Psycho drilling recommendation

[coreyva]

I've been using a CV for awhile and am looking for a ball that's more "determined" and on oilier conditions. I'm leaning towards the Psycho, but haven't ruled out a BWP. I'm not sure of the different layouts. It would be nice to see an image that showed the various ball paths for each layout. Since my last postings, I've gotten my ball speed down to 16-17mph and throw with low revs. I prefer to throw down and in. I don't want a skid-flip movement but smooth arc after it starts to break. Would the #3 strong or #4 low rg layout be best for me?

Thanks

[jhufstedler]

Each bowler is different. Just because the layout says it will do will one thing doesn't mean it will. Your pro shop should be able to help you determine a layout for you. It might not even look like anything on the paper that comes with the ball. I plan on getting a Psycho myself, it will be set up to get through the heads on oily conditions. I have 2 skid-flip balls fixing to have a third one. The two I do have now, they both react a little differently, The both get almost the same length down, but react different. One moves anywhere between 2-6 boards depending on the lane conditions. The one that is suppose to move less has moved more on a couple of occassions. Get your pro shop guy to watch you, take messurements of your track versus your cg and axis. If they truely know what they are doing, they can help you tremendously.

[Razr]

My psycho is drilled for a smooth arc and I love the motion I have with it.
Strong but has a nice arc.

This is how I have it drilled and it's still at factory finish..

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/bmxboi11/100_0492.jpg

[coreyva]

Each bowler is different. Just because the layout says it will do will one thing doesn't mean it will. Your pro shop should be able to help you determine a layout for you. It might not even look like anything on the paper that comes with the ball. I plan on getting a Psycho myself, it will be set up to get through the heads on oily conditions. I have 2 skid-flip balls fixing to have a third one. The two I do have now, they both react a little differently, The both get almost the same length down, but react different. One moves anywhere between 2-6 boards depending on the lane conditions. The one that is suppose to move less has moved more on a couple of occassions. Get your pro shop guy to watch you, take messurements of your track versus your cg and axis. If they truely know what they are doing, they can help you tremendously.

I'd like to have an idea of which pattern before speaking with my pro shop. I'm one that will research as much as I can to insure I don't get steered in the wrong direction. It's not that I don't trust my pro shop, I just want to be in agreement of their recommendation. I don't expect the ball to look like what is pictured, just recommendations of the various layouts.

[coreyva]

My psycho is drilled for a smooth arc and I love the motion I have with it.
Strong but has a nice arc.

This is how I have it drilled and it's still at factory finish..

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j286/bmxboi11/100_0492.jpg

My only concern with that layout was wondering if it would try to move too soon and lose it's momentum on the oil. I'm not talking pro patterns just THS, but last week in league, I had one lane that my CV would work fine on and the second, I practically had to throw a straight ball as I had no movement on the lane till it broke down later in the night. I know the CV isn't really suited for the oil, but I can usually make it work on our house shot, just looking for a ball more suited for it.

[Razr]

Well for me personally at one house witch has wood lanes and uses less oil its pretty strong to play straight up.
Over at the other house more heavily oiled I play up 10 or swing a little across 15 to 10.
I have about a medium rev rate and 15-16 mph ball speed.

Maybe if I get over to the more oily house I'll bring my camera for a few shots, I need to go over there anyways for a little practice..

[bluerrpilot]

My only concern with that layout was wondering if it would try to move too soon and lose it's momentum on the oil. .


Why would that layout move to soon ?


Regardless of the layout, that ball will hook more and sooner than the CV

[Xact1]

coreyva,


I have the Psycho drilled as follows:

80 degree, 5 inch pin to PAP and 65 degree PAP to VAL. Pin under ring finger.

I knocked the factory finish off just a bit.

The ball is an absolute beast and outhooks my BW Bite. Don't worry about this ball going straight, it's not going to happen. The ball has a low RG and revs quickly. It is one of my favorites and a great ball to have in your arsenal.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

[coreyva]

Why would that layout move to soon ?


Regardless of the layout, that ball will hook more and sooner than the CV

That's the way I was reading this from hammer's Symmetric Core Drilling Instructions

Drilling #4 - Low RG Layout
Ball Motion: Early hook with smooth arc
Lane Condition: Fresh backends and Wet/Dry
Flare Potential: Low

Since it said it hooks early, I thought if it was still in the oil that perhaps it would limit it's hooking potential, considering it would have a low flare potential with that layout. Plus it shows it's for Fresh backends and Wet/Dry vs medium or heavy oil as with the other layouts. Am I wrong?

[coreyva]

Well my Pro shop recommended a BWP with the strong layout for my style and leagues I'm in. I was trying to decide between the two balls as well as layouts, but I'll know shortly if that is the right choice or not. I can always add the Psycho for in between the BWP and CV if need be.

[coreyva]

coreyva,


I have the Psycho drilled as follows:

80 degree, 5 inch pin to PAP and 65 degree PAP to VAL. Pin under ring finger.

I knocked the factory finish off just a bit.

The ball is an absolute beast and outhooks my BW Bite. Don't worry about this ball going straight, it's not going to happen. The ball has a low RG and revs quickly. It is one of my favorites and a great ball to have in your arsenal.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions.

Thanks for the info.

[BubbaRay]

I'm chimming in late about the layout on the Psycho. I have mine drilled Pin 4 3/4" from PAP and the Cg 3" from PAP and this ball is strong. This ball will not skid flip but has a strong continous arc through the deck. Like Xact1 stated, don't worry about it going straight because it won't. It gets through the front part of the lane with the length I like and then the strong continuous arc takes over.

[Xact1]

Remember that flare potential is just that. It is a result of the layout. The bowler must supply the technique necessary to maximize the potential of any layout.

A lower RG layout is designed to allow the ball to rev quicker in response to the oil pattern. This helps the ball to 'read' the lane condition a little earlier. A low RG layout will flare a little less depending on the Pin/CG angle to the PAP. Earlier angles lower the potential RG. Higher angles raise the potential RG. This is called RG differential.

Now, with all that being said, I used a strong degree layout (80 degrees Pin/CG to PAP) with a longer 5" Pin to PAP distance and the ball is very strong in the midlane and backend.


That's the way I was reading this from hammer's Symmetric Core Drilling Instructions

Drilling #4 - Low RG Layout
Ball Motion: Early hook with smooth arc
Lane Condition: Fresh backends and Wet/Dry
Flare Potential: Low

Since it said it hooks early, I thought if it was still in the oil that perhaps it would limit it's hooking potential, considering it would have a low flare potential with that layout. Plus it shows it's for Fresh backends and Wet/Dry vs medium or heavy oil as with the other layouts. Am I wrong?