hbhammerhead]

does anyone have a picture of this layout i could see?

[Rowdy]

A 45 degree drill? Just draw a line from the pin to the HMB. That's your baseline. The CG doesn't matter since a BW is an asymetrical ball. The pin goes an inch to the right and an inch up from the center of the ring finger hole. Now draw a line 45 degrees to the left of your baseline and drill the center of the grip down that line. The thumb hole will be over in the Black Widow logo,but no getting around that. Like I said before,the thumb hole will wind up about 6 to 7 inches to the left of the HMB. Drill an X hole 5 inches off the pin to keep the ball legal and for more motion on the backend. Neo and I both saw a ball with this layout and that thing MOVED. Down and in was the shot with that ball.

[Rowdy]

When you put the 45 degree drill on that ball, you are gonna fall in love with it. You will see the ball react in a way that you wish you had put that drill on the ball first time.

Hmm, wonder if I can put a 45 degree drill in an NMB???

[Rowdy]

It seems that some guys don't know what they're league is up to. Or isn't up to. Everyone looks at a standings sheet every week. Most guys just look to see where the team is and what they're average is. And that's fine if you're rolling for fun.

But some of us aren't rolling for fun. It's competition,pure and simple. And that's fine,too. But it's not fine when the league you're rolling your ass off in is unknown to the USBC. Look yourself up on bowl.com lately? You may be there,but for a lot of you,your league won't be.

How to tell if you're getting hosed:1. At the top of your standings sheet there's nothing next to where it says USBC Certification. Pitch a fit. 2.Go to www.bowl.com (http://www.bowl.com) and look yourself up. Make sure all your leagues are listed and with the correct number of games bowled and correct average. You would be amazed how much of this info is wrong. Why should you care? If you want to roll in a tournament this info is what they go by. You show up and give numbers that don't match,you could be bounced. Ouch. 3.Have you qualified for an award and not received it in a timely fashion? Two weeks is about right. Hell,the league secretary has only 48 HOURS to report any awards to your local association,so it's not unreasonable to expect to see the award in two weeks. Any longer and either you need a new league secretary or the league isn't on file with the USBC.

Okay,you went to bowl.com and you're not there,now what? You can say screw it and not join that league next season. You vow to actually go to the organizational meeting and ask some hard questions of those who want your vote to run the league. Or you can go early next week and hold someone's feet to the fire. Call a Captain's Meeting and vote for a refund of USBC dues for failure to adhere to Rule 100a,1,a. The arguement here is that the league never registered with the USBC,so why should you pay dues for an unsanctioned league? Call your local USBC rep and demand that they show up and make this right. The arguement here is that you want whats already been paid for. Either way,let your league officers know that you're on to them and will not tolerate this foolishness anymore.

By the way,when was the last time your league held an equipment check? Weigh all the balls,check 'em against the approved list,things like that? Might even up the playing field. Roll that one out at the next organizational meeting for a few laughs.

[Rowdy]

Some of you may know that my back has been giving me a problem lately. The pain was going down into my left leg and foot. Think Danny Wiseman, but a thousand percent worse. I've been dragging the damn thing behind me. I had to go back to wearing my knee brace and things are looking up. I'm hoping to start rolling again on Friday if all stays the same or better til then.

[JoshWithrow]

Hmm, wonder if I can put a 45 degree drill in an NMB???

The Hart is a different concept from a Mass Bias.

[pipes]

Some of you may know that my back has been giving me a problem lately. The pain was going down into my left leg and foot. Think Danny Wiseman, but a thousand percent worse. I've been dragging the damn thing behind me. I had to go back to wearing my knee brace and things are looking up. I'm hoping to start rolling again on Friday if all stays the same or better til then.

Glad to here it Rowdy I feel your pain as you know ! Besides my back my left shoulder has developed either a strain or picnhed nerve I am right handed .But like you I am just gona roll when I can and rest when I can't :O) .

I am doing my level best to get back to were I was 29 years ago in my skil level and man its hard but coming along :O) I didn't have all this pain to deal with back then . Or if I did it healed up in a New York minute :O) .

I am shooting for a 200+ average ON ALL types of conditions .. I use to love to roll POT GAMES all night after a tourney But with all this damn pain these damn kids don't seem to have my progress is slow :O) But I am older and more patient .

I won't go into it but I do have a coach now and light bulb went off yesterday in practice!!!! . Right at my last 2 games of a 12 game practice sesion by myself . Dang back is killen me but I may go roll tonight anyway .

Keep pluging along guy us old dudes a out smart these younguns :D Besides were willing to take TIME and do things as we get older.. I am rolling between 30 and 60 games a week 4 to 6 days a week I go to the lanes .sooner or later even this old dawg is gona learn a new trick . BAD BACK AND all .

You have heard me say I quit bowling about 30 years ago ! Well I tried about 15 years ago to go back to the well 1 one a the sports I love GOLF is my other I am a scratch golfer:D and my back wouldn't let me well time and surgerys and dealing with it better has got me back on the lanes . Hell I am even almost bat blind in my right eye from being diabetic and having had laser to stop the retina bleeding in it 5 times . I finally over come missing marks a LOT a times because a this .I have found IF you want to do somthing you love you fight to do it and in the end we mostly get it done.one way or another .

We work harder at it but we also learn to work at it smarter :O). Everthing does NOT have to be done with brute foce in bowling or many other sports .



Glad to here your inproveing hope all is well soon and your back to rolling like you want ! Healthy:) Getter done dude :O))).

pipes

[Rowdy]

The really funny part is that I played golf to rehab my back. I went to phys therapy once and the girl had me swinging a five pound ball in a modified golf swing. I figured the hell with her and hit the links after that. The surgeon was floored that I rehabbed so quickly. He wasn't gonna let me bowl until I spilled the beans on how I rehabbed the back. He figured I was just gonna go bowling anyway,so he gave his blessing as part of my "Physical Therapy"

[BubbaRay]

I hope all of you recover from your ailments real quick. As like both of you I have a bad back also. I had a spinal fusion done way back in the stone age. When I do something stupid and throw my back out I rehab by going bowling. I don't know what muscles I use in the back but they loosen right up. But afterwards it's payback time.

So I wish a speedy recovery to all of you who are ailing.

[TenPinSniper]

The really funny part is that I played golf to rehab my back. I went to phys therapy once and the girl had me swinging a five pound ball in a modified golf swing. I figured the hell with her and hit the links after that. The surgeon was floored that I rehabbed so quickly. He wasn't gonna let me bowl until I spilled the beans on how I rehabbed the back. He figured I was just gonna go bowling anyway,so he gave his blessing as part of my "Physical Therapy"

Die hard man.

[pipes]

I hope all of you recover from your ailments real quick. As like both of you I have a bad back also. I had a spinal fusion done way back in the stone age. When I do something stupid and throw my back out I rehab by going bowling. I don't know what muscles I use in the back but they loosen right up. But afterwards it's payback time.

So I wish a speedy recovery to all of you who are ailing.

Thanks Bubba

I can bowl as bad as I am right now but after man it HURTS :O) And like you I will losen up after a few frames !My curent real bad problems are I have pulled the muscles in my left shoulder area and I have tendonitis in my left ankle from catching my heel a couple a times during my slide . Got so bad I had to go to the DOC and get some pain pills I don't like taking them but I wasn't able to sleep for the pain !!! So I guess I gotta stay out of bowling alleys for a week or or so maybe 2 weeks :( atleast my back is not acting up as bad as it was !

I hate missing the swepper Sunday night :mad:

[BubbaRay]

It's better to rest it now and be off for a week or two than to injur it more and be off more than two weeks.

[Rowdy]

Rolled six games Saturday and felt fine. Was +157. I'll take it.

[Rowdy]

There are some threads on the Main Page where it appears that noses have gotten tweaked. Tempers flared. People swore that they were GONE! Ah,me oh my,the more things change the more they stay the same. Only some of the characters change.

Way back when,in the days before Bubba was on here,the forum was a free for all. Kind of a "Post at your own risk" deal. Noses got tweaked. Tempers flared. People swore that they were leaving,"I mean it,I'm really going this time!" crap. Yeah,yeah,we've heard it,now let's see you DO it,thing.

This place is what it is. It damn sure ain't ever gonna be perfect. Not by a long shot. Hey,we're all human,so it can NEVER be perfect. Stupid questions will be asked, feelings will get stepped on, tempers will come to the surface. I'm just as guilty of it as the next person. This is NOT the part of our show where you puff out your chest and think,"By God,I KNOW he's not talking about me!" Get real. Get a clue. Everyone has done it to some extent.

For those of you who have been trampled lately,sorry you had to see all that. This stuff goes in cycles,so it should get better. Stay here and contribute. Some of the bigger crybabies and whiners should take a hike once they realize that no one really gives a crap wether or not they're here at all.

Now,one unavoidable fact needs to be brought to everyone's attention: This IS a Hammer forum,bought and paid for by Hammer,to promote Hammer products,for the exchange of information by users of Hammer bowling balls. Not Brunswick. Not MoRich. Not Lane1. Not Storm. Just Hammer. Get it? We talk about Hammer bowling balls and what they will and won't do. How to roll Hammer bowling balls better than all those other brands.

If you can't get with that program,go see if some other forum will have you. My guess is,probably not.

And now,a very special message for all the crybabies and whiners of note lately: Stop it. No one is impressed with your idle threats. You want to leave? Go, and don't let the knob hit you in the butt on the way out. I wouldn't want anyone to be forced to stay where they don't want to be. No one forces you to come to this forum. I don't know of a secret Hammer Death Squad that comes to your house,points a gun to your head and makes you log on here and post. We're not your "son",nor do we want to hear your "take" on what the rest of us should or shouldn't be writing about,according to what you refer to as,IMHO.

You know what they say about opinions and a*******,right?

[SplitMaster]

LMAO...I love it!

[hbhammerhead]

There are some threads on the Main Page where it appears that noses have gotten tweaked. Tempers flared. People swore that they were GONE! Ah,me oh my,the more things change the more they stay the same. Only some of the characters change.

Way back when,in the days before Bubba was on here,the forum was a free for all. Kind of a "Post at your own risk" deal. Noses got tweaked. Tempers flared. People swore that they were leaving,"I mean it,I'm really going this time!" crap. Yeah,yeah,we've heard it,now let's see you DO it,thing.

This place is what it is. It damn sure ain't ever gonna be perfect. Not by a long shot. Hey,we're all human,so it can NEVER be perfect. Stupid questions will be asked, feelings will get stepped on, tempers will come to the surface. I'm just as guilty of it as the next person. This is NOT the part of our show where you puff out your chest and think,"By God,I KNOW he's not talking about me!" Get real. Get a clue. Everyone has done it to some extent.

For those of you who have been trampled lately,sorry you had to see all that. This stuff goes in cycles,so it should get better. Stay here and contribute. Some of the bigger crybabies and whiners should take a hike once they realize that no one really gives a crap wether or not they're here at all.

Now,one unavoidable fact needs to be brought to everyone's attention: This IS a Hammer forum,bought and paid for by Hammer,to promote Hammer products,for the exchange of information by users of Hammer bowling balls. Not Brunswick. Not MoRich. Not Lane1. Not Storm. Just Hammer. Get it? We talk about Hammer bowling balls and what they will and won't do. How to roll Hammer bowling balls better than all those other brands.

If you can't get with that program,go see if some other forum will have you. My guess is,probably not.

And now,a very special message for all the crybabies and whiners of note lately: Stop it. No one is impressed with your idle threats. You want to leave? Go, and don't let the knob hit you in the butt on the way out. I wouldn't want anyone to be forced to stay where they don't want to be. No one forces you to come to this forum. I don't know of a secret Hammer Death Squad that comes to your house,points a gun to your head and makes you log on here and post. We're not your "son",nor do we want to hear your "take" on what the rest of us should or shouldn't be writing about,according to what you refer to as,IMHO.

You know what they say about opinions and a*******,right?

i think that should be the name of the next hammer line :D

i agree with you rowdy. the only reason why i joined this forum was to talk about my hammer equipment and how to use it. other brands are welcome, but when members start posting negative stuff about hammer (i.e. not worth the money or it sucks a**) then i get offended. i believe hammer is an awesome company and very respectable. what other company has a nice forum like ours? that tells you a lot right there.

[BubbaRay]

Everyone is welcome here Whether you throw Hammer / Columbia / AMF / Brunswick / Morich or what ever, if you need help it will be offered. And not to start anything here, but no one should be told to leave if you don't throw Hammers. Aint gonna happen . If members post negative stuff about Hammers like they don't fit my game or they never reacted for me or whatever , is not a problem. It's the language that I will take care of and there is no need to start bashing them for the comments. If that's the case think about alot of you here that post negative comments about other brands. Yep it has been done and lot here are guilty of it. So what should be done to our members who throw Hammers who make negative comments about other Brands? Is that ok to do? NOPE ! What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

Ands you mean to say that is someone throws a diffewrent brand ball and asks for help or advice they are not going to get it because they don't roll Hammewrs? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will get my help because that is the purpose of this message board. To share ideas and help others when needed and discuss equipment. Plain and Simple.

[TenPinSniper]

Everyone is welcome here Whether you throw Hammer / Columbia / AMF / Brunswick / Morich or what ever, if you need help it will be offered. And not to start anything here, but no one should be told to leave if you don't throw Hammers. Aint gonna happen . If members post negative stuff about Hammers like they don't fit my game or they never reacted for me or whatever , is not a problem. It's the language that I will take care of and there is no need to start bashing them for the comments. If that's the case think about alot of you here that post negative comments about other brands. Yep it has been done and lot here are guilty of it. So what should be done to our members who throw Hammers who make negative comments about other Brands? Is that ok to do? NOPE ! What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

Ands you mean to say that is someone throws a diffewrent brand ball and asks for help or advice they are not going to get it because they don't roll Hammewrs? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will get my help because that is the purpose of this message board. To share ideas and help others when needed and discuss equipment. Plain and Simple.

Good thing we can still talk about Storm stuff... you know most of their stuff smells right!!! :D They make good stuff just like any other company. Right now it just called a RotoGrip Cell.

[hbhammerhead]

Everyone is welcome here Whether you throw Hammer / Columbia / AMF / Brunswick / Morich or what ever, if you need help it will be offered. And not to start anything here, but no one should be told to leave if you don't throw Hammers. Aint gonna happen . If members post negative stuff about Hammers like they don't fit my game or they never reacted for me or whatever , is not a problem. It's the language that I will take care of and there is no need to start bashing them for the comments. If that's the case think about alot of you here that post negative comments about other brands. Yep it has been done and lot here are guilty of it. So what should be done to our members who throw Hammers who make negative comments about other Brands? Is that ok to do? NOPE ! What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

Ands you mean to say that is someone throws a diffewrent brand ball and asks for help or advice they are not going to get it because they don't roll Hammewrs? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will get my help because that is the purpose of this message board. To share ideas and help others when needed and discuss equipment. Plain and Simple.

i think the negativity in general needs to go. i like hammer because it fits my game better than other brands. if hammer doesn't fit your game and you throw another brand that's perfectly fine. this forum is for informational purposes to all that seek it not to boast about how another brand is better than the other. if you throw a 300 with a hammer awesome! if you throw a 300 with another brand that's awesome too. i think that everyone just needs to think about what they say before they post it (myself included). the goal here is to discuss information and technique to become better at bowling and to share our great moments in the sport. i vote we keep our focus on bowling and not the drama.

[Cobberz]

A 45 degree drill? Just draw a line from the pin to the HMB. That's your baseline. The CG doesn't matter since a BW is an asymetrical ball. The pin goes an inch to the right and an inch up from the center of the ring finger hole. Now draw a line 45 degrees to the left of your baseline and drill the center of the grip down that line. The thumb hole will be over in the Black Widow logo,but no getting around that. Like I said before,the thumb hole will wind up about 6 to 7 inches to the left of the HMB. Drill an X hole 5 inches off the pin to keep the ball legal and for more motion on the backend. Neo and I both saw a ball with this layout and that thing MOVED. Down and in was the shot with that ball.


So with this drilling layout what positves are there vs say the layout i have right now where the pin is mostly under my ring finger but slighty in between the 2. My thumb hole is right next to the HMB, i have a picture on my comp but it doesnt come up right when i put it in the posts. idk if that made any sense but im just curious about this layout. what kinda patterns is it good for?

[blistershurt]

Do you know your PAP? If you do then it sounds almost like it could be a 5x4 or a 4x4 just from the sounds of mass bias position (pin position x mass bias position from PAP)


Like Rowdy said, HMB and pin position matter the most, the only thing the CG determines on any ball is the position of the weight hole if you need one.

[Rowdy]

So with this drilling layout what positves are there vs say the layout i have right now where the pin is mostly under my ring finger but slighty in between the 2. My thumb hole is right next to the HMB, i have a picture on my comp but it doesnt come up right when i put it in the posts. idk if that made any sense but im just curious about this layout. what kinda patterns is it good for?

Remember,this is for an asymetrical ball,like a BW. Your thumb hole will end up about 6 inches to the left of the HMB with a 45 degree drill. This drill will make that ball TURN! I've seen this drill in balls with the Gas Mask core and it makes them come alive. I'm in the process of lining up some drill time so I can get my gear drilled up.

[Rowdy]

Everyone is welcome here Whether you throw Hammer / Columbia / AMF / Brunswick / Morich or what ever, if you need help it will be offered. And not to start anything here, but no one should be told to leave if you don't throw Hammers. Aint gonna happen . If members post negative stuff about Hammers like they don't fit my game or they never reacted for me or whatever , is not a problem. It's the language that I will take care of and there is no need to start bashing them for the comments. If that's the case think about alot of you here that post negative comments about other brands. Yep it has been done and lot here are guilty of it. So what should be done to our members who throw Hammers who make negative comments about other Brands? Is that ok to do? NOPE ! What's good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

Ands you mean to say that is someone throws a diffewrent brand ball and asks for help or advice they are not going to get it because they don't roll Hammewrs? NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They will get my help because that is the purpose of this message board. To share ideas and help others when needed and discuss equipment. Plain and Simple.

First off,MOST of the negetive comments on our part were done in jest,"Storm balls are smelly",that sort of thing. But when people come on here that don't even OWN any Hammer gear and start trashing the brand....No Sale,they get dumped on. Now,they want to play nice and ask POLITELY for advice....no problem,I'll help all I can. You don't go to someone else's house and start talking crap about their furniture or what they're serving up for dinner,do you? No,you try to be polite. Is that so hard to understand? When I go to another brands website,I don't give anyone crap about their ball. I expect the same here,thats all.

[BradM]

Did I just stumble into a soap opera?

[can-ham]

Did I just stumble into a soap opera?

Welcome back Mr. Kotter!

http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/tgoodman/2007/08/23/welcome-back-kotter.jpg


The names have changed but the drama is the same. How ever Bubba is keeping it in check.

[BubbaRay]

First off,MOST of the negetive comments on our part were done in jest,"Storm balls are smelly",that sort of thing. But when people come on here that don't even OWN any Hammer gear and start trashing the brand....No Sale,they get dumped on. Now,they want to play nice and ask POLITELY for advice....no problem,I'll help all I can. You don't go to someone else's house and start talking crap about their furniture or what they're serving up for dinner,do you? No,you try to be polite. Is that so hard to understand? When I go to another brands website,I don't give anyone crap about their ball. I expect the same here,thats all.

I am not talking about people saying Storm stuff smells like grape or cherry or tropical friut. I am talking abnout the language and degrading that is done. I understand completely. But always remember this. The first person who starts the dumping on no matter who it might be, starts the whole thread going astray and that is what some people just love. This is what We (I ) am try to stop.

I had a talk with Mr. ussery about this and I won't say what his response was because it will start a whole new thread that probably will have alot of negative comments. All We (I) are asking is for everyone who comes here , including myself to be polite and helpful. Now that is not alot to ask for I don't think.

[Rowdy]

Did I just stumble into a soap opera?

Hey,where you been? How's the police dept? Keeping all the doughnuts safe in the Lone Star state?

[Rowdy]

This is a most disturbing trend that I've seen of late. There is a general lack of respect from the younger folks towards anyone older than they are. I don't have a clue where it started,but I know where it's gonna stop. Right here is where.

I'm sick and tired of seeing people who have sunk their entire life into this sport being trashed by snot nosed kids just because they don't agree with the message. The message you young idiots,is fundamentals. You know, those building blocks upon which all your other bowling skills will be built on.

Oh sure,you have a hard time breaking 150 on a full time basis,but you know more than a guy who has watched thousands of bowlers roll countless shots. Uh huh. I see HIS name all over the Wall of Fame,but funny,I don't see yours anywhere in the house. Oh wait,there it is,at the bottom of a league sheet.

Nevermind the fact that you should be keeping your eyes open and your mouth shut. At least until you've been around the block a time or two. Nope,let you roll in one league and all of a sudden you demand to be treated like an equal to those who have busted their hump for a long,long time. Sorry,it doesn't work like that,either in the real world or in a bowling alley.

You younger guys had better start learning to respect not only your elders,but also those that are older AND better at bowling than you are. One,they deserve it and worked damn hard to earn it and two,your parents would be apalled to see you treat someone the way you do them. They hopefully raised you better than that.

Trust me on this one,people are watching you. Remember our earlier conversation about your reputation? Your rep is being formed everytime you open your mouth. Bad mouthing the older guys? Saying things out of school? Oops,your bad. Think I'm kidding? Wait until you try to get a job having anything to do with bowling. Oh boy,will all those words and deeds come back to bite you then. No one will come right out and say it,but there will never be an opening for you. Someone else will get the front desk job. Oil the lanes? Not after the way you imparted your "wisdom" on the crappy house shot. Pro Shop? Please,stop now. Not a chance,even if you were the worlds greatest driller. They still remember your outburst over the drill job on someone else's ball.

You have not earned the right to criticize anyone, at anytime, anywhere. Got that? When your entire store of bowling knowledge consists of two or three junior seasons,plus an easy league or two,it's kinda hard for us to take you seriously. But still,you persist. You spout your "wisdom" and then march off in search of other bowlers to be obnoxious around. Those of us who you have just left,look on in wonderment. We wonder how you find your way home without breadcrumbs to follow. We wonder how you lasted this long. We wonder if you got dressed in the dark. And then we laugh our butts off.

But much worse for you,far more sinister than us sandbagging a charity tournament,each of us makes a solemn vow. You will never,ever,under ANY circumstances, be on our bowling team.

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy, that might've been a bit better if instead of saying you young idiots. the select youth bowlers that are ignorant would've been better. Mostly because i'm one of the few youth bowlers that are respectful. I never kick anything, if somebody offers me advice i'll take it. I was afraid to go to my pro-shop driller because the ball wasn't reacting the way i wanted it to. I was afraid to go and ask him what options i had to get my ball to read a little earlier.

[JaraTo]

Pain, we all know who the people are. No need to worry. You're immune buddy. I would change one bit of wording though. "Older" does NOT necessarily mean in years, but also applies to your wisdom in bowling. Idle is 9 yrs my junior but I'd still consider any of his advice to be top notch.

[Rowdy]

Rowdy, that might've been a bit better if instead of saying you young idiots. the select youth bowlers that are ignorant would've been better. Mostly because i'm one of the few youth bowlers that are respectful. I never kick anything, if somebody offers me advice i'll take it. I was afraid to go to my pro-shop driller because the ball wasn't reacting the way i wanted it to. I was afraid to go and ask him what options i had to get my ball to read a little earlier.

Sorry,ignorance is NO excuse,ever.

[Rowdy]

And now for something really fun!! As some of you may know I'll be heading up to the Boston area to partake of some bowling lessons with our very own Slap later this summer.

That got me to thinking. I know,that's usually a Very Bad Thing,but in this case I think I've come up with a winner.

Since I'll be driving right by a whole bunch of you guys,what a great opportunity to stop and roll some games. Put some faces to names. Make friends. Have fun. Knock up cocktail waitresses.:) Oops,better scratch that last one,Tink is coming too.:eek:

Soon as I nail down the dates,I'll let you guys know when I'll be on the road. We can set up some lane time and get after it. At the very least,I may walk into a house during league time,just to see whats what. Some names I know. I'll be checking the league sheets.:cool: Start practicing your excuses now.;)

[Rowdy]

"The Rollin' With Rowdy Summer Tour"

Man I like the sound of that so much I may have T-Shirts made up......:)

Put a Hammer logo somewhere in there.:D

Maybe have, "I Rolled With Rowdy" on the front....:eek: ....too much???

[BubbaRay]

Let me know when you are passing through PA.

[idlehourlegend]

Let me know when you are passing through PA.

Yea Rowdy let us know when your coming thru and we'll set something up, always have time to bowl.

[Thepainscoming]

I doubt u'll be coming over by me. Im all the way on the coast.

[Rowdy]

I doubt u'll be coming over by me. Im all the way on the coast.

You never know. I love the Jersey Coast.

[Rowdy]

Yea Rowdy let us know when your coming thru and we'll set something up, always have time to bowl.

Definatly. We gotta roll.

[Thepainscoming]

The jersey coast is pretty nice even though everyone thinks jersey is dirty. If you go to the south its actually really nice. O and gas is only 2.99 here in my town lol.

[idlehourlegend]

The jersey coast is pretty nice even though everyone thinks jersey is dirty. If you go to the south its actually really nice. O and gas is only 2.99 here in my town lol.

Yea jerseys always cheaper with gas than it is here, by like 20 cents too, always has been.

[Thepainscoming]

Yea jerseys always cheaper with gas than it is here, by like 20 cents too, always has been.
Yup we have the second lowest gas tax. Up in north jersey its more though. We have insane property taxes though.

[Rowdy]

The jersey coast is pretty nice even though everyone thinks jersey is dirty. If you go to the south its actually really nice. O and gas is only 2.99 here in my town lol.

Tink and I always liked Jersey. You gotta love a state that has a radio station that gives traffic reports every 8 minutes. And for the whole state! What the hell is the name of that station? It's the one with Jersey "Chime Time" to give you the time. I always tuned it in when we were driving around there.

You didn't tell everyone the best part about the $2.99 gas. It's full service!

We used to hang in Bordentown so much I should have bought a house there.

[JoshWithrow]

We have insane property taxes though.

No kidding. So instead of eating your bad decision to live in the Toxic Waste Capital of the Country, you suckers all moved down to DE, completely inflated our housing costs, and then started foreclosing on your new homes afterall XD

In all seriousness, I know ALOT of people who have moved here from PA/NJ/NY/MD because the cost of living was so much lower. Mainly from the difference in property taxes. I knew one guy that said he paid over $13k/yr in property taxes ALONE... that's NUTS!

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy i think its 101.5. Josh yea but im pretty sure u guys have something higher that we don't. So it balances out.

[Stampy79]

I got reading these late, but I read the post about the lady who used the scuff pad on the ball 1/2 way through the night. We had a guy in the next town over who is one of these over inflated avg guys. He used to avg about 180 on the old shots, and now he is in the easiest house around averaging about 2 teen. Two years ago, he used a scuff pad after every shot during his one and only 800. No one bothered to say anything until he was done with his last ball. Well, for those of you who dont know. It is too late after he is done. The ball is then deemed out of play. I was a board member of the local assoc at the time and when the award was given out in a room with about 60 people in it, I did my best Bull...t cough out loud ! It drew a laugh from some but he stared at me because I was the only one there that knew it. Now one thing I was told later was that it has to be a person in the league who says something. I do not think that is right, but I am not sure. I still do not get along with this guy to this very day, and never` will untill he fesses up about that fake 800. I get tired of guys saying " Well, he still had to throw the ball in the hole all night " I have done that many a time, but I never cheated !

[JoshWithrow]

Rowdy i think its 101.5. Josh yea but im pretty sure u guys have something higher that we don't. So it balances out.

Not really. Or at least it didn't used to be taht way. 10 years ago you could get a 1800 sq ft home on 1/2 acre for ~ $150k-170k depending on where exactly it was. Then when all the idiots started moving down here and commuting, the same home was going for ~ $240k-ish. THEN the bottom fell out and home values DECREASED to about ~$220k-ish... and that's where we're currently sitting.

Damn housing boom...

[Thepainscoming]

Not really. Or at least it didn't used to be taht way. 10 years ago you could get a 1800 sq ft home on 1/2 acre for ~ $150k-170k depending on where exactly it was. Then when all the idiots started moving down here and commuting, the same home was going for ~ $240k-ish. THEN the bottom fell out and home values DECREASED to about ~$220k-ish... and that's where we're currently sitting.

Damn housing boom...
O ok, yea and we might be getting even worse because JOHNSON&JOHNSON might be pulling out of the state so thats even less industry. Once i turn 18 or get out of college if im in this state im moving out.

[JoshWithrow]

Work isn't much better down here. Of course that depends on the industry, too... but in general the country as a whole is hurting.

So where would you go? I lived in Annapolis for 2 years before my daughters were born but decided to raise them here... around my family (the wifes family is in WV and FL so that wasn't even a consideration) and decided to come back and raise them here where we have a support system. In fact, I rather like it here. But it's where I was born and raised, too.

[Rowdy]

O ok, yea and we might be getting even worse because JOHNSON&JOHNSON might be pulling out of the state so thats even less industry. Once i turn 18 or get out of college if im in this state im moving out.

Moving to where? Don't come south, all you people from Up North do is bitch about how we do everything down here. Once you get tired of trying to figure out how to buy and pay for a $300,000 house on $30,000 a year you'll move back where you came from. If that doesn't drive you out,we'll all work and talk a LOT slower. Y'all don't come back and see us again,hear?

[Rowdy]

Work isn't much better down here. Of course that depends on the industry, too... but in general the country as a whole is hurting.

So where would you go? I lived in Annapolis for 2 years before my daughters were born but decided to raise them here... around my family (the wifes family is in WV and FL so that wasn't even a consideration) and decided to come back and raise them here where we have a support system. In fact, I rather like it here. But it's where I was born and raised, too.

Why not Florida? The damn state's 400 miles long by 325 miles wide. There's plenty of room to get away from the In-Laws. Belive me,I avoided all three sets of mine for years.

[JoshWithrow]

Why not Florida? The damn state's 400 miles long by 325 miles wide. There's plenty of room to get away from the In-Laws. Belive me,I avoided all three sets of mine for years.

Seriously? We have... (counts)... ~30 close family members within a 20 mile radius of our central member here. Down there it's only 1 person... her mother... and neither of us can stand her for more than a week.

So there's that, and FL is for old people ;)

[blistershurt]

Man the country is crazy right now...the businesses here are getting hurt cuz of flooding...I was out sandbagging last night (not bowling lmao) and the water in areas has risen from 10 feet to 42 feet. Apparently as of yesterday like 62 to 68% of MO was underwater. Good thing it was only the Meremac River around here and not the Mississippi again...

Businesses that are here are just outsourcing now. I know my dad's company outsources most of their work to India and China, they've been laying off entire departments to replace with overseas workers. Looks like the America being built off of cheap labor isnt all fun and games huh? I guess since there's nowhere to expand we can exactly depend on more jobs and more immigrants, we're just getting the immigrants. Its not like we could just take over Canada, eh :p ?

[Rowdy]

Man the country is crazy right now...the businesses here are getting hurt cuz of flooding...I was out sandbagging last night (not bowling lmao) and the water in areas has risen from 10 feet to 42 feet. Apparently as of yesterday like 62 to 68% of MO was underwater. Good thing it was only the Meremac River around here and not the Mississippi again...

Businesses that are here are just outsourcing now. I know my dad's company outsources most of their work to India and China, they've been laying off entire departments to replace with overseas workers. Looks like the America being built off of cheap labor isnt all fun and games huh? I guess since there's nowhere to expand we can exactly depend on more jobs and more immigrants, we're just getting the immigrants. Its not like we could just take over Canada, eh :p ?

We COULD take over Cananda, it would be the first war in the history of The United States that we could drive to. Probably take us all of a month,as long as we do it as a summer project. Can we let them keep Quebec though? Might as well give it to France,they speak the language already.

[Thepainscoming]

IDK rowdy, im not really a fan of the south because of the type of storms. I might just go sentral like virginia or maryland. Or i might just stay where i go to college if i go out of state.

[can-ham]

We COULD take over Cananda, it would be the first war in the history of The United States that we could drive to. Probably take us all of a month,as long as we do it as a summer project. Can we let them keep Quebec though? Might as well give it to France,they speak the language already.

Don't forget the last time USA tried to invade Canada in 1812. A drunk Canadian general and a bunch of indians kicked your ass!

Although it's not commonly taught in American history cause you guys lost. :p

[JaraTo]

I'm in Michigan, nuff said.

[BubbaRay]

WOW ! We go from "Rollin With Rowdy Summer Tour" Topic to Northern people and Souther People. Talk about a topic going astray. :confused: :rolleyes:

[Rowdy]

IDK rowdy, im not really a fan of the south because of the type of storms. I might just go sentral like virginia or maryland. Or i might just stay where i go to college if i go out of state.

Well,hurricanes are pretty much hit and miss. They hit your house but miss you because you loaded up the truck and went to visit your out of state relatives. But now you know why Rednecks have a fondness for plywood. We use it to board up the windows in a hurricane and spray paint it to take with us to the race in Daytona. It's all good either way.

[Rowdy]

Don't forget the last time USA tried to invade Canada in 1812. A drunk Canadian general and a bunch of indians kicked your ass!

Although it's not commonly taught in American history cause you guys lost. :p

I did learn about it in High School. The general's dead and the Indians are gone,so I figure it's a cakewalk this time around.:)

[Rowdy]

WOW ! We go from "Rollin With Rowdy Summer Tour" Topic to Northern people and Souther People. Talk about a topic going astray. :confused: :rolleyes:

Not to worry,you're pencilled in for TWO stops of the "Rollin' With Rowdy" Summer Tour. Feel better now???:)

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy, i believe your talking about the French and Indian war. I only know about this because i am learning about it in school right now.

[TenPinSniper]

Here is some light reading: :D
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_1812

Personally, I did learn some about this in History. (I remember learning about lost battles, conflicts, not sure about wars.)

But re-reading this stuff... I really didn't see how Canada was involved... other than land. It was mainly between the US and Great Britain.

Then I looked this up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act%2C_1867
Looks to me that Canada did not really stand on its own until about July 1, 1867.

[Rowdy]

Okay kiddies,history class is over. We're going to talk about your most prized bowling possesion. No,that trophy only comes in fourth. No,that new bag is only good for third place. Nope,not that new Bite either.

It's your hand. You know,that thing at the end of your arm that gave you so much pleasure as a teenager. Before women. But I digress. It seems that there are a bunch of you who think you're some kind of Super Dude or something.

You complain of hand and/or finger pain,but continue to bowl through it. WRONG!!! Let's see if this helps...IF YOUR HAND AND/OR FINGERS ARE HURTING, OR YOU START TO FEEL PAIN IN YOUR HAND AND/OR FINGERS WHEN YOU BOWL.....STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND GO TO A DOCTOR IMMEDIATLY!!!!! IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HURT WHEN YOU BOWL!!!!!!!!!!

Did we all understand that??? If not,I can repeat it again. In over 40 YEARS of bowling have I ever hurt my hand and/or fingers in a bowling ball. I make sure that I get my hand remeasured before the beginning of every season. Then I have all the balls adjusted as needed.

The grip is the only place where you touch the ball. It's your best place to impart the spin that will determine how much hook the ball will have. The arm plays a part too,but if you aren't holding on to the ball correctly all that work is for nothing.

We have all kinds of things available to us to help us grip the ball better. Slugs,inserts,all kinds of tape,Magic Carpets etc. But they only help if the span is correct from the start. None of these pieces of equipment will fix a bad grip. None.

The hand should always come out of the ball cleanly. There should never be any pain involved in rolling the ball. If you are one of the guys battling hand pain,I feel for you. I've know guys who can't bowl anymore because they wouldn't stop bowling a go see a Doc about that hand and/or finger pain. I know guys who used to be really great bowlers who roll like crap now because they tried to roll through the pain and did PERMANENT DAMAGE to their hand and/or fingers. Want that last part in really big,red letters???

Stop trying to be a hero. Stop bowling if it hurts. Get your hand fixed. Get the ball checked. Okay?

[Rowdy]

This one just floors me. I can't belive the gall of some people. I'm warming before a league the other night. I'm there over an hour early to get in some quality time on the lanes,when a guy I know comes and sits down where I'm rolling. He looks like someone ran away with his wife,ran over his brand new puppy and ran off with his bowling gear. He's on a team thats in third place and only about 15 pins out of second. So being the kind hearted soul that I am,I ask whats wrong?

Turns out his "teammates" decided that they were going to make a push to win it all,so with less than a month to go in the season they up and kicked him off the team and hired themselves a ringer. As in a guy who rolls 35 pins a game higher,kind of ringer.

I asked him what was the reason that his old team gave him for his dismissal. Being too far behind in league dues,was the answer. Welllll,I know this one is total BS,because we have a league rule about being current on dues. I'm starting to smell a rat. A big stinking one. I went and made small talk with the captain of his old team. I didn't even have to ask about it,they were only too happy to spill the beans. Since my team is in first,but we lost a guy to a job transfer,they thought they were going to smoke on past us and win the whole thing with their new bowler. They were calling the guy a "substitute" and picking up his bar tab to pay him back for rolling with them. Interesting.

I grabbed the league officers and headed for a private spot to air this smelly one out. How can you have a "sub" when the guy thats supposed to be on the team is there and ready to bowl? And being one week behind is not cause to boot someone off a team. So we set a little trap for them. I held our match back and asked if everyone would hang on for about 15 minutes. This was cool with the other team because they were waiting on someone running late. Perfect.

We let the team with the ringer start their match and waited until the ringer threw the first shot. Then all hell broke loose. Since it wasn't a legal lineup and was presented with the express intent of gaining an unfair advantage,the league officers threw the ringer out and told the team that the penalty for violating about four rules was forfiet of all three games and loss of all the points for that night. In other words,pack it up and go home,you ain't rolling tonight.

With them gone we had a quick captains meeting and voted to let the poor guy finish out the season on our team. With his help we won all our games and turns out that his old team slid all the way down to sixth place with the loss of all their games.

But can you belive the nerve of those guys?

[JaraTo]

WOW!! :eek:

[madaba]

That's crappy as hell, i'm glad the league officers and you did the right thing about it.

[BubbaRay]

Rowdy I have to haqnd it to you , Good call on your part. I know in our leagues we have a rule that our rosters close the 8th week of the second half and any and all subs need 21 games in ore more to be eligible to compete at the end of the half.

[Cobberz]

yeah that sucks, i havent heard of anything that bad, one team in our league did something like this last year, actually my dads team. One guy on there team that doesnt talk to any of them, get into cards or the beer frame ended up quitting, so about half way through the year a guy that we'll call "Bob" said he would finish out the year with them, now hes not the greatest bowler in the world, but that shouldnt matter, he was a nice guy and he had some handicap and most important he showed up to bowl every week and enjoyed the game, so end of the year rolls around and "bob" asks if they are all bowling together the next season, and 2 of the guys on this team (NOT my dad) tell him that hes not bowling with them next year because he "sucks" then they have the nerve to ask me to bowl with them and i told my dad nothing against him or that team but id rather stick with my team, because they asked me to come back and i dont have to deal with any of that garabage on my team, we all get along and have a great time...like you said some people have alot of nerve kinda like my first year in this league a couple years back, i was new to the league and didnt have a team so i was hoping a team needed a bowler, and with my luck i find a team that said i could "try out" for their team, which meant that if i bowled good the first night, and they thought i was good enough, i could bowl with them, ofcourse i shot 690, but i wish i woulda shot 400 because bowling with these a-holes was tourture all year, only to have the league president and best bowler in the league ask me to bowl with them the next year

[Rowdy]

Rowdy I have to haqnd it to you , Good call on your part. I know in our leagues we have a rule that our rosters close the 8th week of the second half and any and all subs need 21 games in ore more to be eligible to compete at the end of the half.

I wouldn't have said a peep if they had done it the right way. All they had to do was ASK if I wanted the guy on my team because we were one player short. I would have gladly added him to our team. THEN they could have brought in Pete Weber for all I care and it would have been legal under our league rules.

But I will never stand by and watch someone get the shaft like that. I wouldn't want anyone doing it to me,so I'm not going to do it,or let it be done, to some one else.

Having said all that,we're going to have a PBA league this summer. The team that pulled all the crap is going to roll in it. With their ringer. I called three of the best rollers in the house. Wonder how they're going to feel about going up against our "All Star" team? Revenge can be sweet.:)

[can-ham]

Nice work Rowdy! I hope you enjoy kicking their ars this summer!

I understand maybe finding a new player the next year but to dump a person near the end of the season is just crap. That would never fly in our league as it's match play and a large pay out. You can get subs but they have to have an average no greater than 6 pins above yours and you have to pay the dues as you still get the end of year pay out.

[Cobalt]

Having said all that,we're going to have a PBA league this summer. The team that pulled all the crap is going to roll in it. With their ringer. I called three of the best rollers in the house. Wonder how they're going to feel about going up against our "All Star" team? Revenge can be sweet.:)

We're having a PBA Experience league this summer too, a lot of people that signed up are the ones who only shoot on our house shot. They are also the ones who brag for a week about shooting only a 600. I can't wait for it to start.

[Rowdy]

We're having a PBA Experience league this summer too, a lot of people that signed up are the ones who only shoot on our house shot. They are also the ones who brag for a week about shooting only a 600. I can't wait for it to start.

This should be ugly.....very ugly. Hehehehe.:)

[Rowdy]

I was having a conversation with the manager of the house that I roll in the most the other day. He was trying to figure out which league should roll on which night. He got to Friday and was at a loss for what to do with that night. There was nothing to book for the time up to 11pm. I suggested a sweeper. He told me that wouldn't fly because it would have to be finished by 11. I ask,why? Because thats when the glow "bowlers" have to start rolling.

Have to???

Turns out,this damn glow bowling is the tail thats wagging the dog. What was once billed as the thing that saved your house from going broke is now the thing thats draining all the money!

In addition to the disco lights and mega-watt sound system,glow bowling also sucks up manpower hours like a BWSolid does lane oil. There's two people at a table set up to collect the entry fee,two people at the front desk,one to hand out shoes and the other one to hand out the lightweight kids balls-since none of these "bowlers" can be bothered to have their own gear,three people in the snack bar-one to watch for theft from these low lifes,plus the usual bartender and waitress. Thats NINE people,we only use four in a regular league.And for TWO nights! They glow bowl on Friday and Saturday.

Lets also not forget about the TWO,count 'em,TWO off duty cops that have to be hired to make sure these upstanding citizens don't tear the place apart or loot it blind. Keep in mind,the pro shop is locked up tighter than Fort Knox the whole time this glow crap is going on.

Now a sweeper or some other "normal" bowling event would use less than half the people,no cops,and the pro shop would be making money for the house.Plus the bar would do MORE business,since the league bowlers consume way more beer and mixed drinks than the other bowlers do.

This should be an exercise in simple economics,right? Which deal would make more cash for the house,glow or sweepers? Well,the answer by a large margin is sweepers. In just one night a sweeper makes more money for the house than glow bowlers do in two. But we won't be having any sweepers this summer. Why? The owner spent a small fortune installing all those disco lights and the mega-watt sound system,so he wants the glow bowlers to stay untill they pay for it all. Unbeliveable.

And the tail keeps wagging the dog.

[hbhammerhead]

I was having a conversation with the manager of the house that I roll in the most the other day. He was trying to figure out which league should roll on which night. He got to Friday and was at a loss for what to do with that night. There was nothing to book for the time up to 11pm. I suggested a sweeper. He told me that wouldn't fly because it would have to be finished by 11. I ask,why? Because thats when the glow "bowlers" have to start rolling.

Have to???

Turns out,this damn glow bowling is the tail thats wagging the dog. What was once billed as the thing that saved your house from going broke is now the thing thats draining all the money!

In addition to the disco lights and mega-watt sound system,glow bowling also sucks up manpower hours like a BWSolid does lane oil. There's two people at a table set up to collect the entry fee,two people at the front desk,one to hand out shoes and the other one to hand out the lightweight kids balls-since none of these "bowlers" can be bothered to have their own gear,three people in the snack bar-one to watch for theft from these low lifes,plus the usual bartender and waitress. Thats NINE people,we only use four in a regular league.And for TWO nights! They glow bowl on Friday and Saturday.

Lets also not forget about the TWO,count 'em,TWO off duty cops that have to be hired to make sure these upstanding citizens don't tear the place apart or loot it blind. Keep in mind,the pro shop is locked up tighter than Fort Knox the whole time this glow crap is going on.

Now a sweeper or some other "normal" bowling event would use less than half the people,no cops,and the pro shop would be making money for the house.Plus the bar would do MORE business,since the league bowlers consume way more beer and mixed drinks than the other bowlers do.

This should be an exercise in simple economics,right? Which deal would make more cash for the house,glow or sweepers? Well,the answer by a large margin is sweepers. In just one night a sweeper makes more money for the house than glow bowlers do in two. But we won't be having any sweepers this summer. Why? The owner spent a small fortune installing all those disco lights and the mega-watt sound system,so he wants the glow bowlers to stay untill they pay for it all. Unbeliveable.

And the tail keeps wagging the dog.

what would be nice, is if there were bowling houses specifically dedicated to people who like to glow bowl or just bowl for fun. they could have glow bowling as much as they want taking all the non serious bowling out of the house you and i bowl at. the "glow" house would make a lot of money since there are a lot of glow bowlers and our houses would be able to have more leagues and practice times. and they might be able to actually lay down sport shots because serious bowlers only would be there.

[Rowdy]

The really sad part of all this is if you really want to glow bowl all you have to do is roll on lanes 1,2,3 or 4. They're in the corner and the front desk will turn off the house lights,turn on the disco lights and crank the sound down there. All for the regular price. At any time of the day. They do it for birthday parties all the time. I've seen them do it for open bowlers who ask politely. Go figure.

[Rowdy]

This one may be the one that goes over the line. If it does,so be it. It needs to be written and I've got a keyboard and I'm not afraid to use it.

THIS HERE POST IS FOR ALL THOSE FINE FOLKS AT THE EBONITE BOWLING BALL COMPANY. TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND WHILE Y'ALL READ THIS.

Do I have your attention now? Good. We,your loyal customer base,would kindly like to be this FIRST bowlers to know of a brand spankin' new release of a Hammer bowling ball.

That's it. That's not too much to ask for,I trust. Just that one itsy-bitsy thing. Just tell us what it is and when we can expect to be able to fork over our hard earned non-gas buying dollars for the honor of being the first guy in the house to own the dang ball. That's all.

Why???

BECAUSE YOU DAMN SURE DIDN'T DO IT WITH THE LAST THREE OR FOUR BALLS,THAT'S WHY!!!!!!!

I apologize. That shouldn't have come out that way. It should have been in BLUE, SO I KNOW THAT Y'ALL COULD READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean being from Kentucky and all,I figure blue is the only color y'all can see. UK,get it??? Nevermind.

We,your loyal customer base,are sick and tired of the snot nosed kid at the front desk knowing more about our brand of ball than we do.

We,your loyal customer base,are sick and tired of the ancient old lady at the snack bar knowing what the next ball we be called and when it'll come out before we do.

We,your loyal customer base,are really fed up to here by the fact that the cocktail waitress makes snide remarks about spending all of our new ball money in the bar when a ball we know nothing about is coming out next week.

All of the above happened in the house I roll the most in over the last three seasons. Only one of them happened to me,the rest to other HammerHeads. I stiffed the cocktail waitress on her tip,by the way.

It really burns our collective butts that you guys think so little of us that you won't even share a new release with us first. Don't even get me started on layouts from PBA balls like MoRich and Storm do. Y'all can work on that one in your spare time.

Think you guys could start catering to your loyal customer base for once???

Pretty Please?????

[BubbaRay]

WOW, that is biting the hand that feeds you. I think the reason for it is that we all know there are alot of people out there that will blab evrything to everyone about upcoming releases. And also it would hurt sales tremendously if the majority evaluated the ball before it's release. They will decide, Nawww, that's not for me and not even give the ball a chance. This is my opinion only.

That is what makes Ebonite Demo Days so great. You get to test drive the equipment before you buy .

[TenPinSniper]

WOW, that is biting the hand that feeds you. I think the reason for it is that we all know there are alot of people out there that will blab evrything to everyone about upcoming releases. And also it would hurt sales tremendously if the majority evaluated the ball before it's release. They will decide, Nawww, that's not for me and not even give the ball a chance. This is my opinion only.

That is what makes Ebonite Demo Days so great. You get to test drive the equipment before you buy .

Honestly, I understand the company line... even just for the sponsered guys.

But, I have not seen a Demo Days for Ebonite, Hammer, Columbia or Track in this area for way to long. Last one I heard about I attended. The bad thing I already owned the new balls. The Big Deal and High Rev. The only thing it did was made me wish I bought a Big Block Diesel. We need more Demo Days!

If they post something here for us, the rest of the world is gonna know. The thing is the even if they tell us... how are we going to review it? We can't get one until release date anyway. Trust me if I was on staff and I knew something I'd be tight lipped enough... Right now the only thing we have is one listed on the Approved list from last month. That is being discussed here and everywhere else, even by staffers. (I know Jeff reads over there too.)

[BubbaRay]

Well I think that if Ebonite were to tell us about the new stuff coming out, everyone would want to know what the ball does and what cover stck and core it has.

The problem with Demo Days as I see it is there are alot of owners wo do not want to put up the linage for everyone to bowl on for that long of a period of time. And also they do not know enough about it to get involved. We have to inform them and let them inquire about the Demo Days.

We had one here last Sunday and it was a terrific time. We had Mr. Tom Lasko From Ebonite doing the show. I was there representing Hammer .There were 5 PBA Pros there ( no big names ) Regional Pro's helping to coach and inform all the patricipants on the balls and helping with their game. It was a great day as those of you who attended a Demo Days knows how nice it is.

I was informed of some things that day that I am sworn to secrecy untill the proper time.

[TenPinSniper]

Some of the local proshops just don't think it worth their effort. Honestly thought I'd consider buying some of the Ebonite Brands... even Track. The last Track Bowling Ball I owned was complete and utter junk for me. But now that they are made else where I might consider buying one.

I'd really like to try the Rival, Wrath's, maybe the High End Stuff...

Since I have yet to roll a Vibe, one of those too. Have not rolled anything in the Raw Line, since the Pain. (Old Core from the line.) Heck even the orginal Black Widow.

From the Track Line I'd like to try the Kentic line...

Then in the Ebonite line I'd like to try the Bash, Clash, Game Breaker, Raid... not really super interested in the NV Line, but I roll them too, maybe the Complete NV.

One of the three Demo Days, I went to had several good people there...
Del Ballard, Gary Hulsenberg (Regional Rep at the time), local proshop and reginal players: Bill Smith, Jimmie Gibson and Paul Wolfe.. there was also someone lese from the tour just don't remember who now.

Demo Days are great events even it's just your Regional Sales Rep and Proshops Operater for that house. (Heck I'd might even drive, with in reason and the right stuff was going to be there. Hammers and another Brand would do it.)

[can-ham]

I was informed of some things that day that I am sworn to secrecy untill the proper time.

OK Bubba I'm a big fan of yours but this is the exact problem. Don't dangle the freaking carrot in front of us! I assume you would already know and I bet it's fun, but you can't admit that you're "in the know"...

[JaraTo]

OK Bubba I'm a big fan of yours but this is the exact problem. Don't dangle the freaking carrot in front of us! I assume you would already know and I bet it's fun, but you can't admit that you're "in the know"...

I concur... "I have a secret, Nah Nah Nah!"

[BubbaRay]

Please except my Apologies.

[can-ham]

Please except my Apologies.

No Worries Bubba, I know you wouldn't do this intentionally. Now do you feel guilty enough to spill? ;):D

[TenPinSniper]

Please except my Apologies.

No worries, we all understand here... it just gets frustrating, that we hear about these release from other sources than Hammer. Pretty sure we understand the need to keep tight lipped about it.

Say you had the new ball, they sure would not want you flapping your jaws... they want to hype the balls threw the roof.

[Rowdy]

WOW, that is biting the hand that feeds you. I think the reason for it is that we all know there are alot of people out there that will blab evrything to everyone about upcoming releases. And also it would hurt sales tremendously if the majority evaluated the ball before it's release. They will decide, Nawww, that's not for me and not even give the ball a chance. This is my opinion only.

That is what makes Ebonite Demo Days so great. You get to test drive the equipment before you buy .

Would it really kill someone to post the new release on here at 12:01 in the AM on the day they announce the ball? I don't think the planet would stop spinning.

News Flash:The majority already DO evaluate a ball before it's on the shelf. What hurts sales is not properly promoting the dang ball!!! What HELPS sales is getting the ball to people who will actually use the thing and talk it up. And NOT some PBA pro either. The ball instantly gains crediblity if someone not on Tour is rolling it and scoring big. Someone at Ebonite owes me a boatload of commision money from all the balls I've talked guys into buying. Send the check!

Ebonite Demo Days are great??? Couldn't prove it by me. They never have one around here to go to.

[hbhammerhead]

i agree that the loyal customers of hammer should be the first to know what is next to be released. i really don't think that spilling the beans early would have that big of an affect on sales, but i wouldn't know for sure. heck, i'd be satisfied with a release date and a name.

[Rowdy]

This is still HAMMERbowling.com isn't it?

Seems to me to be the logical first place to announce a new HAMMER ball.

Wouldn't it???

I mean I'm not the guy with the four year college degree in marketing or anything,I'm just the guy who rolls the gear and talks to other bowlers and lets them roll my stuff so they'll go buy a Hammer of their very own.

Kinda like having my own Demo Day. And it works.:)

But I don't have that marketing degree so I must not know what the hell I'm doing,right? I'm in a bowling alley selling bowling balls directly to the bowlers. What a concept. I'm not on a golf course selling bowling balls to a distributor who could care less about RG numbers and coverstocks. He just wants to know about units and discounted prices.

Ah,I see the problem now.

[TenPinSniper]

So is your new company going to be selling Golf Clubs to distributors at the Bowling Alley. :p

If Rowdy owned a Bowling Ball Company...one of the rules in the drill sheets would be if you don't clean it after bowling don't even bother ever calling us with your problems.

Motto's:
Shut up and Roll it already!
Rollin' Strikes
Rollin' 4 Baggers since 1958!
Bowl, Clean and Repeat.

[can-ham]

So is your new company going to be selling Golf Clubs to distributors at the Bowling Alley. :p

If Rowdy owned a Bowling Ball Company...one of the rules in the drill sheets would be if you don't clean it after bowling don't even bother ever calling us with your problems.

Motto's:
Shut up and Roll it already!
Rollin' Strikes
Rollin' 4 Baggers since 1958!
Bowl, Clean and Repeat.

Don't forget his latest promotion order now and get a free polo and dress slacks, cause if your rolling Rowdy you better look the part!

http://www.imagetalks.com/images/thumbnails/rbcm-04009.jpg

[JoshWithrow]

Motto's:
Shut up and Roll it already!
Rollin' Strikes
Rollin' Hambones since 1958!
Bowl, Clean and Repeat.

Fixed LOL!

[Rowdy]

Are you children done yet?:rolleyes:

[BubbaRay]

I hope they are

[Rowdy]

Don't forget his latest promotion order now and get a free polo and dress slacks, cause if your rolling Rowdy you better look the part!

http://www.imagetalks.com/images/thumbnails/rbcm-04009.jpg

Ahem. As you SHOULD know, a proper bowling shirt buttons all the way up the front.

I would never wear white slacks to roll in. Only black.

Polo shirts are for golf.

Have a nice day.:)

[mongoliantreesloth]

If a couple of my balls don't get it together,I'm going to go to the big bridge in Charleston and prove that two objects of different weight WILL hit the water at the same time when dropped of said big ass bridge
Polluting the environment isn't going to go down well, especially if you've got incriminating evidence of you doing the deed. Anyway , gravity = 9.81 m / s2

Why not drill an inch hole right through each ball and mount them onto a steel pole that's either got a stand on the bottom or is set into concrete. It's be an interesting objet d'art.

[can-ham]

I would never wear white slacks to roll in. Only black.

Polo shirts are for golf.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050525/134444__ordinary_l.jpg
WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH A GOLF SHIRT AND WHITE PLEATED PANTS!


Yes that other picture was meant as humor. As a software guy I freaking hate the casual cooperate uniform.

[Rowdy]

Polluting the environment isn't going to go down well, especially if you've got incriminating evidence of you doing the deed. Anyway , gravity = 9.81 m / s2

Why not drill an inch hole right through each ball and mount them onto a steel pole that's either got a stand on the bottom or is set into concrete. It's be an interesting objet d'art.

Said big ass bridge is brand new and replaced two old steel bridges that were blown into the water with high explosives. Somehow I don't think that anyone is gonna bitch about two bowling balls in amongst all that steel and concrete.

[Rowdy]

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/050525/134444__ordinary_l.jpg

WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH A GOLF SHIRT AND WHITE PLEATED PANTS!



Yes that other picture was meant as humor. As a software guy I freaking hate the casual cooperate uniform.





I think you've figured out why PDW hasn't been winning like he used to.:eek:

[TenPinSniper]

Come on I thought we add some good stuff... :D

I like Mock Bowling Shirts. The Retro's are cool too.

Maybe some free glow on the dark shoe lace's after the purchase of two bowling balls. :eek:

[Rowdy]

Nope. You gotta go with the original classic bowling shirt:King Louie.

It also helps if the shirt says something along the lines of "Eddie's Transmission Shop" on the back and "Zeke" on the front. With a couple of old ABC patches on the sleeve.

I wouldn't give "glow in the dark" anything away.

[TenPinSniper]

Rowdy... alot of this was just kidding around, well probably all of it.

Know you'd never send out anything that would glow in the dark.

Some Polo's are ok, never have worn a Classic Bowling Shirt... the Mock's provide alot of comfort. Honestly if I'm not comfortable I'm not gonna wear the shirt. I could wear nicer clothes with out an issue.

[Rowdy]

Rowdy... alot of this was just kidding around, well probably all of it.

Know you'd never send out anything that would glow in the dark.

Some Polo's are ok, never have worn a Classic Bowling Shirt... the Mock's provide alot of comfort. Honestly if I'm not comfortable I'm not gonna wear the shirt. I could wear nicer clothes with out an issue.

I do have a mock pull over shirt with Hammer logo's on it that I'll wear sometimes. It's made of one of the new fabrics that lets air in,so you don't get all sweaty when there's a bunch of people right on top of you.

Try a classic bowling shirt. Since you don't tuck them in it actually can free up your armswing on the follow through.

Still not gonna have anything to do with something that glows in the dark.

[TenPinSniper]

Never really like to tuck much of anything in...

I do not bowl in long sleeves, nor is any shirt going to be tucked in while I'm bowling... it drives my wife insane, because I won't wear certains shirts bowling, because they are tighter.

[JaraTo]

When does the new Underarmour line of bowling apparel get released.

[idlehourlegend]

Never really like to tuck much of anything in...

I do not bowl in long sleeves, nor is any shirt going to be tucked in while I'm bowling... it drives my wife insane, because I won't wear certains shirts bowling, because they are tighter.

Im the same way. No long sleeves, nothing tight.

[Young300]

The Junior Gold shirts from last year were very nice. They were made of the light material that Rowdy is talking of, yet they aren't too tight or too loose. :D

[TenPinSniper]

The Hammer Shirt are nice, I got a couple of them. The material on my No Mercy shirt is great, the material on the Burgandy Hammer shirt is okay, probably better for winter, it does not breath as well, it thicker material.

[Rowdy]

Mine isn't from Hammer,it's actually a golf shirt:eek: that I put Hammer patches on. Nice and loose,even when I tuck it in.

I just couldn't see spending the bucks Hammer is asking for one of their shirts when I have all those patches that Brian Graham sent me,way back when.

Besides,the shirt was on clearance sale and I'm "thrifty". (Cough,cough.)

[JaraTo]

Besides,the shirt was on clearance sale and I'm "thifty". (Cough,cough.)

so THRIFTY he didn't want to waste time typing an R

[BubbaRay]

so THRIFTY he didn't want to waste time typing an R


No No Rowdy got it right. The shirt was on clearence and all clearence items do not put the R in Thrifty. Thus Thifty.:D

[Thepainscoming]

I got my bowling shirt for free from my dad doing favors for someone else and them returning it this way. Mines full button down because this was a lupoll to not have to tuck it in lol.

[Rowdy]

Yes,it's true. Yours truly is going to team up with the always lovely Tinkerbell and NeoWidow to form Team Hammer in our PBA League this summer. I'm really looking forward to rolling on a pattern that actually has oil in it for once.

For this league I'm going to try and do something I haven't done in years,I'm going to see if I can get my sorry butt elected as Vice-Prez of the league. I figure it's high time to get back in the saddle as far as helping out on league night goes. Hopefully I'll be able to head off some of the problems that have plaqued leagues in the past at our house.

Some of our past officers have not been the kind of people who should be running a league,to put it mildly. They made decisions based on personalities,not the rulebook. Then if too many people complained they just reversed their decision without telling anyone about it. Talk about wetting your finger and sticking it up in the air.

Anyway,our organizational meeting is the night of the 22nd and we start rolling for score on the 29th.

Wish me luck. I'll probably need it.:)

[stilesthomas]

good luck and have fun rowdy and remeber the night was a success as long as you had fun, good games , and some good stiff drinks lol

[BubbaRay]

Good luck Mr. Vice Pres.

[Rowdy]

Vote for Me!:)

[Rowdy]

Well,it seems that I was misinformed. After committing to my team it seems that NeoWidow has had a change of heart and won't be joining us on the lanes this summer. So know I have to search for another roller.

Any volunteers???

[Rowdy]

If you read my open letter to Jeff Ussery,y'all know that I am well and truly pissed off.

I will no longer be buying any new Hammer bowling balls,bags,shirts,etc until things change with regard to Jeff's inattention to those of us who pay the bills at Hammer.

My next new ball or two will be coming from MoRich. If that doesn't set well with anyone at Hammer,tough sh*t. Wanna ban me? Go for it,you need me worse than I need y'all.

Keep in mind that I'm always ahead of the curve on all things bowling. So while I may be just one guy who's not buying your crap now,rest assured there will be others who will see the light shortly and join me in no longer purchasing bowling balls from a company that crapped all over them.

Hopefully, someday soon Ebonite will see what a hash Jeff is making of Hammer and move him somewhere where he can't do as much damage as he's done here. Until then I'll be recommending another company's gear and spending my hard earned money elsewhere.

[hbhammerhead]

If you read my open letter to Jeff Ussery,y'all know that I am well and truly pissed off.

I will no longer be buying any new Hammer bowling balls,bags,shirts,etc until things change with regard to Jeff's inattention to those of us who pay the bills at Hammer.

My next new ball or two will be coming from MoRich. If that doesn't set well with anyone at Hammer,tough sh*t. Wanna ban me? Go for it,you need me worse than I need y'all.

Keep in mind that I'm always ahead of the curve on all things bowling. So while I may be just one guy who's not buying your crap now,rest assured there will be others who will see the light shortly and join me in no longer purchasing bowling balls from a company that crapped all over them.

Hopefully, someday soon Ebonite will see what a hash Jeff is making of Hammer and move him somewhere where he can't do as much damage as he's done here. Until then I'll be recommending another company's gear and spending my hard earned money elsewhere.

what do you think about the solid levRG? i haven't seen one in person.

[Rowdy]

what do you think about the solid levRG? i haven't seen one in person.

From what I've seen of the ball,it looks on the lane about like a BWSolid with a really strong drill on it.

[stilesthomas]

if i was alot closer i would but a bit of a drive every week lol

[JaraTo]

My pro shop guy keeps suggesting this "hook monster" they are supposed to be releasing. Slap told me it's rumored to be particle.... don't know the name though.

[can-ham]

My pro shop guy keeps suggesting this "hook monster" they are supposed to be releasing. Slap told me it's rumored to be particle.... don't know the name though.

Wow rumors of a new ball not coming from the MoRich site. I'm going to stop buying their stuff! :p


...,you need me worse than I need y'all.
...

Rowdy man this is so not true, these forums have been awesome before you arrived. Now this is the type of crap, I used to hate about you. Then you actually won me over, I enjoy most of your posts and like most of the knowledge you share. I also feel a little bit like I know you after reading most of you're 4000+ posts. I'm guessing your getting pissy because Jeffery isn't answering your personal emails like Brian used to do. But as far as the new release launch, Buddies has had it first since I've been bowling (for 6 years) and it's no different at MoRich except they don't have a forum. In all fairness Mo makes great balls and they will compliment Hammer (just ask slap).

So do what you gotta do, but I hope you stick around and continue to share you knowledge and feisty attitude.

I for one am not buying a new ball because my hammers are so awesome that they still work great. When I need a new ball I will weigh my options and then get the best ball for my game, 95% chance it will be a hammer!

[Street Racer]

I will no longer be buying any new Hammer bowling balls,bags,shirts,etc until things change with regard to Jeff's inattention to those of us who pay the bills at Hammer.

My next new ball or two will be coming from MoRich. If that doesn't set well with anyone at Hammer,tough sh*t. Wanna ban me? Go for it,you need me worse than I need y'all.



I wasnt going to post anything... but i have to...

i couldnt give a ass if you went to global 900... geez even track... at least i know you wouldnt come back... hahaha... as the saying goes, once you go track you never go back....

i really miss the days of back in the year 05, sure tenpinsniper would agree... no fighting... just group of guys talking about hammer..

OMG prob my next ball isnt going to be a hammer, oh stupid ebonite.. not posting any pics of the NVD... not posting any info...*cry me a river brett*(this is me being stupid)(but pics of the NVD would be good:)) but i can wait...

i really think this thread i am posting in right now is trash... i never have posted a single thing in it until now...

i would ban you right now if i could... and hmm forums prob would be alot better without you.. i know i dont need you...

i lost total respect for you when you posted that letter up..(really wish brian would of gave me MOD status even)... very uncalled for... should be ashamed

you will prob snap back at me for posting this... do i care? no... i dont care about you anymore... i dont care if i get banned for posting this..

yes, i disagree with them releasing the vemon... but did i act like a 2 year old about it.. no... had people agree with me about it..

People need to learn to get over a bridge in life..

my 2c's...


(man i hate waiting for replies... really wanna see what rowdy has to say)

[JaraTo]

This place is all about posting information and advice.... as well as opinions. I'll disagree with some opinions as well but it's better be quiet if you don't have anything nice to say at all. I do think that many disgruntled posters may have crossed the line when fingers were specifically pointed at Mr. Ussery, but I guess people can find comfort in a appointing a scapegoat. We know you're upset, and I don't disagree the reasons are justified but let's try to put the brakes on finger pointing especially if the person isn't here to defend themself. With that said, I don't think anyone should be banned as long as you stay respectful. Opinions are welcomed and should not be discouraged. Roll whatever you want but I would hate to lose the collective wisdom provided by all who are upset under the circumstance but have been kind enough to help others out with their games. Let's not push these people away, they are still hammerheads at heart.

[Rowdy]

(man i hate waiting for replies... really wanna see what rowdy has to say)

Not a damn thing. Your opinion is your opinion and you have every right to express it.

Too bad you can't, or won't, extend the same courtesy to others.

[Rowdy]

This place is all about posting information and advice.... as well as opinions. I'll disagree with some opinions as well but it's better be quiet if you don't have anything nice to say at all. I do think that many disgruntled posters may have crossed the line when fingers were specifically pointed at Mr. Ussery, but I guess people can find comfort in a appointing a scapegoat. We know you're upset, and I don't disagree the reasons are justified but let's try to put the brakes on finger pointing especially if the person isn't here to defend themself. With that said, I don't think anyone should be banned as long as you stay respectful. Opinions are welcomed and should not be discouraged. Roll whatever you want but I would hate to lose the collective wisdom provided by all who are upset under the circumstance but have been kind enough to help others out with their games. Let's not push these people away, they are still hammerheads at heart.

Who would you like me to point a finger at.....Bubba??? Jeff's the guy in charge of all things Hammer,so the buck stops with him,as far as I can see. Last I checked the internet works worldwide,so what's the problem with him keeping up with what's going on on here???

[Rowdy]

Wow rumors of a new ball not coming from the MoRich site. I'm going to stop buying their stuff! :p




Rowdy man this is so not true, these forums have been awesome before you arrived. Now this is the type of crap, I used to hate about you. Then you actually won me over, I enjoy most of your posts and like most of the knowledge you share. I also feel a little bit like I know you after reading most of you're 4000+ posts. I'm guessing your getting pissy because Jeffery isn't answering your personal emails like Brian used to do. But as far as the new release launch, Buddies has had it first since I've been bowling (for 6 years) and it's no different at MoRich except they don't have a forum. In all fairness Mo makes great balls and they will compliment Hammer (just ask slap).

So do what you gotta do, but I hope you stick around and continue to share you knowledge and feisty attitude.

I for one am not buying a new ball because my hammers are so awesome that they still work great. When I need a new ball I will weigh my options and then get the best ball for my game, 95% chance it will be a hammer!

Sorry,I was referring to the fact that Hammer needs my MONEY more than I need to roll one of their balls. I didn't make myself clear. Not your fault,I was rushing what I was typing. My bad.

[JaraTo]

Well there is a small division called PR and Marketing. Wasn't sure if he was head of that as well Mr. Rowdy.

[BubbaRay]

What the heck is going on now?

[JaraTo]

Nothing vicious.... should've put :D before after Mr. Rowdy.

[TenPinSniper]

Rowdy man this is so not true, these forums have been awesome before you arrived. Now this is the type of crap, I used to hate about you. Then you actually won me over, I enjoy most of your posts and like most of the knowledge you share. I also feel a little bit like I know you after reading most of you're 4000+ posts. I'm guessing your getting pissy because Jeffery isn't answering your personal emails like Brian used to do. But as far as the new release launch, Buddies has had it first since I've been bowling (for 6 years) and it's no different at MoRich except they don't have a forum. In all fairness Mo makes great balls and they will compliment Hammer (just ask slap).

So do what you gotta do, but I hope you stick around and continue to share you knowledge and feisty attitude.

I for one am not buying a new ball because my hammers are so awesome that they still work great. When I need a new ball I will weigh my options and then get the best ball for my game, 95% chance it will be a hammer!

I'll say this place will get along with any of us... non of us are the cornerstone that holds this place together. (Well other than me! :rolleyes: yeah right...) There is always someone who knows more than any of us... now the question could be have any of them been ran off, with pissing and moaning that has went on here in say the past year.

I wasnt going to post anything... but i have to...

i couldnt give a ass if you went to global 900... geez even track... at least i know you wouldnt come back... hahaha... as the saying goes, once you go track you never go back....

i really miss the days of back in the year 05, sure tenpinsniper would agree... no fighting... just group of guys talking about hammer..

OMG prob my next ball isnt going to be a hammer, oh stupid ebonite.. not posting any pics of the NVD... not posting any info...*cry me a river brett*(this is me being stupid)(but pics of the NVD would be good:)) but i can wait...

i really think this thread i am posting in right now is trash... i never have posted a single thing in it until now...

i would ban you right now if i could... and hmm forums prob would be alot better without you.. i know i dont need you...

i lost total respect for you when you posted that letter up..(really wish brian would of gave me MOD status even)... very uncalled for... should be ashamed

you will prob snap back at me for posting this... do i care? no... i dont care about you anymore... i dont care if i get banned for posting this..

yes, i disagree with them releasing the vemon... but did i act like a 2 year old about it.. no... had people agree with me about it..


Was gonna post a thing, started one last night... but decided to let it ride. There are definately time when I miss the old days, we had a nice run. No offense to Bubba, but we used to discuss what heard, about new releases. For the most part I'm sure we find out stuff faster today.

Going out on limb here, Brett... probably gonna get banned for this...:eek:
But I figure the NVD oe whatever it's called in called will be Pearl and have some polish on it. If they get crazy they shift the weight block again. (Not that I really know anything, about the ball. But I'd like my odds in Vegas.)

Not a damn thing. Your opinion is your opinion and you have every right to express it.

Too bad you can't, or won't, extend the same courtesy to others.

We've stop you from posting your sole opinion. If you say so. Just because he he does not care what you posted means you have to stop. Nothing has yet, as far as I can tell. Other than off the boards say like Bubba, Jeff or Brian, but most of us would not know anything about that.

[Rowdy]

What the heck is going on now?

I have no idea. The preceeding post leaves me totally confused as to it's meaning.

[JaraTo]

I have no idea. The preceeding post leaves me totally confused as to it's meaning.

I second that...

[Rowdy]

First off,y'all were told when I started this stuff that it was an op/ed piece. That stands for OPinion and/or EDitorial. Get it??? MY opinion and/or MY view and/or stand on a particular subject. You want to express YOUR opinions and/or views,go write your own column. It's a free forum,have at it.

Now,on to the matter of new release balls. Go back and look and you'll see that back on April 23rd I wrote a piece about Hammer keeping us in the dark about a lack of news on new balls.

Many of you that are complaining now about me bitching were on board with the idea back then. Go look on the main page and check who the original authors were of THOSE threads. Wasn't me.

Seems kinda funny to me that it took almost a month for someone to get back to us about those new balls. If we hadn't complained would we have found out in time for Christmas???

The Japanese have a saying,"The nail that sticks up the highest gets hammered down first." How very true. I expressed an opinion and you guys hammered me for it. So be it. I'm a big boy and I can take it. Besides,I've been divorced twice and there's nothing that any of you could say or call me,(and you have),that two ex-wives haven't already tried to,and in much more colorful language.

We Americans also have a saying that I am particularly fond of,"If you're not the lead dog,the view never changes." I've always liked to be out there,trying new things,forming new opinions and yes,maybe stepping on some toes in doing it.

Tough cookies. I call 'em like I see 'em. I still belive that everyone deserves a fair shake. I can't stand to see anyone wronged,and if I think someone is getting a raw deal I'll speak up about it. I thought we were getting the smelly end of the stick handed to us over the ball releases and spoke up on the subject.

And lo and behold,lookie what happened.

But I'm still buying a LevRG.:)

And changing my sig line. Like it???

[TenPinSniper]

Basically, what the part after Can-Ham Quoted Post was saying... this place would get along fine with or without any of us, even you Rowdy.

Between his post and your quote below... (Or was this taken out of context?)

Wanna ban me? Go for it,you need me worse than I need y'all.

When I quoted Street Racer, it was some reminsing of the old days... since you have read everything ever posted here you know what I'm talking about. We used to basically be unmoderated here... which had it's advantages. At times, not that I want to go back there. We have less spam and even thought stuff get out of hand here from time to time, we have progressed as a forum.

The NVD was sarcasm. :eek:

Last part is saying I think for the most part we can out about new releases faster today than in the past, generally.

Brian never posted, if he did he did not let us know it was him. That's fine, he did a good job. Do not have any ill will towards him, he was great. We had a good run, while he was brand manager. Personally, I think Jeff has done a fine job at this point. Have not noticed a big difference between Jeff or Brian at this point.

Any more questions, I'll do my best make myself clear.

[Street Racer]

First off,y'all were told when I started this stuff that it was an op/ed piece. That stands for OPinion and/or EDitorial. Get it??? MY opinion and/or MY view and/or stand on a particular subject. You want to express YOUR opinions and/or views,go write your own column. It's a free forum,have at it.

Now,on to the matter of new release balls. Go back and look and you'll see that back on April 23rd I wrote a piece about Hammer keeping us in the dark about a lack of news on new balls.

Many of you that are complaining now about me bitching were on board with the idea back then. Go look on the main page and check who the original authors were of THOSE threads. Wasn't me.

Seems kinda funny to me that it took almost a month for someone to get back to us about those new balls. If we hadn't complained would we have found out in time for Christmas???

The Japanese have a saying,"The nail that sticks up the highest gets hammered down first." How very true. I expressed an opinion and you guys hammered me for it. So be it. I'm a big boy and I can take it. Besides,I've been divorced twice and there's nothing that any of you could say or call me,(and you have),that two ex-wives haven't already tried to,and in much more colorful language.

We Americans also have a saying that I am particularly fond of,"If you're not the lead dog,the view never changes." I've always liked to be out there,trying new things,forming new opinions and yes,maybe stepping on some toes in doing it.

Tough cookies. I call 'em like I see 'em. I still belive that everyone deserves a fair shake. I can't stand to see anyone wronged,and if I think someone is getting a raw deal I'll speak up about it. I thought we were getting the smelly end of the stick handed to us over the ball releases and spoke up on the subject.

And lo and behold,lookie what happened.

But I'm still buying a LevRG.:)

And changing my sig line. Like it???


thing what got to me was the letter you wrote on here... it was soo uncalled for... why i posted..

[can-ham]

Rowdy already cleared up the quote, it was meant as hammer needs Rowdy's money more than Rowdy needs to roll hammers. I think things have been pretty good lately, but there is always something to get bent about.

I have stated that Hammer letting Buddies post their ball information first is a sad state of affairs for the bowling industry. I have always looked at buddies site before the hammer website at new release time. I think this gives an on-line shop a huge edge over the local pro shops. But at times buddies will get it wrong, remember the Hammer Unfair listed as coming soon on buddies but then it never showed or actually it did as a new ebonite game breaker.

When you get a bunch of people together that are passionate about bowling and want to stay on top of the "cutting edge" equipment. Then it's a compliment to hammer that any of us (Rowdy leading the charge) care enough to make a stink about getting the information. At least Ebonite has so information about a new ball or two on their website. Maybe hammer is just using the forums as a marketing tool...


And Rowdy, as I mentioned I'm a big fan these days, but the get off my thread and start your own is crap! Most other shizzle disturbers have been banned instead of being given a "special" place. Last time I checked this was a public forum...

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/105000/105195QwYU_w.jpg

One last question why are you getting a previously released MoRich Ball? (My buddie has it and it is a great ball btw) Is it because Hammer didn't tell you about it's new balls soon enough? Why don't you get the new MoRich that's coming out before the start of next season? Oh wait it's not even known yet (that would be the next ball after the solid LevRg)...

[Rowdy]

I've always wanted a LevRG and now I've got plenty of cash to buy one....or a truckload of 'em if I want to. If MoRich comes out with something else,I'll look at that ball too.

[BubbaRay]

[QUOTE=can-ham;69787] Most other shizzle disturbers have been banned instead of being given a "special" place. Last time I checked this was a public forum...[QUOTE]

I'm lost because everyone is mewntioning people are getting banned. I have banned two people . I am confused. :confused:

[can-ham]

I'm lost because everyone is mewntioning people are getting banned. I have banned two people . I am confused. :confused:Well before you where moderator Bubba, there would be a cycle of people (usually one at a time, ex pinchrusher) that would appear on the forum, blow up on every body then get banned...

[BubbaRay]

OK . But did he deserve it after blowing up on everyone? If someone comes on here and starts calling someone names, degrading them and so forth, isn't it proper that he get banned? According to the Terms of use it could be a cause for banning. Also itg doesn't make for a well run forum.

[can-ham]

OK . But did he deserve it after blowing up on everyone? If someone comes on here and starts calling someone names, degrading them and so forth, isn't it proper that he get banned? According to the Terms of use it could be a cause for banning. Also itg doesn't make for a well run forum.

Yes you are correct, and the forum is running way smoother these days :)

[BubbaRay]

Thank you can-ham

[Rowdy]

Well before you where moderator Bubba, there would be a cycle of people (usually one at a time, ex pinchrusher) that would appear on the forum, blow up on every body then get banned...

Or as I refer to them,"The Wild West Days".

[sawmaster]

Interesting problem. Sore head loser crybabies. When they are oppenents,striking a lot and really rubbing it in is good for the soul,but bad for your rep. A fist pump is fine and a special something when you close out the 10th is okay. As long as they were being a sore loser first. The swearing out loud part while whiffing a spare ball is just not right. On so many levels. One,it just looks bad. Two,that and all the snide remarks are in fact a violation of Rule 17b,1. That's verbal abuse in anyone's league. You could try and say something off to the side about it,but usually that only fans the flames. I've found it's better to MAKE the league officers earn their keep for the night. Make it THEIR problem. Inform them of whats going on and that you INSIST (Use that word) that they take immediate action. If you don't insist,they'll claim that you weren't serious about your complaint. Follow up with them later on.

This is also when having a very dry sense of humor can help. Next time the loser bitches about carry just look over and tell him that when you rolled at HIS house,you had no problem shooting...whatever. Make up three or four really good scores. Something higher than he shoots there. Yes,it's a fib. But boy howdy,will he blow a gasket. Think he's gonna score after that? Nope. Hey,he brought it up first,all's fair in love and bowling.

Now,if it's a teammate thats being a poopyhead,(Thanks,Yota)you drag his sorry butt off to the side,to where no one else can hear you. Then you let him have it,right between the eyes. Tell him flat out,you don't want to give the other team anything to get riled up about and start trying to really kick your asses because of his motor mouth. I belive the phrase is:"Shut Up and Bowl".

I can sympathize with your "whopping 83" in the 6th. I've been there too. I feel your pain.

totally agree.
thats wat i tell my team wen im bowling with the younger humans on saterday..they wanna laff and make jokes..
and i tell em..shut up...bowl...if they wanna act like that..let em..dont bring urself to there level.

[TenPinSniper]

My deal was sarcasm, since I was talking about the NVD, before much if any information had been releases.

But any way Bubba, think we are glad to have you here.

[Rowdy]

I saw the most sickening thing at the lanes tonight. I sat and watched not only one bowler, but a whole TEAM tank a series tonight. Tanked. Thrown. Sandbagged. CHEATED. And they had the nerve to sit there and laugh about the whole thing.

Balls dumped in the channel. And I mean DUMPED, as in the ball goes in the ditch three freaking feet past the foul line!!! Single pin spares missed by a mile, and then the team high fives the guy for missing it!!!

I grabbed a spare standing sheet and quickly figured out what was going on. The league started two weeks ago and next week this team has to roll against the best team in the league. So put the scores in the Dumpster this week,jack up the handicaps and win big next week.

I sat and watched a woman with a 140 average roll a 87,91 and a smokin' 63!!! From the sixth frame on she threw nothing that hit a pin!!! And the other three members of this "team" were rolling scores just as bad.

Now I'm no rocket sceintist,so if I can figure this out someone else in this league should be able to also. The other team isn't saying anything,they're just happy to be winning. I look on the sheet for lane assignments and discover that the first place team is rolling way down at the other end of the house. They have no idea whats going on.

All the league officers are down that way too. Hmmm,what to do??? I strolled down to where the first place team was bowling and asked to talk with their captain. I introduced myself and showed him the standings sheet. I pointed out the team in question and asked if he'd be interested to know that every single member of that team was bowling at least 50 pins UNDER their average and tanking every game on purpose.

I explained what I had seen,as far as balls going in the ditch and the high fives for missed spares. He walked down and took a look for himself. Man,you could see the steam coming out of his ears on the way back. He grabbed the league prez and we went into the conference room to have a little chat.

I explained all over again what I had seen,and the way it looked to me. The league prez wasn't buying it until I mentioned the TEN gutterballs in a row that a 140 bowler threw. Then he saw the light. He went and had the front desk pull the line scores for those lanes and I showed him all the funny business that was going on. Then I showed him the standings sheet and explained what they were trying to do.

Needless to say,this pissed him off to no end. He grabbed the other league officers and they had a very short meeting. They all walked down to where the sandbaggers were just getting ready to put the finishing touches on their "masterpiece". I saw the league prez point at the line sheet,the standings sheet and then the score sheet for that night. Then he pointed at them and then the door. They got the boot!!!

I've never seen a team slink out the door like they did. Somehow the word got to everyone and they all stopped bowling to watch them leave. Boo's,hisses,"Cheater" and "Sandbaggers" followed them out. Plus some other comments I can't share here. Bubba would edit them out. Something about their Mother was the most popular one.

The league prez came back down and thanked me for clueing everyone in. The manager of the house told them not to come back for any of their other leagues later in the week. Banned for cheating,was how he put it. The house league secretary told me that she was personally going to call the USBC in the morning and get all four of them permanatly banned for cheating like that.

Man,the nerve of some people. Cheating like that,and for what??? That league doesn't have a payout at the end of the season. They give away trophies based on where the team places. So they went into the tank for a hunk of metal that's gonna just sit on a shelf somewhere??? I just don't understand it.

I got to practice for free after the league was done though. The manager said it was his way of thanking me. Cool.

[JaraTo]

You're my hero :p

[idlehourlegend]

Very nicely done Rowdy, good to see a bunch of cheaters getting what they deserved, the nerve of some people.

[Rowdy]

Thanks for the kind words guys. I just can't stand to see people pull stuff like that while everyone else is playing by the rules.

And now for an update:Talked on the phone with the local USBC rep and then later on with some of the big cheeses in Greendale. Three of them got banned for a year for going along with the scam and the one who thought it up was banned permanatly from ever holding a USBC card and/or rolling in anything that is USBC sponsored or certified. Wow.

[TenPinSniper]

That ought to teach them. What a disgrace.

[can-ham]

Nice "Boom out-a-here!"

[Curacao_Dejavu]

The other team isn't saying anything,they're just happy to be winning. .

What are your thoughts about the other team (the winning one !)

Leopold

[Rowdy]

What are your thoughts about the other team (the winning one !)

Leopold

They claim to have had no idea what was going on. They rolled slightly above their averages for the night,so what can you really say???

They're all relatively new bowlers,they couldn't tell the difference in all the high fiving that was going on. That's what first got me looking at those guys. High fives for blowing a spare??? Subdued fist banging for sure,but a high five??? I'd seen those guys roll before and I knew that THEY knew the difference.

So,no faulting the other team. They just thought that it was their night to shine. They rolled their best. Now,if it had been an expierenced team we would have had a problem. They should have been able to figure out what was going on and bring it to someones attention on the sly so the situation could be looked at by the league officers. To not say anything would have made an expierenced team just as guilty as the cheating team as far as I'm concerned.

[Rowdy]

Good luck Mr. Vice Pres.

It was a landslide victory,I had 'em all the way. Oh....wait. It was me and another guy both nominated for prez,so I just told him to take the job and I would be the Veep. 100% of the vote for that idea. I am sooooooo good at this stuff.:)

[Thepainscoming]

Rowdy, in youth leagues at least, we'll still high five if u miss a spare, and say something like, " u'll get it next time" or "its over u cant change it".

[Curacao_Dejavu]

I think you overlooked:

"Balls dumped in the channel. And I mean DUMPED, as in the ball goes in the ditch three freaking feet past the foul line :eek: !!! "

Leopold

[Curacao_Dejavu]

Why is it called "sandbagged" ?
Maybe I can imagine a word with a bag , but sand ??

Leopold

[Rowdy]

Rowdy, in youth leagues at least, we'll still high five if u miss a spare, and say something like, " u'll get it next time" or "its over u cant change it".

It's high fives for strikes and spares,fist bang for missing a spare.

[Rowdy]

Why is it called "sandbagged" ?
Maybe I can imagine a word with a bag , but sand ??

Leopold

The term "sandbagger" comes from holding back,like a sandbag holds back water.

[blistershurt]

Dude, Rowdy you had me scared there, explaining something that I didnt know with words that are rather large and sheepish. Normally you use less sheepish words, I dont think you like sheep. (dont ask, I'm in pain and really really tired and cant sleep)

[Rowdy]

I love sheep.:) If you move them up to the edge of a cliff they push back harder.:eek:

[blistershurt]

hahahah :D

Man, reading your stuff on the PBA confunsion (yes I just made confusion and fun into one word, confunsion) I wanna get on one, but around here they're hard to find and if you find em they're prolly full

[JaraTo]

I love sheep.:) If you move them up to the edge of a cliff they push back harder.:eek:


For the love of humanity... those types of relationships are illegal in these United States.... where's PETA?!?!:eek:

[slap]

For the love of humanity... those types of relationships are illegal in these United States.... where's PETA?!?!:eek:

tasty animals? where?

[Rowdy]

For the love of humanity... those types of relationships are illegal in these United States.... where's PETA?!?!:eek:

Only if the sheep in question is your first cousin. Otherwise it's not so BAA-AAA-AAD.;) ;)

[Rowdy]

I knew better,I really did. I just ran out of time and had to go with what I had.

I took some Scoth-Brite pads to my NMB and one of the BWSolids Wed afternoon. But I had a league Wed Night. Stoopid,VERY STOOPID!!! I had no idea what,if anything,would change in the movement of either ball. Ten whole practice shots later,I found out.

First game,175. Okay,not TOO bad,but I left a lot on the table in that game. Let's make a big move left and see what happens.

222. Well now,this is a whole bunch better. Thank God for that PBA League.

Last game,186. Yikes,it came back to bite me in the keister. I needed 4 strikes in a row at the end to finish in the money,but not having total confidence in those strike balls cost me. Two boards too far right and a 6,7,10 split ended the night.

I knew I should have worked on those balls on Tuesday and then gone and practiced. Live and learn.

[JaraTo]

Oiy! Can we get an update on the summer tour?

[Rowdy]

Waiting to settle something legal. Can't get away until then. Should know something in two weeks.

[Rowdy]

Oiy! Can we get an update on the summer tour?

Is this some kind of back handed begging for a Michigan Stop on the Tour???;)

Flat out bribery works much better,you know.:rolleyes:

[JaraTo]

Ya know, redwings won the cup... pistons ousted outta the playoffs... we need some entertainment beause the tigers ain't cuttin it right now.

[Rowdy]

Ya know, redwings won the cup... pistons ousted outta the playoffs... we need some entertainment beause the tigers ain't cuttin it right now.

This ain't helping your case any.......

[Rowdy]

First some good news....Settled the legal crap. Bought Tink a shiny fire engine red Mustang convertible. Whoo boy,does she look sharp in that thing!!!


Good news for me....bad news for other bowlers....Ordered the LevRG and a spare ball,will get the BW Venom when it comes out next month. Y'all have been warned,I'll be out for blood with those balls.

More good news for me,bad news for the rest of you.....I was standing around the dealership while Tink was looking at her car. I SWEAR I wasn't looking for anything. As a rule,I don't even LIKE Fords. But this brand spanking new Mustang was calling to me. The more I kept looking at it,the more it was growing on me. Well hell,Chevy won't have the Camaro out until next year,if that,the damn thing is ugly anywho,the Suburban only gets 12 miles to the gallon,I missed out on the Mustang the first go 'round,I haven't had a new car since 1984 and you only turn 50 once. So I bought it. Unfortunatly,the money I spent on the car was the cash for the Summer Tour. So,no Summer Tour. Sorry,but I REALLY like this car.

[TenPinSniper]

Two Mustangs?

[BubbaRay]

You should have bought a Viper Rowdy. :(

[idlehourlegend]

You should have bought a Viper Rowdy. :(

I agree with that.

Or he should have got a big hammer logo on the side of the mustang like Billy Oatman's van. Just watch someone doesnt smash the window out.:D

[JaraTo]

Saw Fagan was wearing the Hammer Logo during the telecast Sunday. Is he part of the staff?

[Rowdy]

Two Mustangs?

You bet. His and hers. You really don't think I'd let her drive MY car,do you??? Oops,back to the couch again tonight.:eek:

[TenPinSniper]

Which models... Conv, GT, 4 Banger, Saleen, Roush, etc...

Can't imagine that you did not get a V-8 or some sort of souped up version.

Is the Suburban gone?

Oh yeah... did one of you get a Pearl version. :D Paint of Course!

Thought the new Camero's looked okay.

[Rowdy]

Which models... Conv, GT, 4 Banger, Saleen, Roush, etc...

Can't imagine that you did not get a V-8 or some sort of souped up version.

Is the Suburban gone?

Oh yeah... did one of you get a Pearl version. :D Paint of Course!

Thought the new Camero's looked okay.

Traded the Suburban in. Tink got the covertible and mine is a coupe that has the Pony package. Both have V-6's in them. Stop groaning,this car is stout! Already dusted off a couple of high school kids in their Camaros.:) Had mine up to 105mph,I gave up before the car did,there was still more left in it. Mine's white with a black rocker stripe,Tink's is red with a black stripe.

As far as the new Camaro,the car looks fine until you get to the double bubble roof and the back end of the thing. They're trying too hard to make it look like a cut-rate Corvette.

[TenPinSniper]

Traded the Suburban in. Tink got the covertible and mine is a coupe that has the Pony package. Both have V-6's in them. Stop groaning,this car is stout! Already dusted off a couple of high school kids in their Camaros.:) Had mine up to 105mph,I gave up before the car did,there was still more left in it. Mine's white with a black rocker stripe,Tink's is red with a black stripe.

As far as the new Camaro,the car looks fine until you get to the double bubble roof and the back end of the thing. They're trying too hard to make it look like a cut-rate Corvette.

Well The Camero and Mustang (And Others too) are the family version of a Sports Car. Cause in my opinion True Sports Cars are only seat two. Unless I've forgot something, or have not seen something I'd consider a Sports Car. I know if the Viper or Vette had back seat I wouldn't want to ride in the back seat.

Can't believe you gave up the Summer Tour, even though the call of the new Car is hard to resist. Wait thought, with the new car you save on gas!!! Road Trip! :D

[Rowdy]

I don't even know why Ford bothered to put a backseat in the Mustang. It's worthless,unless you're putting a baby seat back there. They should have done it up like the old AMX and just left the backseat out of the car.

[Rowdy]

I'm going to Disney World!!! Tinkerbell and I are finally going on our long awaited honeymoon. It's ONLY 19 years late,but what the hey. I'll be gone from the 9th to the 15th. Y'all play nice and no,I won't bring you back a crappy T-Shirt. Or mouse ears.

[blistershurt]

Mustangs are nice. The backseat is to hold more bowling balls Rowdy :D

Have fun in Disney World, I didnt like it when I went (3rd grade lol).

[BubbaRay]

Have fun at Disney Rowdy and Tink.

[Rowdy]

Mustangs are nice. The backseat is to hold more bowling balls Rowdy :D

Have fun in Disney World, I didnt like it when I went (3rd grade lol).

The Mustang is VERY nice. It's like owning your own personal roller coaster.

I figured it up the other day. I've spent over two years of my life in Disney World. Time to start working on that third year!

[TenPinSniper]

Have fun Rowdy!

[Rowdy]

Okay boys and girls,I've just opened my umpteeth thousandth,(that there means "a shi... load) PM or email about the bowling swing. With no video. Sigh. I'm not the Amazing Kreskin here,I can't fix it if I can't see it,okay? So Professor Rowdy will GIVE,as in free,my thoughts on a bowling swing. Remember,you get what you pay for,and since you got this for nothing don't bitch.

This is a basic swing. It will score in the 200's with ease. This swing has thrown 300 games,so there.:p It has very few moving parts,so it's easily repeatable and really easy to find a flaw in should you get off track. Usually the second you let go of the ball you'll KNOW if something wasn't right in the swing. Very easy to fix for the next swing.

Strike and spare balls are thrown from the same swing,no wrist changes,flattened hands,nothing. Just use the same swing,over and over,all night long.

All of this will be from the right handers point. I'm right handed,so get over it. Just turn it around if you're a lefty.

This is for the SWING only!!! Ball reaction is another matter entirely. I'm just getting all of us to the part before the rubber meets the road.

Here we go:

Grab the ball of your choice for a strike shot. Take the grip of your choice,I don't care right now which it is,any will do. You'll change it later anyway.

Now,carefully place your RIGHT foot on the approach where you want to start from. Do this every time. Look down and make sure that the right foot is EXACTLY where you want it. Move it if you're not satisfied. Every house needs a strong foundation and this is the start of yours.

Happy with where your right foot is? Great. Now place your left foot where ever it needs to be. Ideally I would love to see it along side your right foot,just a half a foot ahead of the right foot. With 75% of your weight on your right foot,25% on the left foot. Don't start writing me yet,there's a REASON for this. There's a reason for everything I do in a swing. Be patient Grasshopper,all will be made clear.

Now,place the ball in the starting position. That's it??? That's where you start the swing from??? Yeesh. Remember that part about the foundation??? The word you want to think about here is BALANCE. No leaning,tilting,slanting,bending,sloping...you get the point. We want to stay in balance.

Find the middle of your forearm. Between your elbow and wrist. On your BOWLING arm. Jeez. This is the place you want at your hip joint. The joint,not the front or back. With the forearm paralel or slightly angling down to the front. Slightly being the key word here.

Okay,your standing with your left foot slightly ahead of your right foot,weight 75/25 right foot to left foot,forearm paralel to the floor and your ready to go. Really? Look at that thing at the end of your arm. Not the ball,your HAND. Where is it pointed???

Striaght ahead??? Oohhhh,bad,bad,bad. Keeping the wrist flat,cock it all the way over to the left. Don't cup it. The ball shouldn't move back towards you at all. Just cock the wrist to the left and KEEP IT THERE UNTIL RELEASE!!! This part does take practice. It took me all of two games to get used to it.

Pinky finger:Tuck it or don't,it's up to you. I'd learn to throw the ball both ways and see what the difference means for you. But keep the pinky in against the ring finger either way.

Index finger: I love this one. What does everyone do with their index finger? Use it to aim. Like as in shooting a gun at something. The index finger is perfect for aiming a swing and also as a checkpoint at the bottom of the swing,going both ways. Spread that baby as far out as you can.

Now,we're standing there with our feet right,wrist cocked to the left and our index finger pointing straight ahead. Now you see why we did that. It points the way we want to go. Ding! On goes the lightbulb!

Footwork:3,4 or 5 steps,it doesn't matter. How many you use is up to you. I use five,for the timing.

But the important part is that you start SLOWLY. You don't see an 18 wheeler going 75 miles per hour right out of the parking space,do you? We need to build momentum.

SLIDE your lead foot on the first step. Don't lift it off the floor. Two reasons for this one: First it keeps you from jerking to a start and throwing your timing off and B,should you have picked something up on your slide shoe you'll feel it and can stop the swing and clean off the shoe. You're welcome.

Now gently push the ball out until your arm is straight. Point that index finger at the spot on the lane where you want the ball to first touch it. You're AIMING,remember??? By the time your index finger is pointing straight down beside your right foot your arm BETTER be straight. Or you are dead!

Notice the index finger was pointing straight down,like you're pointing at the floor. That's the first checkpoint for the swing. Your wrist is still cocked to the left. Good job. Hold that hand position. This also means that your swing is right under your shoulder joint. The swing HAS TO go under the shoulder joint if you want any kind of revs or leverage on the shot you will throw. If the index finger is pointing to the outside of the shoulder joint you're leaking power. Not to mention you'll have to make a correction to get the shot on line somewhere in the downswing. Bad,very bad.

So far so good. We're at the top of the backswing and the index finger is pointing straight backwards. Second checkpoint. If the index finger is pointing anywhere else there's still time to put on the brakes and start over. Once you start the downswing it's too late to stop. Yes,you could stop,but you run the risk of hurting something. Pulling muscles,popping a thumb,something will go wrong. Best to just let it fly and take your medicine.

Okay,the ball is coming down,the index finger is going to point at the floor right beside us,the swing is going right under the shoulder joint,arm straight,all looks good. So far.

Just as the ball reaches the lowest part of the swing,your right leg and foot should be out to the left for balance. There's that balance thing again. If you can't stay in the release position untill the ball falls in the pit, YOU DO NOT HAVE BALANCE AT THE LINE!!!

Nothing will get under an opponents skin faster than to hold the finish position and let your arm,"free swing".back and forth as the ball goes down the lane. You might as well turn around and go,"Nah,nah. I can roll better than you can!" Besides,it's a ton of fun to do.

Okay,back to the swing. The right leg is out to the left,the right foot is DOWN on the floor,the index finger is pointing straight down,the swing is under the shoulder joint and we're ready to spin the core. Notice I didn't say,BALL. Notice I didn't say,"Throw the ball". The only thing I'm trying to do is spin the core,which will make the ball move the way I want it to.

Here's where cocking that wrist to the left comes into play. Now you get to UN-cock it. Snap the wrist,hand and fingers as hard and fast as you can around to the right. You can stop rotating when it looks like your going to shake hands with the pins. Remember that index finger? It should be pointing at the spot on the lane you wanted to throw the ball over just after you let the ball go. That's the final check of the swing.

If you want to see what it should look like just before release,bend the left leg,stick the right leg out to the left behind you with the foot on the floor and let your arm hang straight down. Sorry,with no ball in your hand. The palm of your hand should be facing the foul line. Now cock your wrist to the left all the way and point that index finger at the floor. The back of your hand should be flat,not cupped towards the foul line or bent backwards. Now pretend there is a ball in your hand and hold it. This is as good as it gets.

Despite all the long winded crap here,this is really an easy swing to groove. The index finger provides so many checkpoints it's hard to get off track and not know it as soon as it happens. Point it straight ahead,at your mark,straight down,straight behind you,straight down again and finally,straight at the mark after release. I even take it a step further and use the thumb and index finger together and point it like a gun. The ball goes where it's aimed,that simple.

This swing is very easy on the joints too. It will take your wrist a couple of games to get used to being cocked to the left,but that's about it. Since there's no cupping of the wrist,there's no pain there. The arm is straight,so no elbow pain. The ball comes off your hand without thinking about it,so bye-bye finger pain. Since it's a free swing directly under the shoulder,no pain there,either.

I've even been able to REDUCE the amount of hand pressure I need to hold onto the ball by about half. HALF!!! And the thing just fly's off my hand with all the revs it needs.:) Always a good thing. The backend reaction of the ball is what it's supposed to be,since this swing keeps you behind the ball at release. No more slamming the ball into the approach next to your foot. Just a nice smooth roll,every time.

That's it,that's the whole swing. Have fun with it,roll high scores with it and enjoy it.

Just remember how much you paid for it.:eek:

[can-ham]

Hey Rowdy great post!

I've stumbled on to this swing between my quest for a free arm swing and reading the string finger position article. Your description is very good and I'll try to emulate it next time I go practice (which won't be for a while as I'm currently out with a foot injury)

[Rowdy]

Hey Rowdy great post!

I've stumbled on to this swing between my quest for a free arm swing and reading the string finger position article. Your description is very good and I'll try to emulate it next time I go practice (which won't be for a while as I'm currently out with a foot injury)

How is the foot,(and you),doing??? Hope all is going well and you're getting better.

Thanks for the kind words.:)

[can-ham]

How is the foot,(and you),doing??? Hope all is going well and you're getting better.

Thanks for the kind words.:)

It's getting better thanks for asking. Just an odd old injury that creeps up now and then usually it goes away in a day, but this has been a week. It's on my sliding foot so no bowling! I'm frustrated as I'm working with my driller on a new fit, as well as trying to get this free swing going. Once we get the grip down then, we'll be drilling up an 'NSane how do you like yours?

Just hope to have the grip sorted before league starts, I want to bowl strong all season this year.

[Rowdy]

It's getting better thanks for asking. Just an odd old injury that creeps up now and then usually it goes away in a day, but this has been a week. It's on my sliding foot so no bowling! I'm frustrated as I'm working with my driller on a new fit, as well as trying to get this free swing going. Once we get the grip down then, we'll be drilling up an 'NSane how do you like yours?

Just hope to have the grip sorted before league starts, I want to bowl strong all season this year.

I know what you mean about those old injuries sneaking back up on you. I broke my left wrist 35 years ago and now that I own the Mustang with the A/C vent blowing on the wrist combined with the steering that takes more effort and the thing is killing me. Hasn't hurt in all this time,exept right before it rains,now this.:eek:

The N'sane is awesome!:) Man,I love this ball. I can't belive that any ball at 4000 OOB will hook this much! I've been thinking about taking the cover down to 2000,but that would mean rolling an entirely different line on an entirely different part of the lane. I think I'll wait and see how the ball does when the weather cools off at the start of the new season. I've got to get a video up that shows the drill I put in the ball along with the backend reaction of it. The N'saneLevRg and the new and improved BWS!!!

[Rowdy]

Howdy Kevin,
I'm sure if you don't read this yourself,someone slacking off at the USBC and spending our dues money surfing the web will get it to you.
Let's just cut to the chase:Time for you to go bye-bye,Kevin. I just don't see your heart in the USBC anymore. So leave. Go. Now. Before the damage becomes permanent.
The remarks you made about bowling and the Olympics show me that you've reached the end of your rope and have let go of the line. Jeez,canoeing and white water rafting are in the Olympics for crying out loud. CANOEING??? This is an Olympic sport??? And bowling isn't??? How is this possible???
BECAUSE THE USBC DOESN'T WANT IT TO BE!!!!! That would mean sharing your pie with someone else,wouldn't it??? What,the PBA taking too much with thier league???
Last I looked,bowling is THE largest dues paying sport going. Who pays to row a damn canoe??? No one,that's who. We,league bowlers,must be a very insane lot. We GIVE you our money to LET us bowl.
And what have you done with OUR MONEY??? Not much,as far as the average league bowler is concerned. Have a problem during your league and need guidance from the USBC? They're not there!!! You would think that an organization whose members practice thier sport after the sun sets would think to have someone around to answer the damn phone when the members need them the most. Nope,not you guys. Voicemail Hell is all we get.
You would also think that fiscal responsibility would be somewhere at the top of your list of things to keep an eye on. News Flash:The economy sucks right now,in case that bit of news hasn't penetrated your expense account yet. I know we're footing the bills you run up,but could you please just LOOK at the amount of the bill once and awhile???
So now that you know the economy is bad,(I just told you,remember? Take my word for it this once.),does it make any economic sense whatsoever to dump land and buildings that we,The USBC members,own free and clear???
No??? Then why the move to Texas??? We'll get mortages out the whazoo,higher personnel costs,increased turnover of said employees and most likely dues raises every year for the foreseeable future. Got news for you Kevin,when dues blow past 20 bucks a league with no discount for rolling in multiple leagues,membership in the USBC WILL nosedive.
It's called VALUE. You have to get something for your money or you won't spend your money on it any longer. Oh wait,you spend OUR money,don't you???
League bowlers are starting to notice in case you haven't Kevin. We are starting to wonder just what the hell we NEED a USBC for. Need. The house puts down whatever oil it see's fit. The ball companies will make whatever WE want and will buy. The ball doesn't have to say "USBC" on the bottom of it if you're only going to roll the ball in un-sanctioned leagues,does it???
See??? We no longer need you and/or the USBC anymore,Kevin. We can roll seven days a week and NEVER have a need for a USBC card. Tournaments??? No problem. There's plenty of those that don't want you guys around either. All you do is get in the way and suck money out of the prize fund. Not cool.
You know what? Now would be the perfect time for another bowling organization. Nothing like competition to lower prices and make customer service better.
How do you think the USBC would fare??? "Out of Business",comes to mind.
Leave Kevin. Do the sport a favor.
Just do it.
Please.
Now.

[TenPinSniper]

(Looks both ways.)

http://uscanoe.com/

What, hun, I gotta... later.

[steelr43]

Rowdy, that letter was great. you don't mix words and are to the point. very nice. Gettin' to be my fave part of running the league, collecting USBC dues? They (the bowlers) say "why do i have to pay, for what, they don't do anything for for us". And you know... they are right. But we keep it sanctioned anyway. just in case someone has a good night and is rightfully awarded. Maybe I should send him a letter titled "can you lose the patches, this isn't junior league"

[idlehourlegend]

Nice letter Rowdy, straight and to the point as usual, and its all very true, just wait until they do away with the 300 rings and stuff then see how it all goes flying downhill, thats the whole reason 99% of people have a card, for tournaments, heck I would much rather go in with a 210 average than what Im going in with now.