Hammer Raw Jacked

[pipes]

as far as color goes it looks fine to me !!! If it would knock down more pins I wouldn't care if it was PINK with PURPLE pok a dots

[Sin City Hammer]

At least we can see that while it's Jacked inside, the Hammer guys felt the outside should be double jacked for color.

I'll hold out for a different ball for now, since I'm content with my jigsaw.

[tyketto]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead1987

I am not too picky about color, but when you mix baby sh*t brown with purple, that is just nasty. I don't want to roll something down the lane that looks like the stomach flu my son had when we was 1. Not to mention, the straight guy can't even play his straight game with it. Why would I need a ball that I have to make go 10-15 boards? The most I ever need is 5, just don't see the need for it.

Funny thing, is that it looks very similar in colour to the Ebonite Xxxcel, and no-one complained about that colour..

And just because the most boards you may need is 5, doesn't make the ball bad or not wanted by others. Cases in point: Bill O'Neill, and quite honestly, myself. This is the first Hammer product I'm seriously considering to buy since they were acquired by Ebonite.

This ball would be killer on the Scorpion, Weber, and Anthony patterns, where you'll have heavy volumes of oil but need to stay precise. Besides, you're implying that it's the ball and not the bowler that makes you go that 10-15 boards. I could take this ball, let alone any ball in my bag, and either swing it that 10-15 boards, or go straight up a board or 2.

This ball is versatile, but only if you make it, instead of it making you.

BL.

[Hammerhead1987]

Originally Posted by tyketto

Funny thing, is that it looks very similar in colour to the Ebonite Xxxcel, and no-one complained about that colour..

And just because the most boards you may need is 5, doesn't make the ball bad or not wanted by others. Cases in point: Bill O'Neill, and quite honestly, myself. This is the first Hammer product I'm seriously considering to buy since they were acquired by Ebonite.

This ball would be killer on the Scorpion, Weber, and Anthony patterns, where you'll have heavy volumes of oil but need to stay precise. Besides, you're implying that it's the ball and not the bowler that makes you go that 10-15 boards. I could take this ball, let alone any ball in my bag, and either swing it that 10-15 boards, or go straight up a board or 2.

This ball is versatile, but only if you make it, instead of it making you.

BL.

Congrats for trying to point out something I never stated. I said I do not see a need for it. Didn't say this ball would not be liked for others. Which means I will not be buying it because it will not match up with my game.

I did not imply anything. If you look at Zach bowl he has to swing it. For people like me, straight up 10, we want to see a demo of that. The one bowler they have that can do it they don't allow him. That just turned me off of the ball.

So before you come out here and sound like pompous , maybe you should make sure you understand fully what you have read.

[TenPinSniper]

Exactly, I don't know what the pattern was but Zach was inside with each ball. Acid, Burn and Jacked.

Heck Zach was not even straight up the board in the Burn Video. With his lower ball speed he is still going to get the ball to hook.

Then you have to consider all of the play on the lanes. Who knows when these video where shot. Considering it's the same guys they could have shot these video's when the last one's where filmed. Believe they said the lanes got a alot of play.

[tyketto]

Originally Posted by idlehourlegend

Example A of why I hate house shots. People never have to learn how to move, all they do is switch balls and play the same shot. You say that you dont need 10-15 boards of hook, but what if you got on a heavier shot that made you not be able to play in your "comfort zone"? Or, what if you got on a shot that was very short and dry, around 35ft or so with lower volumes and you had to play a swing?

This is what tyketto was trying to say I believe. If you plan on bowling tournaments, any PBA X leagues or harder patterns, your definately going to need a ball that hooks more than 5 boards.

This is EXACTLY what I am trying to say. There is nothing stopping any league or any house from laying down a shot that a given bowler is not comfortable with. When they get that shot, they struggle, don't want to move out of their comfort zone, and either thing to put more into it, or change balls and do more of the same. Honestly, it shows a complete lack of versatility in one's game. This goes back to that thread about having that 'B' game.

Honestly, I throw more of Jeff's speed and revs. I can still swing it, but I can control that (based off of what the lane tells me/how much oil is on the lane) by moving right, and if I need to, square up. That's what gets me up the boards instead of swinging out to them. I still laugh in my head when people see that I can throw a Complete NV or Total NV straight up 8 on one frame, and then swing from 13 out to 5 the next frame. You need that versatility in today's game (read: the mental game) instead of letting the ball do everything for you.

I'm not saying that you should do exactly what I do, but create your own versatility in the game, and be able to use it with every ball you have. Makes you a well rounded bowler.

Originally Posted by HammerHead1987

So before you come out here and sound like a pompous a$$, maybe you should make sure you understand fully what you have read. Not in the mood today to deal with people like you.

Then you really may not want to come off slagging a company's equipment on their own forums, no? That isn't cool, regardless of your mood. Like I said, just because it isn't for you, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be beneficial to anyone else.

BL.

[Rowdy]

Originally Posted by TenPinSniper

Then you have to consider all of the play on the lanes. Who knows when these video where shot. Considering it's the same guys they could have shot these video's when the last one's where filmed. Believe they said the lanes got a alot of play.

Every video lately has been shot on those two lanes. And I'll lay cash money they have a ton of practice time going on before they light up the camera. They'd better know where the line is by then.

[Rowdy]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead1987

I did not imply anything. If you look at Zach bowl he has to swing it. For people like me, straight up 10, we want to see a demo of that. The one bowler they have that can do it they don't allow him. That just turned me off of the ball.

X's 2.

Wonder what his shot would have looked like with a polished Jacked???

I kept waiting for one to show up in the video,like they did for the Acid.

[tyketto]

In looking at the news archive, Bubba, where there be a fair chance that Hammer will have a drawing for this? The only pattern I'm seeing (and it points to no) is that the past 3 drawings have been done on new product lines altogether. With the Raw line already existing, would there be any chance they'd start a drawing for it?

BL.

[Rowdy]

Originally Posted by Hammerhead1987

Why do these threads on new balls ALWAYS end up with one guy having to defend himself for his OPINION! The colors are ugly, my opinion, that is not bashing the company. I simply do not like the colors, am I the only one? Probably not. I don't care how they make the videos, but there is more than 1 style. All of them had a big hook on the ball, what about us that don't?

Hey,I hated the colors on the entire Sauce line. One reason why I didn't go for the ball.

I'd prefer a one color ball if for no other reason that it makes it easier to see where the ball is tracking. I have heard one guy bitch about this with his Jigsaw. He's in his late 50's and it's really hard for him to pick out the track area without his reading glasses on.

I'd also like to see those guys tell us what the pattern exactly is and how long they were rolling on it before the camera got turned on.