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Razr
10-05-2008, 09:53 PM
So, yes our proshop does have a rejuvinator that I could use and make this much more easier, but I'm not always there and can't always at any time have access to it..

I've done hot water baths and such to clean the oil out but I was wondering if by chance I could place my ball in my kitchen oven to bleed the oil out like a rejuvinator does while I'm at home..?

If so, what would be a good temp. and some kind of time range to check on the ball?
Don't want to ruin the ball by having a too high of temp. or leaving it in for too too long..
Also what would make a good, what should I call it... like something to place the ball on in the oven?



Thanks to all replies.

bluerrpilot
10-05-2008, 10:25 PM
The Revivor oven maintains temperature at approx 110 degrees. (not quite sure) It also rotates and wipes the oil off the ball while its in there. Your oven at home cannot maintain a consistent temp over the entire surface of the ball like the revivor can.

Flessan
10-06-2008, 12:50 AM
I've seen many a terrible thing coming from baking a ball in the oven. It's better to leave it out in the sun or warm shade on an ash tray and rotate it every 30 minutes.

agroves
10-06-2008, 03:09 AM
I'm a big fan of the hot water in a bucket system. Alot safer than an oven.

OmegaRed
10-06-2008, 06:38 AM
Dont use the oven, too dangerous for the ball and everything that comes off the ball is now in the oven. So next time you cook something in there dont be surprised if it tastes like some oil. Better to just use the bucket method.

BubbaRay
10-06-2008, 07:20 AM
When I hear of people putting bowling balls in their ovens at home, it makes me nervous. Bowling balls, especially reactive and particle technology balls, are sensitive to heat. If you put one of these balls in the oven at 150 degrees for an hour, don't be surprised if it splits into two pieces as it cools. Thermal stress is not good for balls. If the ball gets too hot it can crack, and even if it does not appear to have a crack on the outside surface the heat can cause many small, unseen stress fractures in the material that weaken it.

Another concern stems from the materials balls are made of. There are all sorts of chemicals in the balls, and many of them are not fit for human consumption. Putting a ball into an oven that is used to prepare food is a bad idea. In fact, you shouldn't even leave your balls in a hot trunk for very long--high temperatures in the trunk can damage a ball.

A safer and effective way to get the oil out of your ball is to get a five-gallon bucket of hot water and a detergent and scrub your ball with a soft nylon brush, rag, or sponge. This will draw the oil out of the ball and restore some of its hooking power.
Why spend hundreds of dollars on a pwedormance ball if you're not going to maintain it for optimal performance? That's like buying an expensive sports car and waiting 10,000 miles to change the oil, or leaving the body exposed to the elements and letting it rust away. By knowing what to do, where to go, and how often to maintain your ball properly, you can raise the efficiency of your game. Just as important is avoiding anything that may harm your precious ball--bowling balls are most definitely not fit for Shake 'n. Bake.

Ball reaction is about surface to surface contact. If you don't create friction you will get skid, if you create lots of friction you get hook. You must have the right friction level for each lane condition to be effective on that lane condition. Dull balls tend to hook earlier and shined balls tend to hook later. Adjust your surface before you change your style. Keep it simple and you will score higher. Too many changes are too confusing and cause difficulty staying consistent. Experiment with changing your ball surface to change the reaction. Find out what your balls can do.

Bowl with well maintained balls and you will have more success. Higher scores with less work and your average will go up. Your confidence will build and who knows where your average will end up at. Take advantage of the tools available to you and you will be glad you did.

JaraTo
10-06-2008, 11:37 AM
Ok, just like all methods there those for and against... I will at least give you a positive "for" on the method. You just have to do it right. Nothing higher than 120 or 125 if your oven has that setting. Otherwise leave it on Warm. I use an old pan to put my ball on just in case anything drips. Once the ball starts bleeding I start the process of wipin with either alcohol or a cleaner then placing back in the oven until it bleeds enough to wipe again, usually only 1 -2 min. If you're really worried about over exposure, sometimes you can do multiple balls at once and just alt. each time you're cleaning the other. To each his own.... heed everyone elses warnings but that doesn't mean the method does not produce results. I'm no physicist in material properties and neither is anyone else here (I'm assuming)

OmegaRed
10-06-2008, 05:13 PM
When I hear of people putting bowling balls in their ovens at home, it makes me nervous. Bowling balls, especially reactive and particle technology balls, are sensitive to heat. If you put one of these balls in the oven at 150 degrees for an hour, don't be surprised if it splits into two pieces as it cools. Thermal stress is not good for balls. If the ball gets too hot it can crack, and even if it does not appear to have a crack on the outside surface the heat can cause many small, unseen stress fractures in the material that weaken it.

Another concern stems from the materials balls are made of. There are all sorts of chemicals in the balls, and many of them are not fit for human consumption. Putting a ball into an oven that is used to prepare food is a bad idea. In fact, you shouldn't even leave your balls in a hot trunk for very long--high temperatures in the trunk can damage a ball.

A safer and effective way to get the oil out of your ball is to get a five-gallon bucket of hot water and a detergent and scrub your ball with a soft nylon brush, rag, or sponge. This will draw the oil out of the ball and restore some of its hooking power.
Why spend hundreds of dollars on a pwedormance ball if you're not going to maintain it for optimal performance? That's like buying an expensive sports car and waiting 10,000 miles to change the oil, or leaving the body exposed to the elements and letting it rust away. By knowing what to do, where to go, and how often to maintain your ball properly, you can raise the efficiency of your game. Just as important is avoiding anything that may harm your precious ball--bowling balls are most definitely not fit for Shake 'n. Bake.

Ball reaction is about surface to surface contact. If you don't create friction you will get skid, if you create lots of friction you get hook. You must have the right friction level for each lane condition to be effective on that lane condition. Dull balls tend to hook earlier and shined balls tend to hook later. Adjust your surface before you change your style. Keep it simple and you will score higher. Too many changes are too confusing and cause difficulty staying consistent. Experiment with changing your ball surface to change the reaction. Find out what your balls can do.

Bowl with well maintained balls and you will have more success. Higher scores with less work and your average will go up. Your confidence will build and who knows where your average will end up at. Take advantage of the tools available to you and you will be glad you did.


Do you actually type this stuff or do you just copy and paste it from other sites?

JaraTo
10-06-2008, 05:25 PM
Do you actually type this stuff or do you just copy and paste it from other sites?

Shhhh, he's a busy guy but it's all pertinent and good information. At least I don't have to go search for it. But yea....

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCK/is_3_19/ai_76549173/pg_2

can-ham
10-08-2008, 11:53 AM
rejuvinator has benefits over the hot water bath as well. I don't know about you but when I turn on the hot water at my house I can't put my hand in the bucket, it's too hot. But I can put my hand in the rejuvinator. A bowling ball is porous, if it absorbs oil it will absorb water, question is what are the long term effects of this? (honestly I don't think there are any as my 6 year old ball still rolles like new and it's had over 30 baths) Also aside from the spinning, the rejuvinator has some air flow that the oven doesn't.

Nor Cal Bowler
10-09-2008, 01:25 PM
rejuvinator has benefits over the hot water bath as well. I don't know about you but when I turn on the hot water at my house I can't put my hand in the bucket, it's too hot. But I can put my hand in the rejuvinator. A bowling ball is porous, if it absorbs oil it will absorb water, question is what are the long term effects of this? (honestly I don't think there are any as my 6 year old ball still rolles like new and it's had over 30 baths) Also aside from the spinning, the rejuvinator has some air flow that the oven doesn't.

it is not in the chemical makeup of a bowling ball to pick up water, only oil.

Razr
10-09-2008, 02:58 PM
it is not in the chemical makeup of a bowling ball to pick up water, only oil.

really?

I've always heard the water can get into the ball, and some suggest clogging the finger holes to prevent water from soaking in.

Nor Cal Bowler
10-09-2008, 04:04 PM
really?

I've always heard the water can get into the ball, and some suggest clogging the finger holes to prevent water from soaking in.

thats because of the use of the dish soap so it doesnt do anything to the grips.

can-ham
10-09-2008, 05:09 PM
it is not in the chemical makeup of a bowling ball to pick up water, only oil.

Wrong. Oil is more viscus than water, so if a ball adsorbs oil you can bet your ars it absorbs water even better. The plus is most of the water should evaporate out.

Adrenaline
10-13-2008, 06:17 PM
I used an oven once, and the ball cracked in more places than I could count.

You've been warned.

Rowdy
10-15-2008, 07:23 PM
A bowling ball in a kitchen oven??? This idea has disaster written all over it.

Enjoy your new two piece ball though. A little super glue and it'll be good as new!

Xact1
10-15-2008, 10:29 PM
I have the Revivor Oven in my pro shop. This oven is manufactured by Innovative Bowling Products in York, PA. I know the president of Innovative Bowling (John Jamieson) and have purchased some other pro shop equipment from him. The quality of his products are top knotch and he stands behind everything that he sells.

(For the record, I am not being compensated for this endorsement!)

The oven features a dual ball design chamber and has an insulated casing so that you can safely touch the oven while it is at operating temperature without feeling anything more than a warm touch.

A timer on the front allows the operator to select the desired time, and a digital temperature gauge provides instant feedback as to the chamber temperature.

The oven provides forced hot air to the chamber. The balls rotate slowly on rollers by means of an motorized system. There are replaceable absorbant pads in the bottom that collect any oil residue.

I have revived over 50 balls so far and every customer has been impressed with the results. I have found that the oven does not revive urethane balls very well, it only works on resin reactive coverstocks.

I hope that this helps!

Rowdy
10-17-2008, 07:57 PM
Gary,wouldn't a urethane ball melt if the temp got too high? I thought those ovens came with some kind of warning about urethane balls in the instructions.

Xact1
10-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Gary,wouldn't a urethane ball melt if the temp got too high? I thought those ovens came with some kind of warning about urethane balls in the instructions.


Rowdy, the Revivor Oven has a factory preset temperature of 140 degrees. This is warm enough to draw oil from a reactive coverstock, but not warm enough to melt any of the plasticizer that holds the reactive coverstocks together.

If I am correct (someone please chime in if they have proof otherwise), reactive resin coverstocks ARE urethane coverstocks with reactive resin additives. There is no warning about urethane balls that I know of, or could find in the instruction manual that came with the Revivor Oven.

sledgehammer
11-20-2008, 05:26 PM
i Have used an oven at work or it is actually a heater cabinet or what the word is in english. Anyways, I set it to approx. 70 degrees centigrade an put the ball in for 10 minutes, then wipe it off and put it back in. After 3 x 10 minutes it usually does not bleed anymore and is dry.

I've done it more then 10 weeks now and so far my ball response is like new and it has not cracked or showed any signs of cracks.

So if done right I guess the oven works however our heat cabinet at work might be better at dividing the heat then a kitchen oven and maybe one don't wan't oil in the kitchen oven.

I have also used the bath method which also worked good for me but not as good if not done after every practice.

Still, the pro shop baking machines is prob the best but if low on cash or just cause DIY is more fun, use the oven but use an separate from the one used for food and keep the temp low.

BTW, since I am a bit paranoid I re-glue my finger inserts at times after oven or pro shops baking machine cause I don't wanna risk my inserts get loose or come off.

hammeredinkansas
12-19-2008, 01:47 PM
Glad I read this thread. I started one in the Main Forum before I realized there are now many forums to choose from...I've been away too long! I was wondering how to sweat the oil out before placing my ball in my Hook Again container. In the summer, no prob...just set it outside. In the winter, it's a different story. Unfortunately, winter is league time and when I need to maintain my ball more often.

willard46
12-19-2008, 05:40 PM
According to Mo PInel at the usbc study heat under 130 degrees dose not hurt you bowling ball, according to storm they say the structure of the bowling ball changes at over 102 degrees.

I like the buck in the water system my self it is the safest and dose work.

Now Columbia told me that there cpr in water will take everything out of a bowling ball But, I have never tried it.

My Vote Water and the Bucket.

Adrenaline
12-19-2008, 06:29 PM
Does that mean we should keep the water temp below 130 degrees when doing the bath?

idlehourlegend
12-19-2008, 06:53 PM
Does that mean we should keep the water temp below 130 degrees when doing the bath?

Yes it should be under that.

Curacao_Dejavu
12-19-2008, 07:05 PM
Yes it should be under that.

I did not know that, I had them at almost boiling temp and added water to cool it off. 80% hot and 20% cold water.

willard46
12-19-2008, 11:28 PM
My suggestion is that I would not use very hot water the sink. Tap water even warm dose extract some oil I have found - one thing I found that really helps is if I put a very very small about of lane detergent cleaner in the water it seems to help dissolve lane oil from the ball. But, I do not have any scientific proof of this Mo dose in his study

Fatboy8
12-21-2008, 10:03 AM
I've done the oven and hot water bath before. For safety and control purposes, I use the hot water bath only now. It's alot safer.