Carrydown vs Depletion

[2KDriver]

I thought that carrydown was the product of the balls pushing the oil downlane...now I am hearing that the more porous balls actually absorb the oil and that Depletion is a more common problem. Reason I bring this up is, after 4-5 games, my plastic spareball is trying to turn just before the pin!! I am rollin in 2 leagues Sat. Nite and my 2nd avg is droppin' like a rock...Spares really are important!! Any suggestions on a ball that will roll straight?? By the way, my spare ball is an Ebonite Mirage, 16# and I roll about 15-17 mph... Thanx for any suggestions:)

[bluerrpilot]

Both are happening. It just depends on whats being used on the lane at the time and the condition. Oil is being depleted in the front part of the lane while also being pushed slightly down lane. Either way, your spare ball turning is not a product of either of those scenarios.

[agroves]

Just kill your spare ball completely.

[idlehourlegend]

Either polish the crapp out of the one you have or start to not hit it, just throw it straight and hard at the pins with no hand, if you do it this way be sure to aim a tad left of the pin your throwing at (assuming your right handed).

[BubbaRay]

Is carrydown the real reason why the ball motion changes? Or is it due to oil depletion as the coverstock absorbs the oil off the lane game after game?

You most probably will still get your micro fiber towel and wipe off the oil found on your ball after every shot. If this is the case, then isn't the coverstock sponging up the oil instead of the oil being carried down. During competition where the oil is heavier/longer, there will be carrydown. Where the oil is shorter and lighter there will be depletion of the oil.
What also plays a factor of determining if it's carry down or depletion is the balls coverstock's porosity and if the ball is polished or not. If it is polished it willk not absorb oil as much as a ball that is not.

[excalibur]

It also happens after time that a spare ball (plastic ball) can develop a track on it and begin to hook a little, sometimes you just need to buy another plastic ball, the good thing is they are cheap. I use a ebonite maxim and it has given good service so far.

Good Luck:)

[2KDriver]

Thanx fellas, I appreciate the opinions expressed here and will probly go with excaliburs suggestion...get a new ball!!! I was just stunned to see my plastic turn...I don't have a lot of hand to take out, so it really blew my mind!!

[agroves]

You don't need to buy a new one, just scuff the cover and repolish.

[excalibur]

You don't need to buy a new one, just scuff the cover and repolish.

That is a good point that I didnt think of !!! You could just put a good polish on it from the pro-shop. That is what is great about this message board, if you forget something or give wrong information someone will catch it.

[idlehourlegend]

You don't need to buy a new one, just scuff the cover and repolish.

2nd, just polish the snot out of it, the ball will go straight guaranteed. Look to see if your pro shop has XXX polish or something comparable and toss that on there, will do the job just fine.

[excalibur]

Of Course also weigh the cost of what your pro-shop charges for the polish and or re-surface job against how old your spare ball is. Like I said before a brand new maxim or whatever kind of polyester ball is pretty cheap, and if the price isnt to far off you might want to just go ahead and get a new one. Either way you probably cant go wrong and now you have some options.

[TenPinSniper]

Honestly on a spare resurfacing is pretty easy, unless you reallytry to kill the hook and take it 4000 Abralon and Polish.

Really you could scuff good on all 6 side with a grey scuff pad, that should get quite a bit of the track wear out of the ball. Then polish it the snot out of it.

Most of my wear is not really bad on my spare ball. Guess it will depend on the lane surface.

So scuff up the ball and polishing should be less than 10 bucks.

[samltk1977]

isnt depletion and carry down different things? to my understanding, when depletion happens U should use a ball that hook less or change the way U throw to hook less. When carry down happens, use a ball with porous coverstock to soak up oil?

[idlehourlegend]

isnt depletion and carry down different things? to my understanding, when depletion happens U should use a ball that hook less or change the way U throw to hook less. When carry down happens, use a ball with porous coverstock to soak up oil?

Yes, they are 2 ways of how the lanes break down. Depletion is when the lanes get burnt up and oil goes away basically(to not be technical), carrydown is when oil is pushed downlane, therefore delaying the balls reaction.

This is just the way I do it, people disagree with this because on carrydown some people like an earlier rolling ball. But I like a ball that goes long and is storing up its energy for when it hits the carrydown, for this I would go to my Cell Pearl, a ball that stores a lot of energy and has a lot of power on the backend. For Depletion, I like to use a ball that goes long and have a predictable backend motion and doesn't over react off the friction.

[samltk1977]

yeah agree to a certain extend coz there's so many ways going about it. U can tweak Ur existing equipment, get new ones or simply tweak the way U play. guess it's the chicken and egg question?

[Thepainscoming]

me for carrydown i used to just switch to my particle pearl but since i sold it, now i just slow down to get through it and possibly move a tad right.

[idlehourlegend]

yeah agree to a certain extend coz there's so many ways going about it. U can tweak Ur existing equipment, get new ones or simply tweak the way U play. guess it's the chicken and egg question?

There are a ton of ways to go about both of them, for dry you could add more tilt or thrown the ball harder, change hand position, add polish, dull down, move feet. There are tons of ways and its really what the bowler is the most comfortable and confident with that is the move that they should make.

Its the same for carrydown, could go to a ball that starts earlier, ball thats stronger on the back, come up the back of the ball more, go around the carrydown, or use it for hold. Just depends on the bowler, there are tons and tons of options, I just scratched the surface.

[samltk1977]

There are a ton of ways to go about both of them, for dry you could add more tilt or thrown the ball harder, change hand position, add polish, dull down, move feet. There are tons of ways and its really what the bowler is the most comfortable and confident with that is the move that they should make.

Its the same for carrydown, could go to a ball that starts earlier, ball thats stronger on the back, come up the back of the ball more, go around the carrydown, or use it for hold. Just depends on the bowler, there are tons and tons of options, I just scratched the surface.

Yeap... That's 101% true. Sigh...