Need more help please

[drvred]

I have been bowling pretty decently (for mr) for most of this fall season. But the last two weeks, they are putting very little oil down.
I am told its 28 ft, brushed to 35. Very dry back ends.
The first game I do pretty well, struggle some in the second, and the 3rd game is killing me. Split split split.
I usually bowl straight down the second arrow, with some moves with my feet. I know I should move inside, but when I do, I get some terrible leaves, since I dont have a lot of hook, and this just makes my ball go into the pocket straighter.
Yesterday I went to the alley since I knew there would be no oil. Tried different inside lines, and was pretty consistantly in the 170s, finally went to the plastic and had a 203. Threw my hands up and went home.
BTW I was using my Bite @2000 with light polish.

Thanks
Rick

[idlehourlegend]

What kind of help do you want?, new ball?, move you could make? or what?, didnt get that part out of it.

[drvred]

Sorry, I was looking for move advice.
Like I said if I move inside, my ball is almost parallel with the centerline of the lane, and I get terrible carry. I think this is because I dont get the huge sharp hook some of the other guys do.

[idlehourlegend]

Its hard if the ball works good during the first game then goes downhill when they get dry because every ball that works in the first game does that, thats why we have more balls to go to when the one is too much. You just have to keep moving in and following the oil in, but if you cant do that because of your low rev rate, bringing the ball up to 4000 abralon might be an option, would get you more length than the 2000, if its still too much hit it with some polish.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

Well, you could move a little left and throw outside and if your lanes have a "bumper" of dry by the gutter just swing it out to there like at the 6-9 boards and have it come back.. it could be a tiny flat, but not as many splits..

[TenPinSniper]

How would you describe your finishing position to the foul line? Closed, Square or Open shoulders.

Can you bowling ball be seen from behind in its starting position?

Do you have a knee bend or any kneee issues? Sometimes getting into a deep bend can help the ball get down the lane further before it hooks, keep ing you in the same area, without moving you line as much.

Taking the ball to 4000 Abralon with Polish might be a very good idea.

[drvred]

As far as finishing position, I dont understand the diff between closed and open shoulders.
My normal ball is a Attitude Shift, just trying the Bite because I didnt want to change the surface of the shift, and because I hate to see the Bite hiding in the closet.
I bought a CV to use late in the night, but that sucker hooks A LOT. Some nights more so than the AS, I guess because its not burning up.
I think I will try moving left tonight, and see what happens with some oil up front. I think 90 percent of us are using the second arrow, so I will be different.

On a different note, last Tuesday, we had a fellow finish the second game with 2 strikes, bowl a 300 in the third game. Then move to a different set of lanes, and bowl 11 in a row in the pot bowling game. For 25 in a row.

The lane paid out five hundred dollars for a perfect game last week, and now five hundred tonite for that one.

Rick

[TenPinSniper]

Hopefully I can explain open and closed shoulders.

Guessing you get square to the foul line. ;)

When you swing the ball say rolling from 15 (3rd Arrow out to 10 board at the break, dark range finders on Brunswick Lanes). It can be useful to have your shoulders open to the right, meaning your right shoulder will be behind the left shoulder. So your body will be aimed towards the
trajectory of the ball. (This can also be in reference to the foul line as well.)
Closed shoulders is the opposite, right shoulder is ahead of the left shoulder.

Where do you position the ball, when you set on the approach. If of course you set before you start your approach.

[drvred]

Cant really tell about my finishing position.
I start with my right shoulder down and behind, elbow tucked in my side, and ball below my belt, over and just in front of my right foot.
Tonight, we had plenty of oil and I did pretty good for me. 248, 187 and 230.
Only had to move 3 boards left and stayed on the second arrow.
I did notice that if I kept my elbow locked from the start, I was much more accurate.
If only I could not make some dumb spare mistakes. Mainly throwing the spare too hard.

Rick

[Rowdy]

Everybody stop here for a second.

Open,closed and square are terms to be applied to the LINE OF THE SHOT, not the foul line.

So if the ball goes down on 15 and it's heading towards the 10 board,it would be where the shoulders are in relation to that line,not the foul line. Being square to the foul line on this shot would actually be being slightly closed at release.

Okay drvred,we'll guess your right handed here. Reverse the thing if your a lefty.
All terms apply at the moment of release,got it?

Square-Both shoulders are straight across the line of the shot. Neither one is out in front of the other. Nothing wrong with this.

Closed-The right shoulder has passed the left one. Bad.

Open-The right shoulder is behind the left one. Very,very good. Also known as a "leverage" position. Allows you to use the inside half of the ball for revs.

On to other things.
Elbow-It should be straight as soon as possible in the swing. Try to get the arm straight halfway between the pushaway and the arm pointing straight down to the floor. Keep it that way until after release.

Ball Position at Address- Eewwww!!!! Over your right foot? Nope. Draw a straight line from the balls starting position to it's position at the top of the backswing. Goes right through you,doesn't it? This means you have to manipulate the swing around your body. Hard to be consistent with that move. Makes it hard to have the shoulders closed or even square at release. Keep the elbow in but move the ball out to the right until your forearm is on the line of the shot,not inside of it. Yes,part of the ball will look like it's going to hit your leg,but the hip will move the leg out of the way. Now you can come into the release from a slightly inside path which will keep the shoulders slightly closed at release. Now your hand can start from the inside half of the ball. Result-More revs and more ball speed.

[bluerrpilot]

Open,closed and square are terms to be applied to the LINE OF THE SHOT, not the foul line.

So if the ball goes down on 15 and it's heading towards the 10 board,it would be where the shoulders are in relation to that line,not the foul line. Being square to the foul line on this shot would actually be being slightly closed at release.


Ball Position at Address- Eewwww!!!! Over your right foot? Nope. Draw a straight line from the balls starting position to it's position at the top of the backswing. Goes right through you,doesn't it? This means you have to manipulate the swing around your body. Hard to be consistent with that move. Makes it hard to have the shoulders closed or even square at release. Keep the elbow in but move the ball out to the right until your forearm is on the line of the shot,not inside of it. Yes,part of the ball will look like it's going to hit your leg,but the hip will move the leg out of the way. Now you can come into the release from a slightly inside path which will keep the shoulders slightly closed at release. Now your hand can start from the inside half of the ball. Result-More revs and more ball speed.

Jermarace are you reading this ????