Stupid question to ask...math

[Deadman]

Alright, so this is my situation. I joined a league on november 20th. I have to have 66 games in order to get money, which right now i have high average-game-series, so that means i can miss one week and still have 66 games in. I will not be able to bowl next week and i was wondering how ou figure out what my blind will be. Handicap is 90% of 200 and i have a 206 average.

Is it a 186 per game??

[madaba]

Ours is somewhat gracious and is only 10 off you handicap, which if your case would be 196. It will depend on your league/association rules

[grayfin68]

Alright, so this is my situation. I joined a league on november 20th. I have to have 66 games in order to get money, which right now i have high average-game-series, so that means i can miss one week and still have 66 games in. I will not be able to bowl next week and i was wondering how ou figure out what my blind will be. Handicap is 90% of 200 and i have a 206 average.

Is it a 186 per game??

For every league I've ever been in, it's 10 less than your league average of 206 = 196.

[JoshWithrow]

For every league I've ever been in, it's 10 less than your league average of 206 = 196.

Same as every league I've ever been in going back to Juniors.

[mongoliantreesloth]

USBC Rule 105.e.1

An absentee score is to be used when a member is absent and a substitute is not obtained. The following provisions apply unless otherwise provided by league rule:
1. The absentee score for each game shall be the absent member’s current average less 10 pins. In handicap leagues, the handicap shall be based on the absent member’s current average.

Nuff said.

[Steve1591]

USBC Rule 105.e.1

An absentee score is to be used when a member is absent and a substitute is not obtained. The following provisions apply unless otherwise provided by league rule:
1. The absentee score for each game shall be the absent member’s current average less 10 pins. In handicap leagues, the handicap shall be based on the absent member’s current average.

Nuff said.

Theres the thing though, unless your league rules say otherwise. On the youth travel league(scratch) i bowl in, if your missing someone and dont have a sub, your blind score is 150.

[mongoliantreesloth]

That's a bit harsh. Mind you for most people in my current league a blind score of 150 is far more than they'd get if they actually turned up. Mind you I'm not too far over - a couple of bad weeks and.... :p

[Rowdy]

Alright, so this is my situation. I joined a league on november 20th. I have to have 66 games in order to get money, which right now i have high average-game-series, so that means i can miss one week and still have 66 games in. I will not be able to bowl next week and i was wondering how ou figure out what my blind will be. Handicap is 90% of 200 and i have a 206 average.

Is it a 186 per game??

Since no one has brought it up,why don't you pre-bowl?

[grayfin68]

Since no one has brought it up,why don't you pre-bowl?

I know you're being sarcastic but I don't know any leagues that will allow one person to pre-bowl. The only time that is allowed in leagues is when a whole team or 3 out of 4 can't make it on league night and it's either an emergency or unavoidable situation like travel for work or something.

[can-ham]

I know you're being sarcastic but I don't know any leagues that will allow one person to pre-bowl. The only time that is allowed in leagues is when a whole team or 3 out of 4 can't make it on league night and it's either an emergency or unavoidable situation like travel for work or something.


Maybe you could pre-bowl a 900.... :p

[Alucious]

I know you're being sarcastic but I don't know any leagues that will allow one person to pre-bowl. The only time that is allowed in leagues is when a whole team or 3 out of 4 can't make it on league night and it's either an emergency or unavoidable situation like travel for work or something.

Are you serious? I've rolled off for leagues dozens of times, and I've never heard of a league that doesn't allow just one person to roll off. My PBA league has a no roll-off rule, due to the changing patterns, but thats understandable.

[grayfin68]

Are you serious? I've rolled off for leagues dozens of times, and I've never heard of a league that doesn't allow just one person to roll off. My PBA league has a no roll-off rule, due to the changing patterns, but thats understandable.

That's ridiculous IMO. None of the leagues I've ever been in would allow one person to pre-bowl. You either need to find a sub or bowl the person blind.

Plus, you have to have a good reason for your team to pre-bowl and it has to be approved by the committee.

**** EDIT - Just looked it up on the USBC Website:

111a. Types
Types of prebowls and postponements:
1. Bowling in direct opposition.
2. Team unopposed bowling — permitted, unless the league adopts a rule prohibiting this type of competition.
3. Individual unopposed bowling:
a, Adult leagues, prohibited, unless the league rules state otherwise.
b. Youth Leagues, permitted, unless the league rules state otherwise.

http://www.bowl.com/Downloads/misc/rules/WebHelp%20Pro/images/vline.gif

Commonly Asked Questions – Rule 111a

111a/1
What is bowling unopposed?
Bowling unopposed is when one team or an individual requests and is granted permission to bowl without its scheduled opponent at a time other than the regularly scheduled league time. The team or individual with permission may bowl prior to the scheduled date (prebowling) or after the scheduled date (a postponement).


Looks like it is prohibited unless the league puts a rule in place to allow it.

[mongoliantreesloth]

Pre-bowling is commonplace. I've done it many times - sometimes on my own, sometimes with one or possibly more team members. My team members have also pre-bowled on occasion and only I was available on league night.

Post-bowling, however, is not allowed as it might encourage sandbagging.


Edit: Just checked the TBA rules and found this:
RULE 338 POSTPONED OR PRE-BOWLED GAMES - (Unless covered by a Leagues own Rules)
All league games will be bowled as per the pre-arranged schedule unless they are postponed or pre-bowled upon authorisation of the league’s Management Committee. Whilst the Committee may determine what is sufficient cause to grant postponement/pre-bowling, they must always allow for “Emergency” situations. When Doubles or Teams are postponed or pre-bowled, they must compete as Doubles and Teams respectively.
Rules similar to those for postponements will apply to pre-bowling.
REQUEST NOTICE - At least 48 hours prior to scheduled match.
TIME LIMIT - No postponed game may be bowled later than 24 hours after the end of the final scheduled competition, unless that match could have a bearing on the outcome of the league championship. Such matches must be concluded within seven days of the scheduled close of competition.
PROCEDURE - Once granted, the league secretary will advise the centre on the changes to the schedule and make arrangements for the new dates. Usual league rules and conditions to apply and one pair of certified lanes in the same centre are to be used.
VERSION 22 7.1 – 28/11/07
ALTERNATIVE DATES are to be arranged between the team captains concerned, but if after seven (7) days, agreement cannot be reached, the line officers of the league will set and advise both captains of the new date and time, giving at least three (3) days notice.
AVERAGES/HANDICAPS existing at the date of play are to be used.

I reckon this means every pre-bowl in all leagues I've been involved in did not meet TBA rules :(

[grayfin68]

Pre-bowling is commonplace. I've done it many times - sometimes on my own, sometimes with one or possibly more team members. My team members have also pre-bowled on occasion and only I was available on league night.

Post-bowling, however, is not allowed as it might encourage sandbagging.

Well, according to the USBC rules, pre and post bowling (individual) are prohibited (for adult leagues) unless league rules allow it, so there is no right or wrong answer here as long as we're following the league rules.

I find it odd that the USBC would prohibit something and then allow leagues to over ride it though.

My personal opinion on the matter is that individuals shouldn't be allowed to do it because you can field a team as long as you have 2 out of 3 or four or 3 out of 5 to make a legal line up.

[stretchmike]

my league has been going over 20+ yrs (only 4 yrs total 4 me) and they have always allowed prebowling and 1 guy even got a 300 about 8 yrs ago doing it. took em 2 weeks to okay it though. he was bowling real early in an almost empty house got a 227/300/212 and his avg was only a 196 at the time.

[mongoliantreesloth]

Wasn't Robert Mushtare by any chance?

[Rowdy]

Wasn't Robert Mushtare by any chance?

Cold,baby. Very cold. But damn funny.

[mongoliantreesloth]

You guys heard of him then? lol:p

[BubbaRay]

Let's not even get into that topic.

[Alucious]

I honestly had no idea that there was opposition to roll-offs. I have banked roll-offs in case I have to go into work early some nights, and I know for a fact that all the leagues in our area allow it...