fingertip positions

[Curacao_Dejavu]

Hi again,

need some help to gather some information about the influence of fingertips holds.
1 cote, 1.5 cotes, and 2 cotes and the influence that they have one throwing a ball straight or in a curve.
Also some exercises to train the fingertips to strenghten them. ( not chinese style push ups)

Leopold

[Rowdy]

Hi again,

need some help to gather some information about the influence of fingertips holds.
1 cote, 1.5 cotes, and 2 cotes and the influence that they have one throwing a ball straight or in a curve.
Also some exercises to train the fingertips to strenghten them. ( not chinese style push ups)

Leopold

Okay,I'll be the guinea pig here,what's a "cote"??? Inquiring minds want to know.

[idlehourlegend]

Okay,I'll be the guinea pig here,what's a "cote"??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Was wondering the exact same thing but didn't want to go out on the ledge.

[Rowdy]

Was wondering the exact same thing but didn't want to go out on the ledge.

Well now,just let me scoot over and make some room for you out here on the ledge......

[BubbaRay]

I'm with both of you. All I can say is , move over and make room for me.:confused:

[Rowdy]

I'm with both of you. All I can say is , move over and make room for me.:confused:

Jeez,this ledge is getting crowded. Sure hope Leopold shows up soon.......

[slap]

if he doesn't this whole forum is going to be on the ledge.

[Rowdy]

if he doesn't this whole forum is going to be on the ledge.

If I scoot down just a little more I belive we got room for one more out here on the ledge,you want to join us???

[Thepainscoming]

Haha I Took Slaps Spot On The Ledge

[slap]

you ledge hog!

[BubbaRay]

The ledge is full now :eek: No one move

[idlehourlegend]

Im afraid of heights!!!!:eek: Leopold please help us....

[BubbaRay]

and it'sa Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong way down. :eek:

[BubbaRay]

Well I had to do it. I looked up the word cote. Here are some different deffinitions,

NOUN (1)

1. a small shelter for domestic animals (as sheep or pigeons);

The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48:
1. To cite, as a passage from some author; to name, repeat,
or adduce, as a passage from an author or speaker, by way
of authority or illustration; as, to quote a passage

1. A cottage or hut. [Obs.]
[1913 Webster]

2. A shed, shelter, or inclosure for small domestic animals,
as for sheep or doves.
[1913 Webster]

Watching where shepherds pen their flocks, at eve,
In hurdled cotes. --Milton.
[1913 Webster]


Cote \Cote\, v. t. [Prob. from F. c[^o]t['e] side, OF. costet,
LL. costatus, costatum, fr. L. costu rib, side: cf. F.
c[^o]toyer to go or keep at the side of. See Coast.]
To go side by side with; hence, to pass by; to outrun and get
before; as, a dog cotes a hare. [Obs.] --Drayton.
[1913 Webster]

We coted them on the way, and hither are they coming

[Thepainscoming]

Guys do u hear something cracking???:eek:

[JaraTo]

I put my foot out there just a little to test the hold of where you all are sitting, sorry I'll step back.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

wow.
one day not checking the board, and ................

ok.
let's call it the 3 segments of your fingers. I do not know the term in english.

I was going through the bowling balls and noticed that not on all balls I could insert my fingers all the way through the first segment, There is some slight difference. Also I remember then on the houseballs I was able to insert my fingers 2 segments in the ball, and I was throwing straight at that time.
Also now I noticed that probably my biggest mistakes are not inserting the fingers and the thumb all the way in, thus leaving some space at the thumb and probably by not abeing able to insert the first segment in, i am not able to generate spinning effect on the ball.

Today during the tournament I was doing that and the NM was hooking a lot, now I have to start controlling and being constant with that I making those spares.

Wondering what the impact is on not being able to fully insert your fingers.
I saw on a video that there is supposed to be only a very small space between your hand and the ball, I am guessing the more room you leave the more margin for errors you are creating while making a shot ??

Is that also called span ?

I thinks that's all for now.
Hope the answers also are lining up.

Leopold

[BubbaRay]

Thank you for defining what you meant. That ledge was getting awfull weak. :D

There are three joints on each - the knuckle joints, the mid-joints, and the fingertip joints.) When starting out, it is best to use what is termed as the "conventional" (think "regular" or "standard") grip. Place your thumb completely into the thumb hole so that the knuckle joint is in line with the edge of the thumb hole, lay your palm on the surface of the ball with your fingers resting over the finger holes and the mid-joints are in line with the bottom edge of the finger holes(do not purposely stretch the fingers over the holes because we want a natural, easy grip).

This technique of putting your thumb in first is actually opposite of how you will pick up and grip the ball in preparation for rolling it down the lane each time you bowl. The way to pick up and grip your ball each time is to put your fingers into the holes up to the mid-joints first, then ease your thumb into the thumb hole. Your grip should feel snug (and perhaps a little loose) but never tight fitting. You would do the same for a finger tip grip except use the finger tip joint. You should only have room enough for a pencil between your palm and the ball surface. You now have a properly fitting bowling ball.

The conventional grip
If you have ever used a house ball at the bowling alley then you are familiar with the conventional grip. In this type of grip, the fingers and thumb are inserted into the bowling ball up to the second knuckle joints. Typically, it is recommended that bowlers learn this type of grip when they first start bowing because it is the easiest grip to use and it provides the most control on the ball. This grip also provides a greater feeling of security and confidence


The fingertip grip
In the fingertip grip, the fingers are inserted into the ball only up to the first knucke joint. This increases the distance between the fingers and the thumb which gives the fingers more time in the ball. Because the fingers stay in the ball longer, more 'lift' is given to the ball giving it more power when it hits the pins.

The fingertip grip is harder to control than the conventional grip but gives more power when the ball hits the pins because of the spin that is imparted on the ball. More strength and control is needed when using the fingertip grip so it should not be used until a bowler has reached full control over the conventional grip.

The semi-fingertip grip
The semi-fingertip grip is very similar to the fingertip grip with one slight difference. The fingers are inserted into the ball so that the lip of the finger hole is halfway between the first and second knuckle. The extra bit of finger in the ball gives more feeling of security as the conventional grip while still having the power of the fingertip grip. One drawback is trying to maintain the grip so it doesn't slip to the first knuckle.

[Curacao_Dejavu]

reading and re-reading the same thing helps a lot, some bulbs are lightening up in my head.

the conventional grip: it provides the most control on the ball

the fingertip grip:
The fingertip grip is harder to control than the conventional grip but gives more power when the ball hits the pins because of the spin that is imparted on the ball. More strength and control is needed when using the fingertip grip so it should not be used until a bowler has reached full control over the conventional grip

reading this I would stay I am in the middle in the transistion.
When I was bowling in the evening, before joining a league I was throwing 200+ a lot , without applying oil etc so the control was there (did not even know that all these type of lane layouts existed at that point of time)

Now my question is, with all these types of new balls, cores, surface and other techniques, is there still a valid reason to use the finger tip grip as opposed the conventional grip.
Are there pro's that are using the conventional or the semi fingertip grip ?

Leopold

[BubbaRay]

=Curacao_Dejavu

Now my question is, with all these types of new balls, cores, surface and other techniques, is there still a valid reason to use the finger tip grip as opposed the conventional grip.

The resaons still apply today even with the agressive coverstocks and cores of today.

[Rowdy]

We coted them on the way, and hither are they coming

"Hither"??? You DARE to use the word "hither" with us??? A bit highbrow,don't you think old chap??? What's next,driving on the wrong side of the road???:eek: Tea in the afternoon??? Crumpets??? (Whatever they are.) Sticking your pinky out while you drink a beer on league night???

If there was a bowling version of ladie's tee's we'd make you roll from there for that "hither" crap.....

[Rowdy]

Guys do u hear something cracking???:eek:

Izzat some kind of weight crack there,kid??? Are you implying we've added a few punds in our advancing years??? Hmm??? Well??? We're waiting.......

Kids.

[Rowdy]

Thank you for defining what you meant. That ledge was getting awfull weak. :D

There are three joints on each - the knuckle joints, the mid-joints, and the fingertip joints.) When starting out, it is best to use what is termed as the "conventional" (think "regular" or "standard") grip. Place your thumb completely into the thumb hole so that the knuckle joint is in line with the edge of the thumb hole, lay your palm on the surface of the ball with your fingers resting over the finger holes and the mid-joints are in line with the bottom edge of the finger holes(do not purposely stretch the fingers over the holes because we want a natural, easy grip).

This technique of putting your thumb in first is actually opposite of how you will pick up and grip the ball in preparation for rolling it down the lane each time you bowl. The way to pick up and grip your ball each time is to put your fingers into the holes up to the mid-joints first, then ease your thumb into the thumb hole. Your grip should feel snug (and perhaps a little loose) but never tight fitting. You would do the same for a finger tip grip except use the finger tip joint. You should only have room enough for a pencil between your palm and the ball surface. You now have a properly fitting bowling ball.

The conventional grip
If you have ever used a house ball at the bowling alley then you are familiar with the conventional grip. In this type of grip, the fingers and thumb are inserted into the bowling ball up to the second knuckle joints. Typically, it is recommended that bowlers learn this type of grip when they first start bowing because it is the easiest grip to use and it provides the most control on the ball. This grip also provides a greater feeling of security and confidence


The fingertip grip
In the fingertip grip, the fingers are inserted into the ball only up to the first knucke joint. This increases the distance between the fingers and the thumb which gives the fingers more time in the ball. Because the fingers stay in the ball longer, more 'lift' is given to the ball giving it more power when it hits the pins.

The fingertip grip is harder to control than the conventional grip but gives more power when the ball hits the pins because of the spin that is imparted on the ball. More strength and control is needed when using the fingertip grip so it should not be used until a bowler has reached full control over the conventional grip.

The semi-fingertip grip
The semi-fingertip grip is very similar to the fingertip grip with one slight difference. The fingers are inserted into the ball so that the lip of the finger hole is halfway between the first and second knuckle. The extra bit of finger in the ball gives more feeling of security as the conventional grip while still having the power of the fingertip grip. One drawback is trying to maintain the grip so it doesn't slip to the first knuckle.

What do you call a grip where you have the fingers inserted into the ball between the first knuckle and the tip of the finger???

[idlehourlegend]

What do you call a grip where you have the fingers inserted into the ball between the first knuckle and the tip of the finger???

Was wondering the same thing cause thats how mine are in. Back to the ledge Rowdy.:D

[Rowdy]

Was wondering the same thing cause thats how mine are in. Back to the ledge Rowdy.:D

AGAIN??? Man,it's gonna get crowded out here,I just know it.

[Thepainscoming]

Izzat some kind of weight crack there,kid??? Are you implying we've added a few punds in our advancing years??? Hmm??? Well??? We're waiting.......

Kids.

Um...Maybe...:p

[Curacao_Dejavu]

this is reminding me of the game lemmings.

Leopold

[idlehourlegend]

this is reminding me of the game lemmings.

Leopold

What is lemmings? Does it involve cotes?:D

[JaraTo]

:eek: WHA? You've never seen that game before?

[Curacao_Dejavu]

it's a pc game.

What is Lemmings?
Lemmings is a puzzle game in which the goal is to guide a certain number of Lemmings to the exit on each level. The Lemmings enter the level through one or more hatches somewhere on the level. They can be assigned skill that are used to help them get to the exit. The levels get progressively harder, with some of the last levels being VERY difficult. Many of the level names in Lemmings are hidden references to other things as detailed on this page.

just noticed there is a lemmingsuniverse website.

it's used to be a very simple but addictive game,
you had to bring or rescue those lemmings from one place to another, and they can be so stupid sometimes.

you can download some demos, I used to play the dos versions.

Leopold

[Curacao_Dejavu]

I have been re-reading that artickle (trying to piece things together)

what's strong finger position ?
Do you have to grab the ball ?, are the fingers suppose to be relaxed ?


It's mentioned several places that the weight of the ball has to be on the other hand when starting your approach. I do not understand the benefit of this. If the motion is a pendular swing why not have the weight of the ball on your bowling hand and let the gravity to it's work, instead of "transferring" the weight to you bowling hand and then do the pendular swing thing. Also it seems to me that you are creating a possibility to swing a bit sideways if you are not precise while transferring the weight from one hand to the other and then do the swing.

Leopold

[Curacao_Dejavu]

?? guy's ??

I haven't received any feedback from my previous post.

Leopold

[Stampy79]

A grip where the fingertips are only half way in the ball is called "TOO LONG"