Abralon Question

[Lefty]

When you sand down a ball will that increase it hooks potential so say my ball starts at 4000 and I sand it down to 2000 will it hook more because of that

[idlehourlegend]

It all depends on what you consider "more hook", when you sand a ball down the ball will get into its roll earlier than the ball at a higher grit and will be smoother on the backend but have more overall hook and will be quicker to react to friction. So if you consider a ball with more backend more hook then no, but if you consider a ball with more overall hook throughout the lane then yes.

[Thepainscoming]

idle, sanding the ball down will slow its response to friction, everything else your spot on

[idlehourlegend]

idle, sanding the ball down will slow its response to friction, everything else your spot on

I thought it was the opposite and that polish made it react slower to the friction and push through it. Could have been a mis conception. I dont do many surface adjustments I just understand what they do, my bad.

[Street Racer]

I thought it was the opposite and that polish made it react slower to the friction and push through it. Could have been a mis conception. I dont do many surface adjustments I just understand what they do, my bad.

well thats what i thought to until i experiment with my complete nv....

thats why i have my complete nv at 1000... yeah it hooks early... but its also alot smoother off the breakpoint.... giving it a heap of control

[Thepainscoming]

yea idle, thats why polished balls react with a sharper breakpoint and more skid/snap because its hooking a lot quicker once it hits friction.

[idlehourlegend]

okie dokie, makes sense I suppose, see learn something new everyday with this sport even after being in it for what feels like forever.:rolleyes:

[TenPinSniper]

Duller stuff does read friction earlier, but just does not react as hard off the friction.

[idlehourlegend]

Duller stuff does read friction earlier, but just does not react as hard off the friction.

This is what I was trying to say, thanks tenpin. Thats the statement I was trying to make, just didnt get it across that way.

[Young300]

Think of it as sanding a piece of wood.

Using 4000 will make the surface of the wood smoother, which means less friction to when you rub it.

Using 2000 will still be smooth, but you will feel more friction than you would with 4000.

The lower the ball's surface, the earlier it will respond to friction and the longer the response will be throughout the lane. This is what some people do when they are experiencing over/under reaction. They take their ball to a lower grit to expend the energy over time. Also, the more oil a certain ball will be able to handle when it is at a lower grit because the surface is able to "dig" through the oil and reach the friction below.

[Thepainscoming]

This is what I was trying to say, thanks tenpin. Thats the statement I was trying to make, just didnt get it across that way.

ok yea dull works very good for over/under, polish is good for... well i really havent found much that i can't use with like 4000 but drier heads is good for polish or DEEP inside.

[idlehourlegend]

ok yea dull works very good for over/under, polish is good for... well i really havent found much that i can't use with like 4000 but drier heads is good for polish or DEEP inside.

Personally use polish for just about anything, over/under is still polished stuff just smoother drilling.

[Thepainscoming]

Personally use polish for just about anything, over/under is still polished stuff just smoother drilling.
lol u have like 500 more rpms than me though lol i would personally like to go higher finish before polish to reduce squirtyness(is that a word?lol) down lane

[samltk1977]

Jus a tawt. Does it mean that since from what I see, the diff bet Acid and psycho is jus the polish(both @ 4000), I can jus take out the polish from psycho and it'll be like the acid? coz the cover and the core's the same? My proshop dun haf grit 4000 now, so I am actually doing a double 2000 wif extender polish. ponder... I am considering buying my own abralons @ 4000 to my proshop hehe

[TenPinSniper]

Jus a tawt. Does it mean that since from what I see, the diff bet Acid and psycho is jus the polish(both @ 4000), I can jus take out the polish from psycho and it'll be like the acid? coz the cover and the core's the same? My proshop dun haf grit 4000 now, so I am actually doing a double 2000 wif extender polish. ponder... I am considering buying my own abralons @ 4000 to my proshop hehe

No. The Difference between is the Coverstock.

Pearl is a additive added to the coverstock compound before it is poured which will alter reaction from its non-pearl counter part.

[samltk1977]

No. The Difference between is the Coverstock.

Pearl is a additive added to the coverstock compound before it is poured which will alter reaction from its non-pearl counter part.

My bad. didn't see the pearl part. But then again... if U take a pearlised ball, dull it. and U take the non pearlised coverstock version and shine it. will it make a big difference?

[TenPinSniper]

This is from an email and post... I made a while back on Pearl. Thought it applied. There is a link to a page Ebonite posted a few years ago as well.
That talks more directly about the difference between the Solid and Pearls, when Solid are polished and pearls are dulled.

Q: What is done to Pearlize a ball?

A: Pearlized balls feature an additive that provides the pearl look. This additive is a powdery substance that reflects light and modifies the performance of the ball.


Q: Pearl balls are usually look polished, is that because of the additive or polish? Read a few places that described pearl as a ball that swirls in the cover stock, it that a cause of the additive? (I just didn't buy into that, as a complete explanation.) Kinda think a pearlize could be solid in color, is that right?

A: Pearl balls are usually factory polished in order to provide a more attractive appearance on the pro shop shelves. Pearl balls can be a single color, or they can be multiple colors. Typically, pearl balls have slight color variations.


Q: The Toxic has the traction pearl; is this a pearl, solid using the pearl additive like a particle w/ polish?

A: The Toxic features a new pearl additive that is less sensitive to oil and carrydown.


Q: Most of the latest Hammers and even Ebonite’s seem to be Reactive, is there a reason Particle Balls don't seems as common anymore? Here are few additional statements/comments I made, I got no response. Think the Hawg was one of the last in the Hammer line. Not asking for more Particle bowling balls, I do like Reactive stuff better. Just wondering.

A: We are using more reactive coverstocks because of our new technologies. Basically, there is not much of a need for particle when you have very aggressive reactive coverstocks. In addition, the consumers prefer the ball motion of a reactive coverstock over a particle coverstock, and the sales numbers prove it.

[TenPinSniper]

Here is the deal. (From Ebonite)

(Condensed version.)

You have two bowling balls some cover,core and color. (One Pearl and one Solid.)

Now sand them both to say 1000 Abralon. No polish.
The Pearl will hook later, sharp and more overall. The Pearl Additive help the ball not expend as much energy in the front of the lane.

Now take both ball and add Factory Finish Polish.
The solid will hook later, sharp and more overall. The interesting thing is the Pearl saw the friction much earlier.