Different lanes

[PinSlayer]

Well I have been at my parents over Christmas and I have come to find out that the house I bowl at just floods the lanes with oil..

Bowled at two other alleys. The BWP all I can say was WOW.. No way in hell would that ball roll like that at my local alley. Stock finish I was rolling 10 to 5 10 to 2 and it would still snap back to the pocket. If I went 10 to 5 at the local house it might come back. If I got out to the 3 or 2 forget it. No chance in hell would it ever recover.

[RickJensen]

That could just be the difference between having an out-of-bounds and not having one.

[PinSlayer]

That could just be the difference between having an out-of-bounds and not having one.

Dunno. But even if I kept the ball about 15 to 10 it would snap back across the pocket. That will not happen at the local house.

[RickJensen]

Could be a shorter pattern or just more dry conditions too. Over the holidays when there aren't leagues going on, some houses might not oil as frequently or they may try some different shots, I know our house had Dead Man's Curve and Highway to Hell down Friday and Saturday. Another thing might be that the lanes have seen more bowling on them, our house goes nuts when schools out since theres not much else to do. Most days when we have travel team practice we're about the only ones in there, yesterday we gave up a pair of our lanes because the rest was full and people were still coming in.

[PinSlayer]

Could be a shorter pattern or just more dry conditions too. Over the holidays when there aren't leagues going on, some houses might not oil as frequently or they may try some different shots, I know our house had Dead Man's Curve and Highway to Hell down Friday and Saturday. Another thing might be that the lanes have seen more bowling on them, our house goes nuts when schools out since theres not much else to do. Most days when we have travel team practice we're about the only ones in there, yesterday we gave up a pair of our lanes because the rest was full and people were still coming in.

Well one alley was on the base so there is limited use. (only 16 lanes too)
I am not sure what pattern they use but. My local house goes 39' and heavy in the middle. (IMO heavy all over) :D

[BubbaRay]

There's a pattern to how different THS oil patterns play. The pattern is that there is no exact pattern. There are several reasons why the patterns may play differently from lane to lane ands house to house. One reason is the type of oil machine used and the lane surface type and age. Different types of oil machines apply oil in various ways. There are two basic types of oil machines, fluid and pad. The three different fluid machines include transfer brush, transfer roller and spray technology.

As the names indicate, the brush and rollers transfer oil onto the lane while the sprayer sprays oil directly on the lane. Fluid machines apply oil in a very consistent manner because the fluid metering pump rotates at a constant RPM cycle, resulting in the oil being pumped at an exact flow rate to the oil pattern control valve. The oil pattern control valve turns on or off at different parts of the lane depending on the oil pattern. Pad machines use different technology than fluid machines to apply oil. Oil flows through wick material, then onto a roller, then to a brush and then onto the lane surface.
In most cases, lane patterns that are applied with a pad machine tend to hook a bit more because pad machines tend not to put down the same oil volume as fluid machines. With pad machines, volume is dependent on the condition of the wicks. Since those machines apply oil differently, it's important to focus on how that affects the way eaqch house patterns play.

For example, pad machines do not adjust the oil on every board like the more modern fluid metered machines can, but it is still pretty close. Add to that each center is using its own machine (maintained differently by each center's mechanic) and whatever oil that centers uses and the patterns may play differently .
Besides oil machines, lane surfaces also affect the way the patterns play. There are two types of lane surfaces in most centers, synthetic and wood. More than 40 synthetic lane surfaces have been approved over the years and just as many finishes for wood lanes. There is a wide variety of surfaces that will affect ball reaction. Some lane surfaces will allow bowlers to play multiple angles . Can you play the patterns the same way in every center? Nope. Oil machine, lane surface type and age are what differentiate the patterns from center to center across the country.

You can have success by finding out what type of lane surface the center has and what oil machine it uses. Understanding the difference between the types of lane surfaces and oil machines will allow you to draw your own conclusions about how to attack each house pattern.

[BigDog]

Well one alley was on the base so there is limited use. (only 16 lanes too)
I am not sure what pattern they use but. My local house goes 39' and heavy in the middle. (IMO heavy all over) :D

Where were you throwing? The house on base sounds like Robins AFB, and the other house sounds like it could be Gold Cup in Warner Robins??

[Rowdy]

Well I have been at my parents over Christmas and I have come to find out that the house I bowl at just floods the lanes with oil..

Bowled at two other alleys. The BWP all I can say was WOW.. No way in hell would that ball roll like that at my local alley. Stock finish I was rolling 10 to 5 10 to 2 and it would still snap back to the pocket. If I went 10 to 5 at the local house it might come back. If I got out to the 3 or 2 forget it. No chance in hell would it ever recover.

Gonna shop around for a new place to roll now that you've seen how the other half lives?

Hey,I waved when I went through Dalton the other day,but I didn't see you.

[PinSlayer]

Gonna shop around for a new place to roll now that you've seen how the other half lives?

Hey,I waved when I went through Dalton the other day,but I didn't see you.

I doubt I will find another house. But I do need to keep the LT for a LONG ball on a dry lane.

I found out the pattern at the alley on base. 39' tree light oil on the right 5 and left 7

Hummmmmmm I have been in Alabama since the 21st so that is why you didn't see me.. LOL

[southpaw14]

Ah a few fellow Georgians out there. Live just north of Atlanta and call the Brunswick Lanes in Roswell "home"

[PinSlayer]

Ah a few fellow Georgians out there. Live just north of Atlanta and call the Brunswick Lanes in Roswell "home"

Rowdy is driving truck. He was just passing by.. But I live in Dalton. Well have to get together sometime and roll a few.

[Walkin Kamikaze]

i know u were talking about lanes.. and I have never heard this till yesterday.. Now with the reactive covers and stuff, if a pattern is under 40', it will not carry down like you think.. Most of the older guys all know this but i just heard this.. and felt like sharing.. The lanes deplete oil due to balls sucking it up.. so the pattern burns up and then leads to a bad ball like it being too catchy early and not finishing right.. which we blame carry down for.. but its not.. its just oil depletion =P thought id write it down to help remember it and to see if anyone has any to add/ correct.. Like we saw a physical look of a pattern where they tape it and get it.. every bit of time.. by the 3rd game, depending on pattern, there was no carry down and now a groove in the pattern where most people threw at.. causing the nicer high scores sometimes like a house pattern.

[TenPinSniper]

The only thing I'll add to Bubba post is the lane cleaner used.

Most if not all modern lane machine can strip the entire and re-oil in a single pass. It probably not the best stripping job, but it can be done.

For USBC Complaint Sport/PBA Shots the lanes MUST be conditioned in two passes. The first pass is stripping only the second pass you oil the lanes.

There are many lane oil and cleaner approved.

[PinSlayer]

The only thing I'll add to Bubba post is the lane cleaner used.

Most if not all modern lane machine can strip the entire and re-oil in a single pass. It probably not the best stripping job, but it can be done.

For USBC Complaint Sport/PBA Shots the lanes MUST be conditioned in two passes. The first pass is stripping only the second pass you oil the lanes.

There are many lane oil and cleaner approved.

OK so your saying down and back once to strip then down and back again to lay the oil right?

I konw the alley I bowl at goes down and back then moves to the next lane. But of course it's a 39' house shot.

[Dave34]

It strips on the way down the lane, then applies the pattern on the way back.

I wont comment too much on the carrydown issue, but I've definitely experienced it on the Cheetah, which is (was) a 35 foot pattern.

[BubbaRay]

i know u were talking about lanes.. and I have never heard this till yesterday.. Now with the reactive covers and stuff, if a pattern is under 40', it will not carry down like you think.. Most of the older guys all know this but i just heard this.. and felt like sharing.. The lanes deplete oil due to balls sucking it up.. so the pattern burns up and then leads to a bad ball like it being too catchy early and not finishing right.. which we blame carry down for.. but its not.. its just oil depletion =P thought id write it down to help remember it and to see if anyone has any to add/ correct.. Like we saw a physical look of a pattern where they tape it and get it.. every bit of time.. by the 3rd game, depending on pattern, there was no carry down and now a groove in the pattern where most people threw at.. causing the nicer high scores sometimes like a house pattern.

Ok here is something to think about on oil depletion. Think about you bowling your league play at 6:30 early league. In the afternoon around 3:30 there is a junior league in which 90% if not all the young bowlers use a lighter and plastic ball. The oil is not being sucked up by these ballsa. It is being moved around over the width and length of the lane thus causing the carry down.

I agree with oil being sucked up by the agressive coverstocks these days but also if you are on a pair where 8 out of ten are using polished equipment, the oil isn't being sucked up that much because polish plugs the pores of the cover to reduce the oil soaking into the cover at a slower rate. There is sucha thing as carry down and oil depletion. Just depends on the circumstances causing each condition.

[TenPinSniper]

It can strip and oil at the same time. Believe both forward and back.

[Rowdy]

Rowdy is driving truck. He was just passing by.. But I live in Dalton. Well have to get together sometime and roll a few.

Workin' on it. Next time I have to hang for the weekend in Chattanooga or Dalton we're goin' bowling.

[PinSlayer]

Workin' on it. Next time I have to hang for the weekend in Chattanooga or Dalton we're goin' bowling.

Sounds like a plan.. Just don't kick my butt too bad.. LOL Remember I am just starting back so I am still a bit inconsistent. HAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaa

Holiday Bowl in Chattanooga is a nice alley. I don't go there often. (the drive and it's more expensive) But still nice. Last time I was there was about 3 years ago wife and I went out to Cosmic bowl with some friends. My first game sucked (180 something) Then didn't roll under a 220 the other 4 games.. HG being a 250 something.. At that time it was a year or so since I rolled a ball. Seemed like no matter where I threw the ball it was a pocket shot. Gotta love that.. :D :D :D

[southpaw14]

I've bowled in a bunch of lanes in the Atlanta area but haven't gotten too far out of Atlanta to bowl