How to use the original 3d-Offset?

[kennethortiz]

I have other Hammer balls but recently a friend of mine told me had an old original Hammer 3d-Offset High Rev ball that he no longer used.

He said it was the older version of the “High Rev” ball not the actuall High Rev. I sqw that the newer High Rev bright pink bowling ball is listed on the Hammer website as a "Retired Ball" but the original 3d-Offset High Rev is NOT listed on that section.

I ended up buying it from him for $15. I've been using it for about 10 days. I love it but I really have no idea how to properly use it. I’m having a tough time consistently hitting the pocket but when I do, it’s a strike every time.

I am a mid-speed, low-rev bowler. I use a classic-stroker style and my league bowls at an alley with wood lanes that usually have medium oil conditions.

I haven’t re-drilled this ball yet, just using his hand layout which is similar to mine. I will take it to my guy on Wednesday to get it plugged and drilled. Before I do that, I have a few questions for you guys here on the board...

1) Where can I find drilling instructions and layouts for this ball? Do you have any recommendations for drilling this ball?

2) The Hammer 3d-Offset over hooks in dryer conditions substantially. Is there a way to avoid?

3) This is the most important question I have, I notice on the Hammer website there are diagrams for each ball showing the motion and break point down the lane. The diagrams show what mark I should use and where on the lane it’ll break back towards the pocket. Can I find that diagram anywhere online for that older 3d-Offset ball?

I know that the mark and release point will change for each bowler but I like the diagrams because they simply give me a decent idea of where to start and from there I can make my adjustments. Does the Hammer website have this type of diagram for this ball? If not, where can I find it?

[Street Racer]

1) Where can I find drilling instructions and layouts for this ball? Do you have any recommendations for drilling this ball?

The 3d off set is a old ball, i think it came out be4 i even started bowling lol, drillings sheets might be hard, its just depending on the core i guess,

2) The Hammer 3d-Offset over hooks in dryer conditions substantially. Is there a way to avoid?

Hmm so you are saying you want it for oily lanes?, i guess you can sand it upto lets say 500 grit if you are a stroker, and isnt this ball designed for med-heavy oils anywayz?

3) This is the most important question I have, I notice on the Hammer website there are diagrams for each ball showing the motion and break point down the lane. The diagrams show what mark I should use and where on the lane it’ll break back towards the pocket. Can I find that diagram anywhere online for that older 3d-Offset ball?

I wouldnt go for the diagrams anyway man, i use to do that and boy, i got stuffed around majorly and i dont think they never made one, due to it was made around late 90's,

i think just about covers it

any more questions dont be afaird to ask:)

Brett

[Gryndryno]

but what I have read states they are trying to emulate the look and feel of the 3d offset high rev with the new high rev so I would reference the high rev diagram for help as it is likely to be most similar to what you have....

[kennethortiz]

Hmm so you are saying you want it for oily lanes?, i guess you can sand it upto lets say 500 grit if you are a stroker, and isnt this ball designed for med-heavy oils anywayz?



I dunno what the ball was originally designed for but mine seems to work better in med-heavy oil. Maybe it's just because its used or something or maybe my release or style, again I dunno. but when the lanes dry up a bit, my ball seems to OVER-hook. what I mean is it hooks to much. if the rest of my mechanics and speed are perfect than I can still get a brooklyn strike often but it takes perfect consistency which is what I struggling with. any suggestions?

[Street Racer]

I dunno what the ball was originally designed for but mine seems to work better in med-heavy oil. Maybe it's just because its used or something or maybe my release or style, again I dunno. but when the lanes dry up a bit, my ball seems to OVER-hook. what I mean is it hooks to much. if the rest of my mechanics and speed are perfect than I can still get a brooklyn strike often but it takes perfect consistency which is what I struggling with. any suggestions?


try deoiling the ball and then get it resurfaced to lets say 1000 grit? then try it, cause it sounds like you are getting under/over reaction, so that means 2 things, the lanes are too dry and its just rolling out, or there is something wrong with the ball?

thats what i think anyway, i maybe wrong,(i am only 17 lol)

Brett

[LordWalrus]

when the lanes dry up a bit, my ball seems to OVER-hook. what I mean is it hooks to much.

This is normal. All balls are going to hook more when the lanes are dry. I'm thinking that when the 3D Offset starts to hook to much, or become uncontrollable, you might just want to give it a rest and perhaps pull out your Red Pearl rather than try to make the 3D do something it doesn't like.

I have the same situation with my Hawg Wild and my Pain. Once those start hooking off the lane I grab my Purple Vibe.

[Gryndryno]

from what little I read on the subject, excellent ball for medium oil but not the greatest on dry and will tend to skid through the heavier oil. But it sounds like you have a really solid medium oil ball for an excellent price, nicely done..

[hammerforlife]

You have an awesome ball, i bought mine brand new in 1998 i do believe and wow did this ball help me out. it is a very forgiving ball but it will soak up the oil if you use it on heavy oil. I have mine drilled to go a little long and and snap hard. and after almost 10 years it is still my ball i go to when nothing else works, and yes it still hooks (resurfaced just once and never sanded). I will have my pro shop look at it and tell how he drilled it and then if you want i can let you know, sounds like we throw the same kind of ball. I throw a med hook and not alot of revs about 14 mph. The proshop here drilled a few of them balls so if you want i see what i can find out about it. good luck

[TenPinSniper]

My High Rev is drill Label Leverage. Pin around or above ringer finger with the cg in the middle of the grip.

[DamHammer]

I have other Hammer balls but recently a friend of mine told me had an old original Hammer 3d-Offset High Rev ball that he no longer used.

He said it was the older version of the “High Rev” ball not the actuall High Rev. I sqw that the newer High Rev bright pink bowling ball is listed on the Hammer website as a "Retired Ball" but the original 3d-Offset High Rev is NOT listed on that section.

I ended up buying it from him for $15. I've been using it for about 10 days. I love it but I really have no idea how to properly use it. I’m having a tough time consistently hitting the pocket but when I do, it’s a strike every time.

I am a mid-speed, low-rev bowler. I use a classic-stroker style and my league bowls at an alley with wood lanes that usually have medium oil conditions.

I haven’t re-drilled this ball yet, just using his hand layout which is similar to mine. I will take it to my guy on Wednesday to get it plugged and drilled. Before I do that, I have a few questions for you guys here on the board...

1) Where can I find drilling instructions and layouts for this ball? Do you have any recommendations for drilling this ball?

2) The Hammer 3d-Offset over hooks in dryer conditions substantially. Is there a way to avoid?

3) This is the most important question I have, I notice on the Hammer website there are diagrams for each ball showing the motion and break point down the lane. The diagrams show what mark I should use and where on the lane it’ll break back towards the pocket. Can I find that diagram anywhere online for that older 3d-Offset ball?

I know that the mark and release point will change for each bowler but I like the diagrams because they simply give me a decent idea of where to start and from there I can make my adjustments. Does the Hammer website have this type of diagram for this ball? If not, where can I find it?

Trying to get a clear picture of what original 3D you have, - what is the color of the ball.

[kennethortiz]

Trying to get a clear picture of what original 3D you have, - what is the color of the ball.

I believe it's basically the Hammer 3d-Offset High Rev ball... it's a deep pink, and fusia type of color

[bluerrpilot]

I believe it's basically the Hammer 3d-Offset High Rev ball... it's a deep pink, and fusia type of color

Does it look like this:
http://members.cox.net/bluerrpilot/3D%20(Small).JPG

for me this ball has a very smooth arc to it. Even if it hits dry, it doesnt over-react. It does have a pretty good polish on it. It has been plugged once as you can see.

I would like to find a 15lb one. Im stepping my stuff down from 16lb and would like to keep this ball.

[hammeredinkansas]

I have an old '98 or '99 3-D Offset, dark blue with yellow lettering (what's left on the ball anyway). I finally retired it last night. Just bought a Black Widow and there's only room for two balls in my locker. I have a Roto Grip RS-1 for when the lanes dry out (shhh...don't tell the Hammer folks). I kept the old 3-D for nights when nothing else worked. It was given to my by a friend, but I didn't know enough back then to have it drilled properly for me. Earlier this year, I finally decided to have that done, but didn't know where to get drilling layouts for an old retired ball. The guys at Hammer, especially Brian Graham, were a big help. Brian pointed me to www.bowlingballreviews.com. They have a section for archived reviews. He also informed me that although the 3-D was a great ball back in the day, it has a hard time keeping up with todays oil. It's still a great light-medium oil ball though. Brian, or one of the other techs, can also help with the drilling layout. Just email the techs at Hammer, tell them how you throw the ball, and they'll tell you what you need to do. Take their advice to your pro and there ya go. The 3-D's coverstock can be altered as well. It's a very versatile and reliable ball. Dang, I may have to rent two lockers and bring it back out of retirement!

[grayfin68]

I have the same 3D Axis ball you are talking about. It's not the fuscia high reve ball. This ball is more along the lines of a pinkish red color with yellow lettering and has a flat finish.

I just bought a new Hammer Pain which is also meant for medium to oily conditions. Both balls work in those conditions, but are difficult on dry lanes. The Pain breaks a lot more though. I'd say a good three boards.

As far as set up is concerned, I just had mine set up pretty standard for my style. I'm a tweener (at least that's what my pro told me how he'd classify me).

[mongoliantreesloth]

If it's a deep pink/fuschia colour it's probably a 3D Offset Violet. If it is, Hammer send me this link for drilling instructions
http://hammerbowling.com/tech_info/detail.php?drilling=Drilling%20Instructions%207

Have a look here for the ball. Is yours the 4th or 5th one down?
http://www.epinions.com/sprt-All-Bowling-Faball

[Lenny360]

I sold a hawg zilla, black widow and angular one because they couldn't match up as well with my game. I just rolled a 280, 212, 256 this morning with this ball on medium heavy oil league shot.

Here's mine (I've had this since it came out in the 90s):

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/2121/rev7lt.jpg

[kennethortiz]

i have the same ball as lenny360 has posted here....

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanx for the info guys