Returning The Glory......

[Rowdy]

To a 300 game. We were "bench bowling" after the league tonight and we were all trying to figure out the easiest way to return the 300 game to it's former glory.

We didn't want to change the ball.

We didn't want to make the lane longer....or wider.

We didn't want to trick up the oil any more than it already is.

Which gave me a bright idea,(Light bulb going on over head...Bing!)

The pins. Take out the holes in the bottom half of the pin and return it to it's former weight. Heavier. Not flying all over the place.

Since when should a really light hit be rewarded with a strike??? It shouldn't.

The heavier pin will get rid of those,"cheap",strikes and make putting the ball solidly in the pocket the goal.

We figure that the heavy pin will get rid of 50-75% of the 300 games being rolled today.

Now,how to get the USBC on board..........

[No Mercy07]

I'm with you on this...

Forget these patterns!

[Young300]

I think that is a good idea as well. I bowled with those old-gold PBA pins one time at my home center, and man, does 2-4 oz's make a big difference!

[idlehourlegend]

I like the idea too Rowdy. Sounds like one way to do it.

[Lonewolf300800]

count me in Rowdy, you should start an online petition for everyone to sign then present it the the bigwigs at USBC....great idea!

[Rowdy]

Simple. I'll just tell the USBC to figure out how much cash they'll save on awards. That'll do the trick.

[steveo#3]

I am in full agreeance on this.I saw a guy hit 300 this past year and I'll tell ya , he must have 4 different lines he was using because it was the ugliest game ever. However I understand the USBC needs high scores to entice new bowlers to come into the sport. Maybe if they implement a system based on the type of league to determine awards. THS leagues can get one ring, Sport leagues can get 3-5 rings and PBA Experience leagues can as many as they qualify for or even per oil pattern. Like a viper ring etc.

[Thepainscoming]

no offense stevo, but sport leagues are usually harder than pba leagues.

[Rowdy]

However I understand the USBC needs high scores to entice new bowlers to come into the sport.

No they don't. This arguement has no merit at all. That would be like the USGA getting rid of sandtraps,out of bounds and water hazards so you could shoot par golf from your first day on the links. Go ahead,write the USGA and see how far that idea flies.

Either you like to bowl or you don't. Simple as that. You should have to make an investment in equipment and practice time to be rewarded with higher scores. If we use the above logic,any clown with rental shoes and a houseball should be able to go 200 plus.

Let's make the game HARDER,not easier. Since the balls are on steriods and the lanes are slicker than a swampland salesman in Florida,the only thing left to do is make the pins the weight they used to be. Used to be,not heavier. The USBC made the pins lighter to increase scoring and up the number of bowlers. Well now,how did that work out for everybody??? Not too good,huh???

The scores did indeed go up,but the number of bowlers didn't. Wait one,wasn't that the original arguement??? Well then,expieriment concluded and the results are in. Higher scores do NOT result in more bowlers taking up the sport.

Bet it has something to do with just liking the game. Simple as that.

[Rowdy]

no offense stevo, but sport leagues are usually harder than pba leagues.

Don't even try peddling that mess here. Since the oil patterns are the same,how can one be harder than the other???

[blistershurt]

Don't even try peddling that mess here. Since the oil patterns are the same,how can one be harder than the other???

Sport pattersn are different from PBA shots, PBA shots all have a ratio of oil that can change because they dont have a set one, like sport shots do. PBA shots are only sport certified, meaning they are sport shots, but when you say what Pain did, he is saying that the other sport shots are harder than PBA shots.

[Rowdy]

PBA shots are only sport certified, meaning they are sport shots

I rest my case.:)

Funny how you get USBC sport awards for scores rolled in a PBA league too. How's that work if thier not the same???

[slap]

certified pba experience leagues are a part of the usbc sport bowling program. bowling in one of these does not make you a member of the pba.

[blistershurt]

I rest my case.:)

Funny how you get USBC sport awards for scores rolled in a PBA league too. How's that work if thier not the same???

....you are missing the point. THEY ARE SPORT SHOTS
Buuuuut....when someone says they bowled on a sport pattern, they are reffering to the patterns that ARENT PBA shots, and ARE sport shots, they all have a higher oil volume than PBA shots typically too, from what I've heard, and there are MANY more of them than PBA shots.

[Thepainscoming]

thank you blisters, and most sport shots that u bowl in regular sport leagues are flatter and harder than pba shots.

[blistershurt]

thank you blisters, and most sport shots that u bowl in regular sport leagues are flatter and harder than pba shots.
I knew what you meant and i hate it when people pick and choose things to warp things their way...
I would totally agree with you Pain, I bowled on a reverse block sport pattern last year, and a very flat 40 foot pattern with A LOT of oil, I couldnt get my Anger to roll on it when I threw it on that, I had to revert to throwing 20 to 15 and back

[Thepainscoming]

yea its a very hard pattern to bowl on, i also hate when people post things and are very stern about it, and their wrong.

[idlehourlegend]

I knew what you meant and i hate it when people pick and choose things to warp things their way...
I would totally agree with you Pain, I bowled on a reverse block sport pattern last year, and a very flat 40 foot pattern with A LOT of oil, I couldnt get my Anger to roll on it when I threw it on that, I had to revert to throwing 20 to 15 and back

Reverse block sport pattern sounds like the US Open pattern to me basically the same thing, was the 40 foot pattern dry inside of 15 by any chance?

[Thepainscoming]

idle i know what ur talking about, although it doesn't seem to start like that, just how it breaks down thats what it turns into mostly.

[idlehourlegend]

idle i know what ur talking about, although it doesn't seem to start like that, just how it breaks down thats what it turns into mostly.

Yea it does break down that way, doesnt take long for that pattern to break down really quick either. It starts drier inside even though they say its flat, every time I bowled on it, at different houses/lane surfaces etc. it always played like that really fast.

[blistershurt]

Reverse block sport pattern sounds like the US Open pattern to me basically the same thing, was the 40 foot pattern dry inside of 15 by any chance?

What i threw on was bone dry inside of 10 and was flooded on the outside. I ended up having to throw straight up the 3 to find pocket.

US Open is different, I asked the guy who oiled the lanes that day and he said it wasnt the US Open

[idlehourlegend]

What i threw on was bone dry inside of 10 and was flooded on the outside. I ended up having to throw straight up the 3 to find pocket.

US Open is different, I asked the guy who oiled the lanes that day and he said it wasnt the US Open

Sounds a little different because theres no way straight up 3 would come back on the US Open pattern so with that hes right. But other wise sounds close.

[Thepainscoming]

idle i went up 5 to start the tourny i had on that shot, it went away after the first game, what happens is that everyone plays inside, and pushes the oil out while drying up the middle at the same time which in turn creates the reverse block.

[idlehourlegend]

idle i went up 5 to start the tourny i had on that shot, it went away after the first game, what happens is that everyone plays inside, and pushes the oil out while drying up the middle at the same time which in turn creates the reverse block.

Yea I played in till it was really dry then played the solid up 10 which was a lot more consistent but it was either hit 10 and strike or hit 9 and get 6, so wasnt the best.

[Thepainscoming]

yea definetly i just was stubborn to move in and failed epicly.

[blistershurt]

Sounds a little different because theres no way straight up 3 would come back on the US Open pattern so with that hes right. But other wise sounds close.

Trust me, there was NO line, I had to throw almost half of my speed out there in order to make it come back, after throwing on PBA shots and some miscellaneous sport stuff, I'd say the misc. sport stuff is much harder, more volume.

[Rowdy]

....you are missing the point. THEY ARE SPORT SHOTS
Buuuuut....when someone says they bowled on a sport pattern, they are reffering to the patterns that ARENT PBA shots, and ARE sport shots, they all have a higher oil volume than PBA shots typically too, from what I've heard, and there are MANY more of them than PBA shots.

Well,let's see here,accord to Bubba's post on whatever in the hell you want to call these oil patterns,there is no such thing as a "standard" Shark,Viper etc.

You gets what you gets as far as a pattern goes. Volume,ratio who gives a.......if you're going to call the pattern by one of the five known names and give out USBC awards for shooting on them,then they become sport,PBA whatever patterns.

This is all just labeling anyway. Tell me whats out there and I'll figure out how to roll on it.

[TenPinSniper]

My PBA League has 17 Weeks, so after...
3 Weeks on each of the Chameleon, Cheetah, Shark, Scorpion and Viper.
We got a 39ft Surprise Pattern.
We came in the Week 16, first we where told it was a blend of all the patterns. Then we where told this pattern volume is 20 units of oil for the first 22ft and 10 untis to 39ft. Gutter to Gutter 1:1 Ratio. Talk about Fun.

Honestly after talking with our League President and Lane Man. Here is what he told about the USBC-PBA Experience Program. They give you the generic numbers for your machine to get the ratio and general shape. They do not tell you units, volume, etc., thats for the house to figure out. They give you some ideal on what to use, but they are ideals only.

So as long as the pattern is Sport Compliant at 2" from the end of the Pattern and 22" Tapes, that you send or transmit to the USBC, your good to go. Believe it 22" for the first tape.

[blistershurt]

Well,let's see here,accord to Bubba's post on whatever in the hell you want to call these oil patterns,there is no such thing as a "standard" Shark,Viper etc.

You gets what you gets as far as a pattern goes. Volume,ratio who gives a.......if you're going to call the pattern by one of the five known names and give out USBC awards for shooting on them,then they become sport,PBA whatever patterns.

This is all just labeling anyway. Tell me whats out there and I'll figure out how to roll on it.

Yes, there is the point. PBA shots are referred to as PBA shots because they are used on the PBA tour and are sport certified, although the oil ratio isnt made known and now they all play different depending on the surface of the lane more than anything else.
The other stuff are all sport shots and arent given catchy names unless you think regular numbers are catchy, some have names like the ones Kegal puts out for some tourneys they give names, but arent used on the PBA tour, so they arent PBA shots, and they have a set oil ratio.

Yes, we know that if you tell someone what is out there they will be able to roll on it as long as they have a general idea of how to play a pattern sort of like it, this is MUCH beside the point.

[Rowdy]

Yes, there is the point. PBA shots are referred to as PBA shots because they are used on the PBA tour and are sport certified, although the oil ratio isnt made known and now they all play different depending on the surface of the lane more than anything else.
The other stuff are all sport shots and arent given catchy names unless you think regular numbers are catchy, some have names like the ones Kegal puts out for some tourneys they give names, but arent used on the PBA tour, so they arent PBA shots, and they have a set oil ratio.

Yes, we know that if you tell someone what is out there they will be able to roll on it as long as they have a general idea of how to play a pattern sort of like it, this is MUCH beside the point.

Look,Mr.Contrary,even the PBA AND the USBC don't have a "set" anything for all these patterns. It's called spray something that looks kinda like this and keep the difference in ratio's in line and you're good to go. If the difference is supposed to be 5 to 1 between two parts of the pattern,it doesn't matter one whit HOW MUCH OIL YOU SLATHER ON THE LANE! As long as you keep the ratio correct between the parts of the pattern.

Therefore Grumpy,your Shark and my Shark are nowhere near the same.

Get the hell over it already.

Either that or go bowl on the house shot with the rest of the juniors.

[Thepainscoming]

o blisters, just letting u know the kegel shots are 4:1 so they aren't sport compliant unless they changed the requirements, they basically are as hard. the sport compliant shots have to be 2:1 i am pretty sure so pba shots aren't sport compliant.

[slap]

o blisters, just letting u know the kegel shots are 4:1 so they aren't sport compliant unless they changed the requirements, they basically are as hard. the sport compliant shots have to be 2:1 i am pretty sure so pba shots aren't sport compliant.

which kegel patterns are referring to? they have various ratios.

Sport compliant is 3:1
http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/faq.aspx

[Rowdy]

All this sport pattern nonsense is giving me a headache. They weren't supposed to be like this. Jeez,I'm actually looking forward to rolling on house shots,just to get away from all this crap.

Another fine idea screwed up by bowlers who just can't leave well enough alone. And yes,you Fruit-Loops at Kegel,I'm referring to YOU!!! Five patterns wasn't enough,you guys had to add more to the mix. You couldn't be happy just making a lane machine that would lay down PBA quality patterns for the everyday bowler,you guys were cheesed that you got cut out of the decision making process. So here come these patterns down the pike to cloud the issue further. Thanks for nothing.

And to the clowns at the USBC,thanks SO much for not putting your feet down and coming up with lane oil specs that left no room for discussion. Would it have killed you guys to come up with a set of specs for each pattern so that a Shark in Florida was the same as a Shark in PA???

I thought that was the idea all along???

[steveo#3]

No they don't. This arguement has no merit at all. That would be like the USGA getting rid of sandtraps,out of bounds and water hazards so you could shoot par golf from your first day on the links. Go ahead,write the USGA and see how far that idea flies.

Either you like to bowl or you don't. Simple as that. You should have to make an investment in equipment and practice time to be rewarded with higher scores. If we use the above logic,any clown with rental shoes and a houseball should be able to go 200 plus.

Let's make the game HARDER,not easier. Since the balls are on steriods and the lanes are slicker than a swampland salesman in Florida,the only thing left to do is make the pins the weight they used to be. Used to be,not heavier. The USBC made the pins lighter to increase scoring and up the number of bowlers. Well now,how did that work out for everybody??? Not too good,huh???

The scores did indeed go up,but the number of bowlers didn't. Wait one,wasn't that the original arguement??? Well then,expieriment concluded and the results are in. Higher scores do NOT result in more bowlers taking up the sport.

Bet it has something to do with just liking the game. Simple as that.

Actually, the number of paid bowling games went up last year 1.8%. While that does not seem like much it actually is.Plus with ESPN continuing their coverage of the PBA means that ratings must be doing good enough to keep leagues like the NHL and Major League Lacrosse. Plus, in case you never noticed, Americans love action. Watch the damn news on TV. UFC is one of the fastest growing sports in regards to popularity in the nation. Baseball rating went up when they changed the ball to allow more homeruns. And now, the Little League World series gets more coverage than the Presidential election. The USGA years back also allowed golfers to use new OVERSIZED drivers to allow them to drive the ball farther. Plus public courses are widening their fairways and enlarging the greens. You can also see the NHL changed the rules of their game to increase offense and provide....wait...more offense which equals...you guessed it...ACTION. If someone goes bowling..and they suck, people get discouraged and might not continue. I AM NOT SAYING TO MAKE THE GAME EASY BY NO MEANS, but if people can go out and have FUN then they have a better chance of getting more serious about the Sport and sharpen their skills. Now they could then be a THS House Hero or they could take their skills to the next level. And if the game is so easy as you say, why are you not dominating the PBA Tour?

Plus the sport of Bowling has nothing to do with what equipment you use. A house ball and rental shoes provide you with enough to score well. People did it for years before the advent of the Urathane(spelling I know) ball. Emphasis in bowling is mechanics and consistency.

[Rowdy]

Actually, the number of paid bowling games went up last year 1.8%. While that does not seem like much it actually is.Plus with ESPN continuing their coverage of the PBA means that ratings must be doing good enough to keep leagues like the NHL and Major League Lacrosse. Plus, in case you never noticed, Americans love action. Watch the damn news on TV. UFC is one of the fastest growing sports in regards to popularity in the nation. Baseball rating went up when they changed the ball to allow more homeruns. And now, the Little League World series gets more coverage than the Presidential election. The USGA years back also allowed golfers to use new OVERSIZED drivers to allow them to drive the ball farther. Plus public courses are widening their fairways and enlarging the greens. You can also see the NHL changed the rules of their game to increase offense and provide....wait...more offense which equals...you guessed it...ACTION. If someone goes bowling..and they suck, people get discouraged and might not continue. I AM NOT SAYING TO MAKE THE GAME EASY BY NO MEANS, but if people can go out and have FUN then they have a better chance of getting more serious about the Sport and sharpen their skills. Now they could then be a THS House Hero or they could take their skills to the next level. And if the game is so easy as you say, why are you not dominating the PBA Tour?

Plus the sport of Bowling has nothing to do with what equipment you use. A house ball and rental shoes provide you with enough to score well. People did it for years before the advent of the Urathane(spelling I know) ball. Emphasis in bowling is mechanics and consistency.

Don't confuse paid games with league participation. They are not the same. Most of those 1.8% games were rolled in the "boutique" bowling centers,where you rent lanes by the hour,not in a USBC league.

As far as the PBA Tour goes,real life intruded on the bowling dream many years ago. Somehow I don't think my parents would have understood me letting the family business go to hell so I could chase after the Tour. Then the kids came and it's really hard to justify chucking a huge paycheck for sure to maybe win enough money to not qualify for food stamps that month.

[Rowdy]

Plus the sport of Bowling has nothing to do with what equipment you use.

Really??? You get a 10 pound houseball and rental shoes against me and all my gear,100 bucks a game,scratch.:)

NOW try and tell me the equipment doesn't matter.

Bring lotsa money,I feel up to rolling 10 games,easy.

[Thepainscoming]

which kegel patterns are referring to? they have various ratios.

Sport compliant is 3:1
http://www.bowl.com/sportbowling/faq.aspx
o slap, i thought the highway to hell patterns and that series were all 4:1? and i guess they raised the ration to have the pba shots in their also.

[steveo#3]

Really??? You get a 10 pound houseball and rental shoes against me and all my gear,100 bucks a game,scratch.:)

NOW try and tell me the equipment doesn't matter.

Bring lotsa money,I feel up to rolling 10 games,easy.

So mechanics and consistency have nothing to do with it?? You can just buy a Black Widow and your awesome...please..and to compare a 10 pound ball against 15 or 16 is just extreme if not stupid. If someone used a 15 or 16 pound houseball..they are out there...they could get good enough to want to increase their skill levels and move up. Thats what most people do.And most people bowl in open bowling before joining a league. Most people don't wake up one day and say " I'm gonna join a bowling league today". You can keep your bet though, I saw your video there and I don't know if you would last ten games:D .

[slap]

o slap, i thought the highway to hell patterns and that series were all 4:1? and i guess they raised the ration to have the pba shots in their also.

The ratio went from 2:1 to 3:1 last year or the year before. I know it was around the time pba exp leagues were launched.

The Kegel navigation series patterns are divided into three sections; sport, challenge and recreation. The first two numbers are the ratio (at 22ft) and the last two numbers are the length. For example the Highway to Hell pattern you referred to is 2.3:1 and 40 feet.

Kegel Sport Series - WINDING ROAD - 2839
Kegel Sport Series - HIGHWAY TO HELL - 2340
Kegel Sport Series - DEAD MAN'S CURVE - 3043
Kegel Sport Series - BOARDWALK - 2435

Kegel Challenge Series - ROUTE 66 - 4345
Kegel Challenge Series - MIDDLE ROAD - 4239
Kegel Challenge Series - BROADWAY - 4537
Kegel Challenge Series - BEATEN PATH - 4541

Kegel Recreation Series - WALL STREET - 7240
Kegel Recreation Series - MAIN STREET - 7241
Kegel Recreation Series - HIGH STREET - 8144
Kegel Recreation Series - EASY STREET - 7938

[Rowdy]

So mechanics and consistency have nothing to do with it?? You can just buy a Black Widow and your awesome...please..and to compare a 10 pound ball against 15 or 16 is just extreme if not stupid. If someone used a 15 or 16 pound houseball..they are out there...they could get good enough to want to increase their skill levels and move up. Thats what most people do.And most people bowl in open bowling before joining a league. Most people don't wake up one day and say " I'm gonna join a bowling league today". You can keep your bet though, I saw your video there and I don't know if you would last ten games:D .

Have it your way,I'll let you use a 15-16 pound houseball and rental shoes.

You may have seen the video,but what you DIDN'T see was the two newest additions to the bag.

Ten games,put up or shut up.

Let's Roll.:)

[Rowdy]

I saw your video there and I don't know if you would last ten games:D .

Hmm....two games of practice....eight games in a league....three games for cash afterwards....four games of "Strike with every ball in the bag" for more cash....Uh....2+8+3+4=...um...hang on....carry the one....divide by league average....your mileage may vary.....17 games!

Looks like we're good to go rolling only ten.:)

[steveo#3]

I like how you can't acknowledge that mechanics are anything. All you want is to talk big with your bet.So new scenario, you get sloppy drunk so your body control sucks(ala mechanics) and I will use the houseball and shoes and we'll see who wins, mechanics,or equipment. You can use your two new who gives a crap in your bag and we'll test my theory...or should I say...FACT. Point is....MECHANICS ARE NUMERO UNO when it comes to being a great bowler...we can ask..hmm...the greatest to play the game Walter Ray Williams jr about that. He uses top equipment but without his great and consistent mechanics its just crap equipment. You know it and so does everyone else who knows anything about bowling.

[Rowdy]

I like how you can't acknowledge that mechanics are anything. All you want is to talk big with your bet.So new scenario, you get sloppy drunk so your body control sucks(ala mechanics) and I will use the houseball and shoes and we'll see who wins, mechanics,or equipment. You can use your two new who gives a crap in your bag and we'll test my theory...or should I say...FACT. Point is....MECHANICS ARE NUMERO UNO when it comes to being a great bowler...we can ask..hmm...the greatest to play the game Walter Ray Williams jr about that. He uses top equipment but without his great and consistent mechanics its just crap equipment. You know it and so does everyone else who knows anything about bowling.

One,WRW didn't get good until the EQUIPMENT changed in his favor. And I wouldn't tell anyone to copy his "start,stop and start again and then rear up at the line" style on the approach. If you think those are great mechanics you don't know squat. He has a grooved move from throwing horseshoes all his life.

Two,I never get,as you so charmingly put it,"Sloppy Drunk." A gentleman knows how to hold his booze.:)

[idlehourlegend]

I like how you can't acknowledge that mechanics are anything. All you want is to talk big with your bet.So new scenario, you get sloppy drunk so your body control sucks(ala mechanics) and I will use the houseball and shoes and we'll see who wins, mechanics,or equipment. You can use your two new who gives a crap in your bag and we'll test my theory...or should I say...FACT. Point is....MECHANICS ARE NUMERO UNO when it comes to being a great bowler...we can ask..hmm...the greatest to play the game Walter Ray Williams jr about that. He uses top equipment but without his great and consistent mechanics its just crap equipment. You know it and so does everyone else who knows anything about bowling.

Ok I agree with you tha mechanics is a huge part of the game and a big thing to have to be a great bowlers, but equipment now does make a huge difference in the bowling game and makes people a lot better than they are, WRW was not a great bowler with the old equipment either (he didnt win any titles until 1987 when the newer stuff started coming out and won his most titles at the time 7 in 93), when the newer stuff started coming out (resin balls etc.) thats when WRW sky rocketed with wins and equipment. We'll just see how good he really is in the plastic ball challenge this year and it will prove your point to either be true or false. I've seen guys with really bad mechanics that are really good, but have also seen guys with really good mechanics and out dated equipment that dont do so great, so its really depending on the bowler IMO.

[slap]

True, WRW mechanics aren't ideal but they are far (light years) from being bad. He gets to the line with proper timing, balance, and his release point is at max leverage. Don't be distracted by his ungracefullness.

[Rowdy]

True, WRW mechanics aren't ideal but they are far (light years) from being bad. He gets to the line with proper timing, balance, and his release point is at max leverage. Don't be distracted by his ungracefullness.

And there's the key phrase:Gets to the line with proper timing,balance and his release point is at max leverage.

How he gets to the line looks like crap,but he gets into the proper position at release doing it. How many other guys had awful looking swings and approaches,but were very successful bowlers??? WRW,Don Carter,Don Johnson,just to name a few.

I watch guys all the time who have the goofiest swings,but they know how to score. How do they do it??? Easy. They let the BALL do all the heavy lifting for them. Like Idle said,I see guys who have silky smooth swings and you look at them and can't figure out how they score so low. Then you go and look at thier gear and the stuff is so old and out-dated it's pathetic. No wonder they can't get out of thier own way.

I'll even throw in my take on the percentage on this: Ball-80% Bowler-20%

[TenPinSniper]

I know a cranker who uses old Yellow Dots and such who averages 190-200 range maybe more, unless its flooded the new stuff is useless for him. He has speed and a ton of revs, I like to see it measured. Has to be equal to Brett, probably more... but like its stated if you can't use it or control revs don't mean much. So he controls his with Plastic and it usually works pretty well.

It's all about the bowler been able to use what they got... you can looks good, but if your not scoring the problem is you. It's that plain and simple. Change something.

Like my coach said, you my timing, footwork and balance look good, but that swing. Probably alot of people thought my bowling wasn't that bad, but even I knew my swing was a big ol bag of fertilizer!

Mechanic change be changed as well as equipment, but a bad mental game it a lot harder to change.
Here is my order
Mental
Machanics
Adjust
Equipment

To me the last two are about one and the same. Honesly, I feel that I should be to find the pocket and not give it away with any ball in my bag.

[steveo#3]

Ok I agree with you tha mechanics is a huge part of the game and a big thing to have to be a great bowlers, but equipment now does make a huge difference in the bowling game and makes people a lot better than they are, WRW was not a great bowler with the old equipment either (he didnt win any titles until 1987 when the newer stuff started coming out and won his most titles at the time 7 in 93), when the newer stuff started coming out (resin balls etc.) thats when WRW sky rocketed with wins and equipment. We'll just see how good he really is in the plastic ball challenge this year and it will prove your point to either be true or false. I've seen guys with really bad mechanics that are really good, but have also seen guys with really good mechanics and out dated equipment that dont do so great, so its really depending on the bowler IMO.

He won 3 in 1986 and he started on the tour in 1980 but didn't go fulltime until 83 I think.

[steveo#3]

True...YOU throw the ball, not the ball throwing itself. The only way for any ball to live to its potential is for the individual bowler to make it happen. You need balance, hand position, control...of both speed , revs, loft etc, approach, swing, release, hand eye coordination to hit your mark. But I guess thats just 20% of the game the other 80% comes from a weighted core ball rolling down a lane and letting physics take over. For any ball to work you need someone to throw it and control it so you consistently hit the pocket. A ball isn't going to do it for you. Now granted, we all get the lucky ones when we miss our mark but to be consistent in this game you need to have the physical and mental skills to make that happen. And most peoples approaches are different, but its what we do when we are getting to the line. If I wanted to example approach then I would look at PBIII. Some people say that we should use the older heavy pins....maybe we should get rid of these wonderballs that give automatic strikes and good bowling skills. Any responsible person would tell someone not to get a high performance ball when they are first beginning because they should learn the fundamentals and make strides so they can adjust in the future and work their way up. But seriously everyone out there, when you bowl a great game...that was you that did it...not the ball..the ball is only as good as the person throwing it.

[idlehourlegend]

He won 3 in 1986 and he started on the tour in 1980 but didn't go fulltime until 83 I think.

He started on tour in 81, and was full time in 83, but the 3 in 86 is true thats my bad but close enough. But he still went on a 3 year winless streak after 87 then won 1 then he didnt win another until 93' when he won 7 which was when resin started coming out, the newer stuff definately made him a better bowler IMO.

[No Mercy07]

True...YOU throw the ball, not the ball throwing itself. The only way for any ball to live to its potential is for the individual bowler to make it happen. You need balance, hand position, control...of both speed , revs, loft etc, approach, swing, release, hand eye coordination to hit your mark. But I guess thats just 20% of the game the other 80% comes from a weighted core ball rolling down a lane and letting physics take over. For any ball to work you need someone to throw it and control it so you consistently hit the pocket. A ball isn't going to do it for you. Now granted, we all get the lucky ones when we miss our mark but to be consistent in this game you need to have the physical and mental skills to make that happen. And most peoples approaches are different, but its what we do when we are getting to the line. If I wanted to example approach then I would look at PBIII. Some people say that we should use the older heavy pins....maybe we should get rid of these wonderballs that give automatic strikes and good bowling skills. Any responsible person would tell someone not to get a high performance ball when they are first beginning because they should learn the fundamentals and make strides so they can adjust in the future and work their way up. But seriously everyone out there, when you bowl a great game...that was you that did it...not the ball..the ball is only as good as the person throwing it.


Didn't read the whole thing just the first sentence

You ROLL the ball, not throw...

There is my 2 cents