Gerrr!!!!!!

[Hotshot]

Was in a tournament over the weekend, did ok made it too the 6th round, THEN IT HAPPEND, 9th frame rolled down and in on a PBA shot and my BWP died. Stock full of oil would'nt hook anymore got knocked out the D/E tournament by 5 pins I'm pissed I took my ball to the pro shop to get baked $%@@%%%$%@$%@#%

[can-ham]

Lesson learned: Take your ball in for regular maintenance...

[No Mercy07]

And people wonder why i bring 5 balls to tournaments

[BubbaRay]

Are you sure the ball lost it's reaxtion because of being oil soaked or was it the PBA shot that made the ball not react. What game and what PBA shot was out there? Either way it's a heartbreaker that you missed by 5 pins.

[pipes]

I would bet my aunts false teeth it was the lanes NOT the ball they don't die IMHO that fast ! I bet it was carry down or somthing and it was rolling out . Just my 2 cents if its worth that .

[BubbaRay]

I would bet my aunts false teeth it was the lanes NOT the ball they don't die IMHO that fast ! I bet it was carry down or somthing and it was rolling out . Just my 2 cents if its worth that .

That's exactly why I asked what game and PBA shot was down. It seems weird that just in the 9th frame the ball stoped reacting. Had to be the conition. PBA shots are known for this

[Hotshot]

no it was the ball.. after the tournament I went down and shot 6 games on a house shot and the guy said it was a dry house shot my wild cat moved but my BWP would'nt it was not the PBA shot my wil cat moved on that also.. Just a bad day =[

[Hotshot]

That's exactly why I asked what game and PBA shot was down. It seems weird that just in the 9th frame the ball stoped reacting. Had to be the conition. PBA shots are known for this

no the ball died in the first game Just got worse every roll

[idlehourlegend]

no the ball died in the first game Just got worse every roll

O.k. so why didn't you stop using it earlier?, If it wasn't coming up like you wanted then switch to the ball thats moving.

[JaraTo]

O.k. so why didn't you stop using it earlier?, If it wasn't coming up like you wanted then switch to the ball thats moving.

Hindsight.... I've done some stubborn things like that before in the past as well.

[mbrown300]

as they say in the bowling world there are bowlers and there are ball changers. i am going to host a tourney were you can bring whatever you want and practice with and there will be different shots on different pairs of lanes but when the tourney starts you have to choose 1 ball only including for your spares and we will see who the real bowlers are. i have 59 second place finishes with no wins several times a 10 pin or 8 pin cost me the win a few tourneys were i missed 1 time in final game and lost the game which lost me the tourney but anyway keep trying and learn from your mistakes

[slap]

How does it ball death suddenly occur? Does it hook in frame 1 and then in frame 2 just go straight?

I've never experienced ball death (thanks to my strict cleaning regime) however I would expect it to be a gradual process.

[Hotshot]

How does it ball death suddenly occur? Does it hook in frame 1 and then in frame 2 just go straight?

I've never experienced ball death (thanks to my strict cleaning regime) however I would expect it to be a gradual process.

I clean my balls after every set of games Thank you very much -_-.. Now as fair as dying out it just moved a bored if that and I did go to my Wildcat * a lil too late thoe*

[Rowdy]

as they say in the bowling world there are bowlers and there are ball changers. i am going to host a tourney were you can bring whatever you want and practice with and there will be different shots on different pairs of lanes but when the tourney starts you have to choose 1 ball only including for your spares and we will see who the real bowlers are. i have 59 second place finishes with no wins several times a 10 pin or 8 pin cost me the win a few tourneys were i missed 1 time in final game and lost the game which lost me the tourney but anyway keep trying and learn from your mistakes

One ball??? Including spares??? You're not gonna find out who the real bowlers are with that format. All you'll find out is who can throw a spare ball the best. Sounds to me like you're just trying to get off the schnide and win one with a hokey format.

And where does ANYONE say there are bowlers and then there are ball changers??? I was always under the impression that the best bowlers knew when to change balls. Or is this a case of equipment envy??? Hmm??? Are you pissed because some of us have the foresight to bring 4,5,6 or more balls with us???

BTW-If an 8 pin cost you anything,that's on YOU. Missing an 8 pin is unforgivable with the match on the line. That's a choke,plain and simple.

Practice your spares.:)

[Rowdy]

I clean my balls after every set of games Thank you very much -_-.. Now as fair as dying out it just moved a bored if that and I did go to my Wildcat * a lil too late thoe*

I think what you got was a little over/under happening there,not ball death.

This scenario is why some of us drag all that gear into the house. If the first bullet is a dud I've got five more in the gun. And I'm not afraid to use them all.

[agroves]

Sorry bowling balls do not hook and then just stop. The hooking action decreases over time and use. I will record this excuse for further use tho.

[slap]

Sorry bowling balls do not hook and then just stop. The hooking action decreases over time and use. I will record this excuse for further use tho.

Classic :D

[Dave34]

So it was like:

Pocket crushed, Pocket Crushed, Pocket Crushed, pick off the ten pin?

[Hotshot]

So it was like:

Pocket crushed, Pocket Crushed, Pocket Crushed, pick off the ten pin?

more like pocket pocket then it hooked a lil less i moved then it just started less hooking more and more and more till nothnig.

[Dave34]

Oh Ok, I probably just misread the post.

I've had that problem before, but it was because of the pattern, however you said you went on a different pair and tried, so I dunno.

[agroves]

more like pocket pocket then it hooked a lil less i moved then it just started less hooking more and more and more till nothnig.

We call that carrydown, not ball death.

[Rowdy]

Sorry bowling balls do not hook and then just stop. The hooking action decreases over time and use. I will record this excuse for further use tho.

Of course. But to be a totally effective excuse we'll have to come up with an acronym loaded term for said ball and/or lane condition. Just so we'll sound like we have a clue when we have to use it.

[JaraTo]

We call that carrydown, not ball death.


That's what it sounds like to me.

[Hotshot]

then tell me this Mr I know everything... WHY on a DRY HOUSE SHOT it wouldnt move 5 boreds but my wild cat moved 25+?

[JaraTo]

I hope you're not directing that at me. Direct your criticism at the argument not the person. Could it be possible that the ball was burning up but your White Clash has less surface and and a weaker coverstock, Sir? Might've been that unlucky if you got carry down during your competition, and barren lanes would cause it to burn up. What kinda revs and ball speed do you have?

[Rowdy]

then tell me this Mr I know everything... WHY on a DRY HOUSE SHOT it wouldnt move 5 boreds but my wild cat moved 25+?
WELCOME TO THE BOWLERS COURT!!!!!!!

Today we will hear the case of a Mr. Hotshot,who is claiming "ball death" as his reason for not scoring. We will now hear any and all evidence that Mr.Hotshot has presented to the Court.
To Whit:
The ball in question is a Black Widow Pearl,2000 Abralon,Polished

Said ball was being used in a tournament. Said ball was used for 6,(six),rounds of bowling,unknown number of games in each round,whereapon said ball just,"stopped hooking" in the 9th,(ninth),frame of game on a PBA oil pattern.

Mr.Hotshot claims to have a regular schedule of ball cleaning.

Mr.Hotshot then claims to have used a "Wildcat",(Manufacturer Unknown to the Court),that proceeded to "move"

Mr.Hotshot then attemped to bowl on a lane condition known as "dry". Said ball did not "move" once again,however the Wildcat did. Claims of 25+ boards of "movement" however are seen by The Court to be an overly optimistic number,so The Court will take into account Mr.Hotshot's ability to try and B.S. The Court for a favorable ruling.

The Court will now hear evidence from any and all interested parties.

First we have a deposition from a Mr.Can-Ham who states for the record that the ball in question may have not been regularly maintained.

We have another deposition from a Mr.BubbaRay who states that the oil pattern in question may be responsible for the afore mentioned problem.

We have another deposition from a Mr.Pipes stating that the problem is either the oil pattern or "carrydown".

We have another deposition from a Mr.Slap who brings into question the validity of "ball death" and how fast the onset of said disease is.

We have another deposition from a Mr.Rowdy who states that the problem may be a case of the dreaded "over/under". The Court being intimatly familiar with Mr.Rowdy,(He has had numerous cases before The Court),will take all of Mr.Rowdy's testimony with a grain of salt.

A deposition from a Mr.Agroves simply states that bowling balls do not hook and then just stop. The "stop" in the hooking action is attirbuted to "carrydown",in Mr.Agroves opinion.

A deposition from a Mr.JaraTo supports the deposistion of Mr.Agroves,in that "carrydown" is suspect.

The Court recognizes that Mr.Hotshot's anger was on the rise as expert witness after expert witness did not agree with and take the side of Mr.Hotshot in this matter.

The Court will now deliberate this weighty matter. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Hum the "Jeopardy" theme while The Court deliberates,please.

THE BOWLERS COURT WILL NOW RENDER IT'S DECISION!!!!!!

The Court finds in the following matter that there was no indication of continuing ball cleaning as the day went on,leading to the "non-hooking" action of said ball.

The Court further finds that the lanes did indeed have the condition of "carrydown",and that Mr.Hotshot rolled on while ignoring his declining game.

The Court also finds that the bowler was lax in performing a timely ball change.
To Whit:
Not keeping ball clean enough:GUILTY!!!

Bowling through Carrydown without a clue:GUILTY!!!

Missing a ball change:GUILTY!!!

The Court will now render a decision on "Ball Death".
To Whit:
There Ain't No Such Thing. CASE CLOSED!!!
Have a nice day,y'all.:)

[agroves]

:D :D :D ;)

Great post!

[agroves]

then tell me this Mr I know everything... WHY on a DRY HOUSE SHOT it wouldnt move 5 boreds but my wild cat moved 25+?

The Black Widow Pearl, even polished, is a very strong ball.

Strong ball+dry lanes=roll out

If you combine:

Strong ball+dry lanes+no speed+moderate revs=instanta rollout

The Wildcat was a very weak version of the Werewolf. I had one, it certainly wasn't strong.

[TenPinSniper]

WELCOME TO THE BOWLERS COURT!!!!!!!

We have another deposition from a Mr.Rowdy who states that the problem may be a case of the dreaded "over/under". The Court being intimatly familiar with Mr.Rowdy,(He has had numerous cases before The Court),will take all of Mr.Rowdy's testimony with a grain of salt.



This is classic!:D

Agreed the Pearl is a pretty strong ball.

Think we all know what causes ball death! Lack of Maintenance.

Basics for Ball Care:
Get over to the local Target or Import-Mart, go directly to the automotive section pick up atleast one bundle of these disposable Microfiber Towels, something like 10 for $5.

Find some sort of bowling ball cup to hold the ball in place, buy a couple or dozen. (Does having a stack of these mean you have a problem? When you don't run a proshop.):D

Buy some cleaner.... dont care what it is, buy several.
Clean and Dull
Lane Master stuff
Power Wash
BM Rejvenator
Even if it Simple Green or TA... just get something. Windex, alcohol...

[JaraTo]

Man this guy irritated the hell outta me when I first joined but by God do I love Rowdy, lol.

[Rowdy]

Man this guy irritated the hell outta me when I first joined but by God do I love Rowdy, lol.

I've always had this effect on people. I don't know why.......:rolleyes:

[slap]

Oh man Rowdy, that might be the post of the year. :D

[Curacao_Dejavu]

I've always had this effect on people. I don't know why.......:rolleyes:

It's not about your technical knowledge.
It's about how you communicate and pass your knowledge over to the person.

Leopold

[Hotshot]

It's not about your technical knowledge.
It's about how you communicate and pass your knowledge over to the person.

Leopold

Microfiber have em.. One thing that was not done was for it too be*baked* in the 6 months I've owned the ball ALL thoe I have givin baths and I clean after every use..

[Rowdy]

Oh man Rowdy, that might be the post of the year. :D

Is there an award for that???

[pipes]

Is there an award for that???

NO were stopping all awards and moving to Texas LOL:p

[Rowdy]

NO were stopping all awards and moving to Texas LOL:p

No,no. Don't I get one award for the first one and none after that for the same thing??? THEN move to Texas.

[mshaunf]

WELCOME TO THE BOWLERS COURT!!!!!!!

Today we will hear the case of a Mr. Hotshot,who is claiming "ball death" as his reason for not scoring. We will now hear any and all evidence that Mr.Hotshot has presented to the Court.
To Whit:
The ball in question is a Black Widow Pearl,2000 Abralon,Polished

Said ball was being used in a tournament. Said ball was used for 6,(six),rounds of bowling,unknown number of games in each round,whereapon said ball just,"stopped hooking" in the 9th,(ninth),frame of game on a PBA oil pattern.

Mr.Hotshot claims to have a regular schedule of ball cleaning.

Mr.Hotshot then claims to have used a "Wildcat",(Manufacturer Unknown to the Court),that proceeded to "move"

Mr.Hotshot then attemped to bowl on a lane condition known as "dry". Said ball did not "move" once again,however the Wildcat did. Claims of 25+ boards of "movement" however are seen by The Court to be an overly optimistic number,so The Court will take into account Mr.Hotshot's ability to try and B.S. The Court for a favorable ruling.

The Court will now hear evidence from any and all interested parties.

First we have a deposition from a Mr.Can-Ham who states for the record that the ball in question may have not been regularly maintained.

We have another deposition from a Mr.BubbaRay who states that the oil pattern in question may be responsible for the afore mentioned problem.

We have another deposition from a Mr.Pipes stating that the problem is either the oil pattern or "carrydown".

We have another deposition from a Mr.Slap who brings into question the validity of "ball death" and how fast the onset of said disease is.

We have another deposition from a Mr.Rowdy who states that the problem may be a case of the dreaded "over/under". The Court being intimatly familiar with Mr.Rowdy,(He has had numerous cases before The Court),will take all of Mr.Rowdy's testimony with a grain of salt.

A deposition from a Mr.Agroves simply states that bowling balls do not hook and then just stop. The "stop" in the hooking action is attirbuted to "carrydown",in Mr.Agroves opinion.

A deposition from a Mr.JaraTo supports the deposistion of Mr.Agroves,in that "carrydown" is suspect.

The Court recognizes that Mr.Hotshot's anger was on the rise as expert witness after expert witness did not agree with and take the side of Mr.Hotshot in this matter.

The Court will now deliberate this weighty matter. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
Hum the "Jeopardy" theme while The Court deliberates,please.

THE BOWLERS COURT WILL NOW RENDER IT'S DECISION!!!!!!

The Court finds in the following matter that there was no indication of continuing ball cleaning as the day went on,leading to the "non-hooking" action of said ball.

The Court further finds that the lanes did indeed have the condition of "carrydown",and that Mr.Hotshot rolled on while ignoring his declining game.

The Court also finds that the bowler was lax in performing a timely ball change.
To Whit:
Not keeping ball clean enough:GUILTY!!!

Bowling through Carrydown without a clue:GUILTY!!!

Missing a ball change:GUILTY!!!

The Court will now render a decision on "Ball Death".
To Whit:
There Ain't No Such Thing. CASE CLOSED!!!
Have a nice day,y'all.:)
Very impressive... No kidding...

[Hotshot]

Got my ball back.. took it to my PBA league and it hooked like it used too so I dont care it works now.

[TenPinSniper]

What did you have done?

[Curacao_Dejavu]

person x uses method x.
person y uses method y.
both are happy with their method, so leave it as is.
nice to share the method , but I do not see the point of having whole debates about this.

I bowl basicly with the bwp. There is an upcoming tournament this thursday so I brought the ball to the proshop to have him do his thing. I dont have tens of balls to carry around with so the one I have I have to make sure that it's in top condition for the tournament. I think is pretty obvious if you dont have many balls, that the ones that you have should be peak condition when you go to tournaments.

Leopold

[JaraTo]

::Scratches head::

[Rowdy]

Ah....um....uh....well it was....uh....er....nevermind.

[Hotshot]

What did you have done?

baked and new finger tips rolls like new and hooks on my pba shots again.

[magicmike]

I'm a little late to the party, but I do see where the carrydown and changing of the oil pattern would cause this issue.

I can also see the knowledge level of the bowler helped him come to a wrong decision. I think that maybe HotShot is young and really isn't that knowledgeable yet and the ball is a good excuse, I may be way off but it seems typical of someone with a high series in the lower six's.

[Rowdy]

baked and new finger tips rolls like new and hooks on my pba shots again.

Baked???? (Holds nose) Ewwwwww!!!!!!!