Quick question about surface

[Paul1979]

Hey guys.

Ok this wont really be a question more of a confirmation I believe.

What is the difference between the 500 polish vs 500 matt, or likewise the 4000 abralon polish?

Is it that with the matt finishes of say 1000 grit or abralon the ball will be a lot rougher? Is is just a simple case of sanding the ball down and then hitting it with polish straight away?

Also, say for example what is the difference between a 2000 abralon matt and a 1000 abralon with polish?

I have never had any of my stuff polished after. Although 95% is polished to begin with although the Anger is at 4000 abralon.

Thanks in advance.

[Rowdy]

Every ball has some kind of polish on it from the manufacturer. To use your example,a 500 grit ball polished smooth would go longer than a 500 ball with a matte,or dull, finish on it. Both should hook the same,it's just where the hooking would start that would be the difference.

The lower the number,the more the ball will hook. A 500 ball feels rough,a 4000 ball feels smoother to the touch.

The easiest way I've found to figure all this out without driving yourself insane is to finish the ball to a number where you achieve the desired ball action,then polish for accuracy into the pocket. Let's say you like the way the ball is moving at 1000Abralon,but it comes up a touch short. Adding some polish to the ball will get it that little bit further back to the pocket.

As far as wether it should be a matte or shiny polish,stick with what kind of surface the ball originally came with. However,if you drill the ball way outside the envelope,all bets are off. Polish it up however you think will work best. I've got a BWS that came with a matte finish. But in a plugging accident the ball had to be polished shiny. Lucky me. With the drill job I put into the ball it turned out that polishing it up like that was just the ticket.

[blistershurt]

The difference between 500 polish and 500 dull comes in as far as energy storing. If you have a ball at 500 polish, the ball will still skid a good amount in oil and read smoother from the break, slightly earlier. 500 dull will make something have more of an even arc, whereas the 500 polish will still conserve some energy for a backend kick.

Rowdy, not all balls are polished from the factory, Anger is 2000 abralon, that is the obvious one, trust me, there is no polish on that thing straight from the factory.

[Rowdy]

Rowdy, not all balls are polished from the factory, Anger is 2000 abralon, that is the obvious one, trust me, there is no polish on that thing straight from the factory.

Stay tuned,I'm awaiting an official-from Hammer answer to that question.

[blistershurt]

I'm pretty sure they arent, its especially evident in other companies works like the Fury is one that would namely be blatantly obvious. I'm 99.9% sure that unless the site says that it is finished with a polish, the ball is sanded.

[Thepainscoming]

um yea not all balls are polished factory. even the BWS isn't. copperhead isn't, anger isn't, nm isn't, nmb isnt, gamebreaker isnt.

[TenPinSniper]

Whats the offical-answer Rowdy?

[TenPinSniper]

When you referred to "Matte Finish" is it a dull surface or matte like polished finish?


What is the difference between the 500 polish vs 500 matt, or likewise the 4000 abralon polish?


500 Matte would roll up earlier than, 500 Polished. 4000 Abralon would be longer w/o polish, with polish it will provide the most skid.


Is it that with the matt finishes of say 1000 grit or abralon the ball will be a lot rougher? Is is just a simple case of sanding the ball down and then hitting it with polish straight away?


Polish smooth's out the sanding lines, more or less dependant on the grit you are polishing over. So at 500 or 1000 is does not smooth surface like it would if you polished a ball sanded at 4000. Yes, you just apply polish to the ball. Usually clean the surface or a light surface sand before hand.


Also, say for example what is the difference between a 2000 abralon matt and a 1000 abralon with polish?


The biggest factor is type of polish. Assuming Power House Factory Finish.
My feeling is the difference would be slightly different. It also depends on whether you believe the differences between FEPA and ANSI grits.
If you believe the 1000 Polishes is longer, if you don't then the 2000 should be slightly longer.

I've got mixed emotions on the subject. Here is link to post I made.
http://forums.hammerbowling.com/showthread.php?t=8470
Honestly I thought it would generate a good discussion, but it really didn't. No big deal.


I have never had any of my stuff polished after. Although 95% is polished to begin with although the Anger is at 4000 abralon.

Thanks in advance.

Well polishing vs dull is really a personal preference, sometimes per ball.
My Vicious was always better with a higher gloss shine. Was never a need to try it dull.
BWP never liked the ball, but I disliked it less at lower grit with or with out polish.

Some people like or need duller surfaces while others are the opposite.

It's good to have nice mixed of both.

One of my personal opinion on the subject of surface changes.
Is that you are not changing the surface for more hook or less hook, but to change the shape, direction or ball reaction. Now sometimes you'll get better ball reaction which can be more or less hook, or the illusion of it. But to me or for me it's getting a disireable ball reaction, whether it's a earlier or later roll. Each ball is different and should have a different place in your arsenal of equipment.

Hope this helps.

[Rowdy]

Whats the offical-answer Rowdy?

It comes wet sanded,no polish. However it's recomended that you hit the ball with Clean N Dull before you use it.