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BubbaRay
07-18-2008, 07:42 AM
System will be another tool to help bowling coaches teach the sport


Continuing to advance the sport of bowling through better coaching techniques, the United States Bowling Congress is developing a more modern and flexible system of measuring timing for bowlers. Timing is the relationship between the bowling ball's location during the swing and a bowler's steps during the approach and delivery.

Devised by the USBC Coaching staff, the new method will more precisely than ever measure and classify the positions of a bowling ball during the swing relative to the bowler's footsteps. Those new categories will replace terminology that many believe is inaccurate and outdated for contemporary bowler styles.

Eventually the measurement formula will be incorporated into USBC Coaching certification courses. The idea is that USBC coaches will use the new system to better teach bowlers how to play the game.

"This new system of measuring and organizing timing points during the approach will enable bowling coaches to create better leverage for their athletes at the foul line, especially those who use a more modern, powerful style," said Junior Team USA head coach and USBC Gold coach Rod Ross.
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For decades, timing for bowlers generally has been classified into three categories: 'early' timing (the ball arrives at the foul line before the slide foot stops), 'late' timing (the ball arrives at the foul line after the slide foot stops) and 'perfect' timing (the slide foot and ball arrive together at the foul line).

The new USBC system includes terms such as 'leverage timing' (formerly late timing) to describe a bowler who releases the ball after the slide foot has come to a complete stop and 'roller timing' (formerly early timing) to portray a bowler who releases the ball onto the lane in a smoother fashion. The new system categorizes the locations of a bowling ball and feet in a series of zones depending on the location of the ball in the swing during each step. The terms also emphasize the fact that correct timing may be different for each bowler.

"Describing a bowler as having 'early' or 'late' timing carries negative connotations," said Co-Director of USBC Coaching David Garber. "It implies that the timing is bad and needs to be corrected. That is not necessarily the case. When looking at other factors in a bowler's delivery, the timing may be right for that person."
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Power is an essential element in the games of many of today's top bowlers. But those players may generate that power using different types of timing. For example, Denny's PBA Tour stars Tommy Jones and Jason Couch find that the best way to create maximum revs, ball speed and entry angle is by using 'leverage' (formerly late) timing. Conversely, PBA Hall of Famer Pete Weber generates tremendous revs and hitting power with 'roller' (formerly early) timing.

"In the sport of bowling, good timing, leverage and repeating your shots are keys to success," said Ross, who recently was named head coach of the USBC International Training Center, which will be built in Arlington, Texas. "Bowlers must achieve a balanced leverage position at the foul line to deliver a bowling ball with consistent speed, rotation and accuracy. That requires bowlers to have proper timing to coordinate their steps with the ball swing during the approach. Proper timing will vary from bowler to bowler."

"This system represents how the scientific side of coaching in bowling helps coaches teach their students more effectively," Ross said.

"USBC believes this system better reflects today's bowlers and the modern form of the sport," Ross said. "This is another tool that USBC coaches will have in their toolboxes when giving lessons. Coaches will have more specific data to work with when trying to teach their students to improve their bowling skills. The ultimate goal is to have more bowlers enjoying the sport and bowling better. That helps grow bowling. "

idlehourlegend
07-19-2008, 03:00 PM
Good Read, but International Training Center being built, I take it as we're going to be paying for that, wouldnt be surprised to see sanction fees go up $5 or more this year.

Rowdy
07-19-2008, 03:08 PM
Good Read, but International Training Center being built, I take it as we're going to be paying for that, wouldnt be surprised to see sanction fees go up $5 or more this year.

No doubt.

Now we'll have new bowlers calling their timing one thing while we will all be still using the old terms. Confusion will be the order of the day. Coaches will have to learn to use the correct term depending on when the bowler started bowling. Great,just great. Like this deal already isn't hard enough.

idlehourlegend
07-19-2008, 03:15 PM
No doubt.

Now we'll have new bowlers calling their timing one thing while we will all be still using the old terms. Confusion will be the order of the day. Coaches will have to learn to use the correct term depending on when the bowler started bowling. Great,just great. Like this deal already isn't hard enough.

Yea, we're going to have reminders for us on the message boards when giving advice to bowlers so started pre July 18th 2008 its late and early timing, for bowlers post July 18th its Leverage and Roller timing, should be interesting.

Dave34
07-19-2008, 03:20 PM
So now instead of saying that I don't slide well I can just say I'm using Leverage Timing, lol.

Rowdy
07-19-2008, 03:23 PM
Yea, we're going to have reminders for us on the message boards when giving advice to bowlers so started pre July 18th 2008 its late and early timing, for bowlers post July 18th its Leverage and Roller timing, should be interesting.

More like a pain in the a.......

"Hi. My coach says I have Roller timing but I want to have Leverage instead. How can I do that with my Gee-Whiz Screaming Hooker Tour ball without drilling it? There's oil on the lane,but I have no idea how much or what the pattern is. I don't know my revs or how fast I throw the ball. But everyone says you guys have all the answers,so what should I do???"

Dear God, what did we do to someone to deserve THIS???

Curacao_Dejavu
07-19-2008, 05:22 PM
More like a pain in the a.......

"Hi. My coach says I have Roller timing but I want to have Leverage instead. How can I do that with my Gee-Whiz Screaming Hooker Tour ball without drilling it? There's oil on the lane,but I have no idea how much or what the pattern is. I don't know my revs or how fast I throw the ball. But everyone says you guys have all the answers,so what should I do???"

Dear God, what did we do to someone to deserve THIS???

40 years of experience ???

ek11sx
07-20-2008, 08:08 PM
i hope the new bowlers try to get a coach to become good and not try to do everything themselves. with the new timing thing its going to be like a 4 bagger hambone deal, newbies will be using the hambones while they are dazed and confused when we say we got a 4 bagger.

Green Bay Coach
07-20-2008, 11:31 PM
So now we can teach a "Right - Wrong" release and a "Wrong - Right" release???

Rowdy
07-21-2008, 05:26 AM
According to The All Knowing Powers That Be at the USBC,there is no such thing as right or wrong timing anymore.

What's next??? No right or wrong swing to go with the,"It ain't your fault" timing???

I guess it's teach whatever works for you and call it whatever you want,when you want. Presto! Now it ain't the coaches fault if the bowler doesn't get any better after years of lessons!

Another value-laden idea from those fine folks at the USBC!!!

See Idle,you DO get something for all those dues you cough up each week.:)

idlehourlegend
07-21-2008, 09:09 AM
According to The All Knowing Powers That Be at the USBC,there is no such thing as right or wrong timing anymore.

What's next??? No right or wrong swing to go with the,"It ain't your fault" timing???

I guess it's teach whatever works for you and call it whatever you want,when you want. Presto! Now it ain't the coaches fault if the bowler doesn't get any better after years of lessons!

Another value-laden idea from those fine folks at the USBC!!!

See Idle,you DO get something for all those dues you cough up each week.:)

Yes you do, instead of doing tests to see how to fix the timing they tell us its fine and give it a name. Spectacular.:D

Curacao_Dejavu
07-21-2008, 09:13 AM
i hope the new bowlers try to get a coach to become good and not try to do everything themselves. with the new timing thing its going to be like a 4 bagger hambone deal, newbies will be using the hambones while they are dazed and confused when we say we got a 4 bagger.

from bowl.com

Q. What is the origin of the term "Dutch 200?"

A. The Dutch 200 refers to a game in which strikes and spares are alternated. The term is believed to be a take-off of "Dutch treat" where two people share the cost of a date. Strikes and spares share the game in alternate frames in a "Dutch treat 200" manner which with usage was reduced to "Dutch 200."

Q. What is the origin of the term "Brooklyn strike?"

A. This refers to shots that "crosses over" the 1-3 pocket for right-handers and 1-2 for left-handers and produces a strike. It originated in New York where people would "cross over" to Brooklyn from Manhattan. A side term "Jersey side" references left-handers and refers to people crossing over from Manhattan to New Jersey.

Q. What is the origin of the term "Turkey?"

A. The term dates back to before the turn of the 20th century. In those years, scoring was much more difficult and to get three strikes in a row was quite an achievement. During Thanksgiving or Christmas week, the proprietor would present a live turkey to the first person on each team who scored three consecutive strikes. The term has carried over ever since.

wikipedia
Two consecutive strikes are referred to as a "double." Three strikes bowled consecutively are known as a "turkey" or "triple." Any longer string of strikes is referred to by a number affixed to the word "bagger," as in "four-bagger" (four baggers are also known as "hambones") or "five-bagger" for four or five consecutive strikes. This terminology is used most often when a bowler is "off the strikes." (i.e. has previously bowled a string of several strikes but failed to strike on his most recent ball.) When a player is "on the strikes," a string is often referenced by affixing "in a row" to the number of strikes bowled consecutively. Six strikes in a row are sometimes referred to as a "six pack."[1][2] 6 strikes and 9 strikes in a row can also be referred to "Wild Turkeys" and "Golden Turkeys" respectively. Any string of strikes starting in the first frame or ending "off the sheet" (where all of a bowler's shots from a certain frame to the end of the game strike) are often referred to as the "front" or "back" strikes, respectively (e.g. the 'front nine' for strikes in frames 1-9, or the 'back six' for strikes in frames 7, 8, and 9 with a turkey in the tenth). A perfect game or 12 strikes in a row is also colloquially referred to as the "Thanksgiving Turkey."

Curacao_Dejavu
07-21-2008, 09:21 AM
it's not anymore,
when your backward swing reach the it's maximum height, but when your swing becomes "idle" then you start your forward swing.

if you become known enough you can have your own name attached to you swing/stand/throw and can start earning royalties on it's use.:)

Leopold

Rowdy
07-24-2008, 01:06 PM
Yes you do, instead of doing tests to see how to fix the timing they tell us its fine and give it a name. Spectacular.:D

This'll make being a coach much easier now. Nothing to fix,just fit the game to the timing. Whoopie!!!

TenPinSniper
07-29-2008, 10:54 PM
This'll make being a coach much easier now. Nothing to fix,just fit the game to the timing. Whoopie!!!

Honestly, this has been going on for some time now. Sometimes the path of least resistance.

Seriously though look at the Pro's, how many of have what is referred to as perfect timing... and average atleast one win a season, heck even make match play.

This game is all about doing the samethings consistently. So if you have a bowler is consistently arrives at the line with late/leverage timing or early/roller timing. Why not work with that to see if you can use that as a base to achieve repeatable shot making skills? Yeah sure we all would love to look like favorite PBA Stars behind the line no matter the style, but if we can achieve consistency shot making... does it matter what it looks like? Honestly I'm more concerned with repeating good shots that provide good ball reaction.

Back in the day dropping the shoulder was a horrible habit in general, today it's not viewed as bad habit in general.

Rowdy
08-04-2008, 02:10 AM
Honestly, this has been going on for some time now. Sometimes the path of least resistance.

Seriously though look at the Pro's, how many of have what is referred to as perfect timing... and average atleast one win a season, heck even make match play.

This game is all about doing the samethings consistently. So if you have a bowler is consistently arrives at the line with late/leverage timing or early/roller timing. Why not work with that to see if you can use that as a base to achieve repeatable shot making skills? Yeah sure we all would love to look like favorite PBA Stars behind the line no matter the style, but if we can achieve consistency shot making... does it matter what it looks like? Honestly I'm more concerned with repeating good shots that provide good ball reaction.

Back in the day dropping the shoulder was a horrible habit in general, today it's not viewed as bad habit in general.

Back in the day there was NO perfect swing. Okay,Dick Weber had one. But that was it. He had some deal going on with God,so he got that swing. All of the top pro's had some kind of identifing thing in their swing. Look at Don Carter. Low pushaway,crooked arm,no backswing to speak of and a follow through that any 80 year old lady could get higher than. You wouldn't teach that swing to your worst enemy,but he won a ton of tournaments with it.

Bowling swings are just like golf swings and we all know there's more than one way to hit a golf ball long and straight. Check out Jim Furyk's swing for proof of that.

I've always had the opinion that as long as you get in the proper position just before,during and after release,the rest of it doesn't matter one bit AS LONG AS IT'S REPEATABLE!!! Bowling or golf,the guys who win have the grooved move going on that week. This is why I try to get as many moving parts out of my swing as possible. The less there is to move,the less there is that can get out of whack and screw up my shot.

TenPinSniper
08-07-2008, 01:36 AM
Think we generally agree, just different ways of saying it. Sure we probably see thing different and thats fine. Hope you don't think, that i was say there is only a few ways be good.

The funny thing is I was working with my coach... which I already knew this... but it's pretty funny.. well kinda.

Your timing, footwork and balance is good, but your swing needs some work. It's been creating some inconsistencies. But hopefully what he told me is going to work. I really like when I don't rush things... it has effected a few other things, but as I get consistent with this I think they get worked out.

Rowdy
08-07-2008, 02:45 AM
I really like when I don't rush things...

Amen. I've slowed WAY down getting to the foul line. Funny thing is the revs and ball speed are UP because I'm staying behind the ball at release a lot better now. That and I totally changed my grip pressure to about zero,since I'm walking slower I don't have to worry about the ball flying off my hand anymore.