need a ball for heavy oil lanes

[aaron42385]

i throw 16-18 MPH with tons of revs. i use my toxic and cv right now. toxic is great for me on med oil and the cv is great for med and light oil for me. on heavy oil i can get and hook on my toxic and find myself haveing to play a straight line almost which im not very accurate at. i was thinking of a bite, but there were posts of hammer comming out with new balls soon. i qoute from a thread-

"Our Next US Release are slated for this Summer... there should be 4 of them... from what I understand. (This is not really any insider information.)

So new Vibe, Raw Hammer, Widow and No Mercy. This past year cycle since it complete now, provide 6 US releases.

BWP, CV, Anger, NMB, BWC and BWB. Unless they do something different I'd expect more of the same. (Just being which line get the second release being the biggest question.) Probably a Black Widow, if it keeps sellling so good. The interesting thing what the Cell has done for Roto Grip and the Twisted Fury... both have generated some good sells and buzz from what I can tell." are they really comming out with new balls? if so im gonna wait, but if not would the bite be a good ball or maybe a beat'n? thx:confused:

[No Mercy07]

Just wait...

No sense in getting a heavy oil ball now, when there is prolly 2 more coming out soon...

Just hold off a little while..

[BubbaRay]

I haven't heard of any new releases coming in the next few months. When there is you can be assured the news about it will be released here first. Just keep checking the NEWS section of the Hammer web site.

[mongoliantreesloth]

Which weight ball do you throw? There's a 16lb Real Deal on ebay somewhere at the moment.

[Young300]

Go with the Hammer Raw Anger. That ball is a beast on heavier conditions.

[No Mercy07]

Go with the Hammer Raw Anger. That ball is a beast on heavier conditions.

Not with his speed...

Believe me I throw that fast, and its prolly my 3rd or 4th ball out of my bag.

My second worst investment in bowling, only ahead of my Track Xception

[slap]

Not with his speed...

Believe me I throw that fast, and its prolly my 3rd or 4th ball out of my bag.

My second worst investment in bowling, only ahead of my Track Xception

:confused:

higher ball speeds generally require more surface and/or earlier rollling layouts.

[Young300]

Not with his speed...

Believe me I throw that fast, and its prolly my 3rd or 4th ball out of my bag.

My second worst investment in bowling, only ahead of my Track Xception

Not to mention he said that he has tons of revs... If he is a high speed - high rev player then there shouldn't be a problem with getting an Anger.

[idlehourlegend]

Not to mention he said that he has tons of revs... If he is a high speed - high rev player then there shouldn't be a problem with getting an Anger.

I dont know, I noticed when I had my anger and it was drilled strong, to get it to make a good turn on Med-Heavy oil shot I had to slow my speed down (Im a high speed high rev player), so I dont know if this would be the best option, I dont like recommending anything but Hammer, But the Cell might be your best bet.

[aaron42385]

yea the anger isnt much stronger than toxic. so i probably wont work for me i dont beleive. thanks for the info guys, i will most likely wait for awhile to see if hammer comes out with any new releases this summer

[Thepainscoming]

I say get one now because ur gonna suffer on those conditions until then when you could've dominated on them. I say go with something like a cell or a NMB. That should be good for you. The cell is earlier and more rolly than the nmb. If you want a ball that you can move deep inside for, i wouldn't go with the cell then because it doesn't carry too well from inside.

[columbia300]

wow hey dont listen to pain if the cell is drilled right and throw right it carries from anywhere better than....o here we go again....carries from anywhere better than any hammer ball i have throw....go wit the cell....(lets see wat gets riled up with this one....any cry babys gonna start in on me again)

[Rowdy]

I say get one now because ur gonna suffer on those conditions until then when you could've dominated on them. I say go with something like a cell or a NMB. That should be good for you. The cell is earlier and more rolly than the nmb. If you want a ball that you can move deep inside for, i wouldn't go with the cell then because it doesn't carry too well from inside.

Pain,how many of them Cell's do you OWN?

[TenPinSniper]

Thats was my post:
http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?p=62257#post62257
This information is my opinon... with some information from Brian Graham, before he left.

The question would be how soon do you need a bowling ball for Heavier Oil? If this Summer will be soon enough... the choices should be good.
Should leave you with several choices in the Hammer Line:
Anger
BWB
NM
NMB
Plus new releases. (Unless something changes.) Like said above...adding surface will help.
From my past experience Mid to Late Summer always has a good amount of new releases for Fall.

I've heard that the Toxic is gone... So I'd expect a Pearl cover for that line.

Know several people here would like to see a Pearlized No Mercy, that could be interesting... maybe it Solid Mid-Cycle too. :D

Something I'd like to see is something with the Classic Hammer Core. Maybe even Pearlized...skid-flippy.

[Thepainscoming]

wow hey dont listen to pain if the cell is drilled right and throw right it carries from anywhere better than....o here we go again....carries from anywhere better than any hammer ball i have throw....go wit the cell....(lets see wat gets riled up with this one....any cry babys gonna start in on me again) You've seriously got to be kidding me. Yes im sure it does carry from anywhere if its drilled the right way. Any ball will i guess with the right surface prep and drilling. But im saying, if you drill the ball to be rolly, i have a feeling because the cell is more rolly than the nmb the nmb would be better when you are playing 5-7th arrow if you need to.

Pain,how many of them Cell's do you OWN? I have none, but i know the equipment and how it reacts from all the reviews and watching one being rolled by a very good youth bowler.

[Rowdy]

You've seriously got to be kidding me. Yes im sure it does carry from anywhere if its drilled the right way. Any ball will i guess with the right surface prep and drilling. But im saying, if you drill the ball to be rolly, i have a feeling because the cell is more rolly than the nmb the nmb would be better when you are playing 5-7th arrow if you need to.

I have none, but i know the equipment and how it reacts from all the reviews and watching one being rolled by a very good youth bowler.

NONE?!?! You don't own or have never rolled the ball you've been recommending someone buy with their hard earned money??? Doesn't that strike you as just a tad irresponsible??? Until you roll the ball yourself,you don't know squadoosh about it. BTW-How do you drill a ball to be "rolly",and exactly what the hell IS "rolly",anyway? And why are you comparing two balls that you don't own? Wait,let me guess. You read more reviews and watched someone roll a No Mercy Beat'n with a bad drill job. I own a No Mercy Beat'n,and I'll put mine up against any ball out there.

I understand that you want to roll with the big dogs,but people that are new to this forum have no idea that the guy who just told them to buy a particular ball is one,16-17 years old,and two,has NEVER rolled the ball in question. How about you go and get some real life expierence on the lanes and then give advice on topics that you have some first hand knowledge of to avoid confusion and hard feelings later.

[No Mercy07]

I dont know, I noticed when I had my anger and it was drilled strong, to get it to make a good turn on Med-Heavy oil shot I had to slow my speed down (Im a high speed high rev player), so I dont know if this would be the best option, I dont like recommending anything but Hammer, But the Cell might be your best bet.

Yeah Mine is drilled strong also...

It shows its "mid-performance"

[hbhammerhead]

NONE?!?! You don't own or have never rolled the ball you've been recommending someone buy with their hard earned money??? Doesn't that strike you as just a tad irresponsible??? Until you roll the ball yourself,you don't know squadoosh about it. BTW-How do you drill a ball to be "rolly",and exactly what the hell IS "rolly",anyway? And why are you comparing two balls that you don't own? Wait,let me guess. You read more reviews and watched someone roll a No Mercy Beat'n with a bad drill job. I own a No Mercy Beat'n,and I'll put mine up against any ball out there.

I understand that you want to roll with the big dogs,but people that are new to this forum have no idea that the guy who just told them to buy a particular ball is one,16-17 years old,and two,has NEVER rolled the ball in question. How about you go and get some real life expierence on the lanes and then give advice on topics that you have some first hand knowledge of to avoid confusion and hard feelings later.

ouch! that was harsh...:eek:

anyways...i OWN & ROLL a no mercy beat n' have it drilled with the strongest layout and it is a great ball in oil. throw it down the lane and it will make a hard left into the pocket. it's an awesome ball. :)

[Thepainscoming]

HOLY JESUS CHRIST ROWDY, did i ever say the NMB was a bad ball, no i didn't so ur wrong there. Rolly means that its an early rolling ball and is just a huge arc, the cell is earlier than the nmb. Why do half the people recommend balls if they never threw it. Its not irresponsible because their both for heavy oil. The cell is earlier than the NMB. I just said the NMB would probably be better than the cell when you try and get far inside. NOW GET OFF MY BACK.

[Rowdy]

HOLY JESUS CHRIST ROWDY, did i ever say the NMB was a bad ball, no i didn't so ur wrong there. Rolly means that its an early rolling ball and is just a huge arc, the cell is earlier than the nmb. Why do half the people recommend balls if they never threw it. Its not irresponsible because their both for heavy oil. The cell is earlier than the NMB. I just said the NMB would probably be better than the cell when you try and get far inside. NOW GET OFF MY BACK.

Amazing. I finally get through to you and your spelling and punctuation mostly improve. 70% of your post didn't look like a text message between high school dropouts.

"Why do half the people recommend balls if they never threw it?" Those are the people who should never be listened to. I've never told anyone to buy any ball that I haven't personally thrown. You should try to do the same.

[Thepainscoming]

Amazing. I finally get through to you and your spelling and punctuation mostly improve. 70% of your post didn't look like a text message between high school dropouts.

"Why do half the people recommend balls if they never threw it?" Those are the people who should never be listened to. I've never told anyone to buy any ball that I haven't personally thrown. You should try to do the same.
Ok first of all, im definetly not a high school drop out. I have a 4.0 GPA in honors classes so im the complete oppisite. So i guess i should never recommend a ball then because i don't have the money to buy 9 balls. I've only own 4 and their not very popular. I've thrown a lot more and the only reason why i couldn't throw the cell was because the owner was in a tourny, next time i bowl with him during practice i'll ask to throw it.

[Rowdy]

Ok first of all, im definetly not a high school drop out. I have a 4.0 GPA in honors classes so im the complete oppisite. So i guess i should never recommend a ball then because i don't have the money to buy 9 balls. I've only own 4 and their not very popular. I've thrown a lot more and the only reason why i couldn't throw the cell was because the owner was in a tourny, next time i bowl with him during practice i'll ask to throw it.

Do that. Then tell us what kind of ball it is. On those lanes. Compare it to whatever else you're throwing right then.

[Hammerhead2]

Heavy oil, Hmmm.

You probably crank the s*** outta the ball....

Try either a No Mercy, Anger, OR you can sand down your toxic to about 1000 Grit, when you sand a pearl ball it grips more than a particle ball.

Me, I was too stubborn to ever sand my Toxic because I love it and I dont want the balls circumference to reduce to illegal standards because in my case it would be sanded so often it would come to that. :(

But with your revs You could easily throw your Toxic scuffed or sanded maybe if you let up on your speed a little. tons of ways to approach this problem and the easiest way to do it I have to admit is getting a new ball and since you have hand in your shot it eliminates your possibility of throwing a particle coverstock ball or a Too sand/scuffed ball.......

You're not screwed completely. :cool: