ok all u high rev bowlers...i need ur help

[rotogrippro91]

ok lets start out with my stats....i carry a 197 average, i have med revs but a high speed......i bowl on a med ths but when i get to tournament i have a hard time slowing the ball down on the heavy oil....i was wondering if u could give me some advise on how to pick up revs....i have a roto cell drilled strong arc, and a bvp sidewinder drilled rico....so they both should hook i jus dont have the revs....thanks for the help

[HCSBowler267643]

It is very hard to transition between PBA(Sport) shots and house shots (trust me i know)

My Advice when on a pba/sport shot, take a step forward from where u usually stand. then pick your speed up.

then when you go back to house slower down


Support gloves work wonders!

[rotogrippro91]

no im jus talking about revs.....i have plenty of speed but not enough revs and i have trouble slowing down on heavier oil......for example i bowled in the state pepsi tournament....they flouded my like 20 to 10 so i had to move right cuz i had to much speed...still nothing, so i strugled for 2 games to slow down....and then i gave up and threw the ball straight.....so i need help building revs

[aceplayer]

If you want to kill some of your speed bring the ball down further in your stance. The higher up your ball is the more gravity creates speed for you. The lower you have the ball the less gravity helps ='ing less speed. :-)

[rotogrippro91]

yea this is were it gets crazy...when i start my release my balls is already down to my knee...my youth coach is no help cuz he thinks were i start the ball i should have like no speed at all...but if i slow my feet my timing gets thrown all off...so im jus trying to create revs without crossing my arm over my body

[aceplayer]

Maybe go up a weight in ball if you aren't already at 16lbs. That should add a little bit and make it a little harder to muscle it.

[stilesthomas]

well i know when i need more revs i cup the ball in my palm and only use my fingers and that always gives me the extra revs

[aceplayer]

Everytime I have ever tried to go without my thumb I dropped the stinkin thing.lol Its all in my head but I just can't get myself to do it that way without lookin like an idiot in front of the whole bowling alley.lol

[stilesthomas]

lol thats the way i taught myself to bowl with a hook 3 years ago

[rotogrippro91]

yea back my freshman year i threw like that but now my junior year i switched and incressed my accuracy and stuff but i dont have many revs and am looking to get more...but i guess im jus going to wait for stronger equipment and try throwing slower

[JaraTo]

Sounds like you have a controlled arm swing. Work using a free armswing. It's much easier to control speed than to instantaneously increase revs. Some are just blessed with the ability to create tons of revs. It will benefit you much more if you learn to control your ball speed in addition to attempting to create more revs.

[Etonix]

Play with your hand position. You wont find it comfortable the first few times you change it, i can control alot of the way i throw the ball by doing this. I can cut my rev rate from 550-600 range to a mear 300. You could also tuck your pinky to create just a little bit of more lift. Can you post video of you bowling?

[idlehourlegend]

Play with your hand position. You wont find it comfortable the first few times you change it, i can control alot of the way i throw the ball by doing this. I can cut my rev rate from 550-600 range to a mear 300. You could also tuck your pinky to create just a little bit of more lift. Can you post video of you bowling?

Hand position changes are a big thing in it, but you ^^ post a vid of your 600 revs?

[Etonix]

Ok, ill see when i can do it, parents said i cant bowl for like the next two weeks because of finals and bla bla bla stuff ugh. So i will get one up as soon as schools out.

[madaba]

What weight do your throw now? Also, try finding a coach/pro in your area for some lessons this summer

[rotogrippro91]

i throw 15 and ive tried 16 for speed and jus messed up my wrist but i was told get 14 and i could get more lift but im affraid that i will jus wig that down the lane and have no hook still

[JoshWithrow]

i throw 15 and ive tried 16 for speed and jus messed up my wrist but i was told get 14 and i could get more lift but im affraid that i will jus wig that down the lane and have no hook still

I doubt it. 1 lb isn't enough to make that much difference, especially when moving down (moving up MAY be arguable depending on how the ball is laid out).

[rotogrippro91]

ok well if noone else thinks that ill jus over power 14 and that maybe that would help i might jus pick up a 14 pound ball over the summer and give it a shot...but i want others to throw there opinion out there weather u know me or not....which u prob dont

[Chicarpenter84]

Theres many things to get more revs, hand position is a big factor in mine, what is your high speed are you in the 20's. I have med-high avg ball speed right around 18mph I can get up to 22 If I need to or down to about 14 if that what the shot calls for.

A lot well for me always I never got a house shot on a tournament so your trying to throw that line I will say 90% time its not going to work. If your playing 20-10 all the time your not making yourself a better bowler, was the rail flooded its hard to get to it, I'm always afraid of gutter ball and that is a weakness I'm working on now.

You could try to shorten you ball swing if your trying to throw like a cranker like Tommy Jones and you don't have the revs to go with the speed your gonna be lost.

Post a vid if you can, need to work your rev into your game for those harder shots.

I don't think you need more revs especially only being about 17yrs old, and I don't think you will like a 14ib ball with your high speeds just IMO.

[Rowdy]

Play with your hand position. You wont find it comfortable the first few times you change it, i can control alot of the way i throw the ball by doing this. I can cut my rev rate from 550-600 range to a mear 300. You could also tuck your pinky to create just a little bit of more lift. Can you post video of you bowling?

550 to 600??? I just watched Jason Belmonte on the tube and thats what he was revving two-handed. Somehow I don't think you're revving the ball as fast as him one-handed.

[JaraTo]

What does Brett rev at? I remember Etonix posted his papers from the diag session he had and we wondered if those revs were a fluke back then.

[TenPinSniper]

Hand position changes are a big thing in it, but you ^^ post a vid of your 600 revs?

X2

550 to 600??? I just watched Jason Belmonte on the tube and thats what he was revving two-handed. Somehow I don't think you're revving the ball as fast as him one-handed.

And Maximum Bob (Robert Smith), but then again they have not found anyone who can match his feat of Revs and Speed. (BTW, he can get 640 rpm cranking it up, 525 on a normal releases.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8KS4S3WJY&feature=related

[Rowdy]

X2



And Maximum Bob (Robert Smith), but then again they have not found anyone who can match his feat of Revs and Speed. (BTW, he can get 640 rpm cranking it up, 525 on a normal releases.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht8KS4S3WJY&feature=related

That much??? Dang,I'm lucky if I can get up to 400,and I have to about screw myself into the approach to get that much. Then my arm goes numb from the elbow down,too many curveballs in High School.

[Etonix]

My old high-school coach used the digitrax about 4 months ago on me and the best i could get was around 591, so i guess i shouldnt say 600, my fault, i will see if he still has the readings/video.

[Street Racer]

What does Brett rev at? I remember Etonix posted his papers from the diag session he had and we wondered if those revs were a fluke back then.

when did I get pulled into this?

coach has estimiated close to 500 when i use my full strength... but there normally is no need for it, prob around 400-450 on a average day

[Street Racer]

Play with your hand position. You wont find it comfortable the first few times you change it, i can control alot of the way i throw the ball by doing this. I can cut my rev rate from 550-600 range to a mear 300. You could also tuck your pinky to create just a little bit of more lift. Can you post video of you bowling?

needing video.............

[TenPinSniper]

My old high-school coach used the digitrax about 4 months ago on me and the best i could get was around 591, so i guess i shouldnt say 600, my fault, i will see if he still has the readings/video.

Dude that's insane, I would like to see the video. Was this you trying to rev it up, or just a normal release?

[Etonix]

Oh this is not my "normal release" me at normal was at the low 500.

[JaraTo]

when did I get pulled into this?

coach has estimiated close to 500 when i use my full strength... but there normally is no need for it, prob around 400-450 on a average day

Oh I was just wondering for comparison purposes sir how that would look compared to your delivery if a ball was indeed at 600 rpm.

It's hard to believe, we have our doubts, but we're not calling you liar Etonix. We would just love to see that in action.

[Street Racer]

Oh I was just wondering for comparison purposes sir how that would look compared to your delivery if a ball was indeed at 600 rpm.

It's hard to believe, we have our doubts, but we're not calling you liar Etonix. We would just love to see that in action.

i dont see the use of adding "all" my power into a shot... for a number for reasons

1. Todays bowling balls are strong enough
2. saves alot of energy for long tournaments
3. and throwing a big hook doesnt make you score..

the recent video that i posted up, that was just a average day for me...

[JaraTo]

I'm still trying to get used to my somewhat cranker delivery I "had" to develop. Back in the day I was a pure stroker, years later after coming back I have deal with a seperated AC Joint in my throwing shoulder from college. It doesnt hurt or anything but my shoulder hangs weird and you can feel the clavicle is sticking up higher on that side. You can actually push down on that bone with two fingers, kinda creepy. The doctors said you don't need surgery unless you're like a pro athlete or something of that nature. So in order to stay in a leverage position, I had to start pushing the ball outwards (due to the lose hinge which kinda guides my arm inward on downswing) on my approach. Now I have to open my shoulders but because the nature of the injury it's easy for me to generate revs without hurt myself due to all the lose movement in my shoulder. Kinda feel like that kid throwing 100 mph fastballs in the movie Rookie Of The Year. I'd be interested to see my actual rev rate.

[Etonix]

Ha, i dont use "all" my power in every shot or else i would wear myself out before the end of the first game. I've toned down alot because the house i usually bowl at lays a "summer shot" which is basicly no oil so you have to tone your revs down. I save that style of play for when i go to some old wood houses and theres a wall on the outside and i can just bank it off of that at 40 feet.

[ashley1_scott]

You asked about getting more rev's.
Have you tried just slowing down, it will have the same affect
but is more consistant

[Paul1979]

Would love to be able to track mine.

What would you say my revs were. I am thinking between 400 - 500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6MQfKIDyk

[Flessan]

I'm probably around.. oh.. 180...:(

[TraPStaR]

Would love to be able to track mine.

What would you say my revs were. I am thinking between 400 - 500.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET6MQfKIDyk

your throw is very consistent and nice, keep that up, have you thought about getting slightly more aggressive balls such as a venom or nvd?

to me your revs look around 425/450 range, could be off on my fps if you got clearer videos posted up sometime let me know, ill see if i can calc.

[ashley1_scott]

If you put a video on YouTube, it will be easier for us to see if you are muslcing the ball also we can see you release which also might help us give some help for increasing your rev's

[Rowdy]

What is the huge fascination with revs??? Who cares??? All you need is enough to make the ball hook. The ball these days will take care of the rest. I've got one ball that can be thrown with zero revs and still hit the pocket. Will it strike every time? No,but then a ball thrown with 500 rpms won't either.

Drill the ball to match your style of play and stop worrying about revs. Try worrying about a smooth delivery instead. You'll score higher.

[idlehourlegend]

What is the huge fascination with revs??? Who cares??? All you need is enough to make the ball hook. The ball these days will take care of the rest. I've got one ball that can be thrown with zero revs and still hit the pocket. Will it strike every time? No,but then a ball thrown with 500 rpms won't either.

Drill the ball to match your style of play and stop worrying about revs. Try worrying about a smooth delivery instead. You'll score higher.

I agree here, the revs are not that great to have really, I had/ have a ton of them, but I have taken a lot of them away/ have started throwing the ball 3-4 mph faster than I use to to cut down on the hook and to let me play a straighter more direct line, believe me when they say straighter is greater, they aint lieing, it makes this game sooooo much easier and allows you to be a lot more smooth and consistent than having to worry about throwing a 20 board swing, believe me, been there done that, and the pain both physical and mental you'll be put through throwing it, is not worth it. Stick with what you got and perfect it, JMO but be yourself.

[Rowdy]

This has me thinking. I'm wondering whats the least number of revs required to move a ball from,oh say the 7-8 board area to the pocket if the break happens around 52-53 feet? Not a hard snap,just a turn into the pocket.

Any ideas?

[Thepainscoming]

all depends on lane condition.

[idlehourlegend]

This has me thinking. I'm wondering whats the least number of revs required to move a ball from,oh say the 7-8 board area to the pocket if the break happens around 52-53 feet? Not a hard snap,just a turn into the pocket.

Any ideas?

Would say that depends on a lot of stuff, ball, lane condition, and ball speed. Because I mean something like a white dot compared to something like an AMB Particle would just change the whole thing.

[Rowdy]

Would say that depends on a lot of stuff, ball, lane condition, and ball speed. Because I mean something like a white dot compared to something like an AMB Particle would just change the whole thing.

True. Guess I'll just have to find out what the lowest number is on the stuff I have.

[Street Racer]

end of the day... some ppl are just lucky to be able to throw a high reving shot...

does it really matter tho? look at walter ray...

[Thepainscoming]

does it really matter tho? look at walter ray...
yes because we all wanna be able to not carry a ten pin for our life :p:p

[Rowdy]

yes because we all wanna be able to not carry a ten pin for our life :p:p

All a ton of revs will do for you is replace that Ringing 10 pin with a Stone 9.:eek:

[idlehourlegend]

All a ton of revs will do for you is replace that Ringing 10 pin with a Stone 9.:eek:

No.. no stone 9, we get the karate kid messenger on those that hits the wall and comes in the air and chops the 8 or 9 in the middle of the pin in the air.

[Street Racer]

No.. no stone 9, we get the karate kid messenger on those that hits the wall and comes in the air and chops the 8 or 9 in the middle of the pin in the air.

had plenty of those messengers last night!

[Rowdy]

No.. no stone 9, we get the karate kid messenger on those that hits the wall and comes in the air and chops the 8 or 9 in the middle of the pin in the air.

Some people with no revs don't get that kind of pin action. I wouldn't know about that however as I don't suffer from that problem.:rolleyes:

[idlehourlegend]

had plenty of those messengers last night!

They are hilarious, they give me the best laugh some nights to just see them cause like 20 mph across the lane mid air and chop the pin cracks me up and so does the face of the people watching on the other team or the ones that say "thats so unfair". Then got one that always says I should bury every strike instead of throwing messengers around and those arent good strikes, always say to him its exactly this reaction from the opposing team that makes me keep loving messengers/revs.

[Dave34]

Those messengers are fun, but nothing like having the headpin slowly roll across the lane, tap the 10 (or 9) get it to wobble a few times and then fall to the left right before the pinsettter starts to come down.

Those really get to the other team, especially if you follow it by going "Did the pinsetter hit that?"

[Thepainscoming]

idle, i have no revs, but i do get messengers on the 9 and ten a LOT it seems lol.

[idlehourlegend]

idle, i have no revs, but i do get messengers on the 9 and ten a LOT it seems lol.

A little faster speed with some type of turn could do it too.

As for the slow rolling messengers I dont like them, not as impressive cause just about everyone gets them, I like the fast ones where there like o thank god he left an 8...o my nvm..

[Thepainscoming]

i dont throw it fast lol

[PinSlayer]

ok lets start out with my stats....i carry a 197 average, i have med revs but a high speed......i bowl on a med ths but when i get to tournament i have a hard time slowing the ball down on the heavy oil....i was wondering if u could give me some advise on how to pick up revs....i have a roto cell drilled strong arc, and a bvp sidewinder drilled rico....so they both should hook i jus dont have the revs....thanks for the help


When holding the ball where are your index and pinky fingers located?

The farther out the index finger is will help with more revs.. BUT you need to keep your pinky as close to the ring finger that you can.. I tuck my Pinky Not sure why but ever since I have been using finger tip balls I have done that.

One more thing that helps is be sure you have a storng follow through. If you half azz it you will get less revs... Well at least this has been what I have learned through the years..